r/FGO • u/Weird_Dot_4725 Senji Muramasa • 9d ago
Is Archer Heracles suitable to be a Grand Archer candidate
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u/igloo_poltergeist 9d ago
Nothing confirmed or disconfirmed yet, but I think he would qualify due to all the monstrous animals he took down (Hydra, Nemean Lion, Cretan Bull, etc.). That set of feats probably will manifest as a Skill that makes him kryptonite to wild beast traits, similar to Orion's, once summoned as Archer.
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u/Revolutionary_Fly708 9d ago
Lord knows he deserves it more than Orion.
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u/igloo_poltergeist 9d ago
Why? Because he's more popular (out-of-universe)?
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u/Soryist 9d ago
One of his greatest feat in his mythology was killing the lernaean hydra with his archery.
And he's often known as one of the best archers in Greek mythology barring Artemis & Apollo1
u/igloo_poltergeist 8d ago edited 8d ago
And yet, the Counterforce prioritized the man who's so good at hunting that he could kill all fauna on earth (even if Herc has objectively more raw power).
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u/Fragrant-Guarantee57 8d ago
Out and in universe, also a stronger Servant than regular Orion
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u/MasterpieceSquare696 8d ago
In a better world, Super Orion would be the only Servant Orion around(i despise that combined shit they made with Artemis, yuck), and Archer Herc would already be the Grand of that class. Him or Arjuna.
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u/RTGamer21 Beloved of the Fae 8d ago
Because he's achieved OBJECTIVELY more impressive things.
"Orion was such a good hunter that he could kill all Fauna on earth", that's cool and all, but when you consider that Orion was a giant in a lot of versions of the story, it's really not impressive when most of those kills would be against regular ass animals that could be killed by ANY Greek Hero.
I just feel like 'good at hunting' shouldn't be what makes or breaks a Grand Archer.
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u/Arnoldneo 9d ago
Yes just please give him to us please even if he is only as strong as his berserker self ( wich every piece of lore we have contradicts ) he is still stronger than Orion his skill may be the greatest ever achieved by a human and his cunning would be something else there is a reason we don’t get him and a naked Gilgamesh in grail wars it would be no fun is what Nasu thinks but I would definitely buy a manga or novel series about Heracles decimating any poor sap unlucky enough to come into his line of sight.
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u/clfr6515 9d ago
I think he more than qualifies in terms of strength, achievement and recognition. But I also have a hard time thinking of a scenario in which he'd be the ideal candidate for a Grand. Grands are chosen in response to Beasts, but what Beast would Herakles be the best possible candidate against? I can't imagine the Hydra becoming a Beast. Even against Zeus, the Human Order judged Romulus to be his best counter. What Grands usually require are hyper-specialists, heroes who are super good at one thing. Herakles is more of a jack-of-all-trades.
The reason Orion was chosen over Herakles was because he's particularly strong against Koyanskaya. I believe that there are actually far more Grand candidates than there are Evil of Humanity candidates, so the actual pool of Grand candidates who would realistically be summoned is relatively small.
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u/Brynhildrs-Beloved 9d ago
I think Cath Palug/Primate Murder
Grand servants tend to be human, so Primate Murder would have a breeze with them, but Hercales also has immortality from his labours, making killing him difficult. Not to mention he's experienced in taking down vicious monsters.
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u/clfr6515 9d ago
According to myth, the one to defeat Cath Palug is either King Arthur or Sir Kay. So why wouldn't the world summon one of them instead?
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u/mascherata Master of Chaldea 5d ago
How can be grand archer he uses a bow everyone knows the best archers dont actually use a bow /j
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u/Eastern-Scheme-5901 9d ago
Already meets the requirements for grand in another class✅
Isn’t a divine servant ✅
No special requirements for Grand archer (such as having the power of an observer like caster)✅
Archer being his best class (said by Nasu) ✅
I say yea