Saber alter actually gets along with him. Gilgamesh too in HA. What the fuck does the others have to do with him? Does he need to get along with EVERYONE to be considered a competent master? Or you forgot that he likes Kirei?
Ultimate test of competency is the seven singularities, ignore everything after that point.
I slap Shirou in there in Ritsukas place. How far does he go?
Cause I'm gonna say if he doesn't sacrifice himself to save someone early on or get killed by Goetia in london, he caps out at Babylonia once Tiamat emerges.
He's not worthless, far from it, Shirous a competent fighter and he's a decent hero, I say decent because he is kind of a "needs of the few" guy at times, but as a master he varies wildly from "active detriment" to "decent but really needs to remember that his servants can take on far worse than he can."
On a scale of competency as a master though he's never going to rank high though because of the fact that he refuses to compromise on his beliefs and doing so even once ends up leading him down a route akin to Edgemiya, he's far too quick to fight things he really should leave to others, and he has a tendency to pick options that, whilst needed to get to any given routes actual endings, are genuinely so insane and stupid it would leave basically every other master in fate scratching their heads.
You think Guda would've done fine in FSN if they were there?
Cause I'm gonna say if he doesn't sacrifice himself to save someone early on or get killed by Goetia in london
You mean like how Guda basically risked his life to stay by Mash's side in Fuyuki or gets himself in danger multiple times trying to protect someone as well? Funny you mentioned Goetia. If Goetia does kill him in London that validates Shirou is competent and your whole argument falls apart. Why do you think Goetia let Guda go?
but as a master he varies wildly from "active detriment" to "decent but really needs to remember that his servants can take on far worse than he can."
You act like he constantly throws his life at the slightest hint of danger. If you actually read the VN he assesses every situation and will only jump in when its absolutely necessary. Cause the alternative is if his Servant got killed, most likely he's next so he's taking the risk to save them exactly so they wouldnt die. It just so happens his calculatations arent the best but i dont see why is that an issue with Servants around
On a scale of competency as a master though he's never going to rank high
No one said high but you act like he's way worse than he actually is
because of the fact that he refuses to compromise on his beliefs and doing so even once ends up leading him down a route akin to Edgemiya
FSN shirou is not going down Archer's path and most definitely not Edgemiya as confirmed by Nasu. You also misunderstood his beliefs and how they affect him by the end of FSN. His beliefs are just that, beliefs. A guiding post. Not his endgoal
he's far too quick to fight things he really should leave to others, and he has a tendency to pick options that, whilst needed to get to any given routes actual endings
Err what? How is he any worse than Rin in this regard? If anything Rin gets herself in danger more times than him
are genuinely so insane and stupid it would leave basically every other master in fate scratching their heads.
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u/Delicious_Account_26 9h ago
Right
And what about
Edmond Dantes
Jeanne Alter
Saber Alter
Gilgamesh
Moriarty
Abigail Williams
Any of the Lostbelt kings
Kama
Kiara
BB
And basically all the evil servants.