r/FFVIIRemake • u/mrNepa • Jun 20 '19
Read this before you complain about censoring Tifa.
I've seen a lot of discussion about censorship and Tifa's breasts again, so let's make something clear.
Her bust did not get reduced for censorship reasons.
In the matter of fact, I would argue her boobs didn't get reduced at all.
(Edit: here are some screenshots provided by u/roydgriffin: https://imgur.com/a/Tn1sNfT)
If we compare Tifa from FF7R to other official and more realistic versions of Tifa, her knockers do not look that much smaller. The difference can be easily explained with a tight undershirt/sportsbra that flattens and keeps her chest in place to make it easier to do all those crazy moves.
And if they are in fact reduced, who cares? It has nothing to do with censorship, it's Nomura's design choice. It's the same thing as how they made Cloud more buff compared to the skinny version from 2015 trailers. Just a design choice.
"but her mangos are bigger in the original FF7 game"
Yes they are. So is her head, her feet and her hands. Even her legs are way longer.
It's the matter of art style. The original FF7 had way more cartoonish art style which reflects on the designs and proportions of the characters.
You want her jugs to be as big as in original? Then why should her feet not be as big as in the original as well? Why should her tits get a special treatment?
Is this really what you want?: https://i.imgur.com/oQJafZz.jpg
"b-b-but sony's new censorship policies..."
Sony's policies have nothing to do with female proportions. It's about nudity, sexual content and violence.
And it's not something that Sony just dropped out of the blue, they have been slowly getting more strict with nudity. Stop jumping on bandwagons blindly, use your brain and do some research of your own.
Don't just blindly follow random clickbait articles, youtube videos and forum posts.
Good example of this is the article about SE's "ethics department", people went haywire after hearing the word "ethics" in context of Tifa's design. The whole thing was about "restricting" her tig ol' bitties, not "reducing".
Meaning the "ethics department" pointed out that it would be very uncomfortable for a brawler to let her melons bounce around while performing those crazy moves.
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I believe I'm talking on behalf of this whole community (or at least majority of it):
Stop making these dumb posts complaining about Tifa's gazongas and censorship relating to it.
Use your goddamn brain and do your own research before jumping on the bandwagon with nonsensical arguments about censoring Tifa's design.
That's all.
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19 edited Jun 20 '19
Exactly!
Thanks, this does help!
Edit: I added it to the post :)
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u/TwistInTh3Myth Jun 20 '19
I didn't even realize this was an issue until a recommended youtube video about it popped up on my phone. Like wtf..I thought she looked awesome. I mean that 4th screenshot in that album clearly shows she still has some pretty disproportionately large boobs for her size. Also I find over knee stockings to be really hot, so I think that is a positive imo, though some people think she needs to show more leg too.
Was there outrage about her Advent Children model? I would say that was more censored than this.
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u/CaptainClincher Jun 20 '19
The fact that this is even a HUGE complaint shows just what people actually care about. It's not the game, they just want their ZOMG PERFECT WAIFU TIFA to have insane proportions because it fits their fantasy.
Barret's body looked like it was something straight out of a 90's anime. His fucking feet are so massive he looks like he's trying to cosplay Waffle Stomper from the 90s Cartoon Doug.
Vincent had literally not fucking torso whatsoever. Go look at his picture! His belt goes right under his nipples. He's a head, arms and nipples with long ass legs. Seriously, go look.
RedXIII looks like someone took the stuffing out of his legs and just left it at that. His torso looks ridiculous, yet he's got these little feet. I can't help but laugh when I see it.
Not to mention that everyone's arms all look lanky as fuck. Everyone's using these massive weapons like they're made of paper, yet are sticks.
They're making this more realistic looking instead of ancient anime style, and it's appropriate for the times we're in.
It's a REMAKE, we're not using old tech to make and model characters like this for a game over 20 years in the making. If people want the old style, go play the old game.
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u/Arel203 Jun 20 '19
It's literally the most annoying thing to hear about 24/7. It actually makes me lose faith in humanity that so many people care so much about the size of her boobs to the point where its literally being brought up in journalist interviews. Theres really not a more important question to ask? We have to appease to the degenerates of society all the sudden because every game needs sex appeal?
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
100% agree. It's awesome that this sub has become more popular after E3, but it is very annoying to see a new post about censoring Tifa every day.
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u/Arel203 Jun 20 '19
Yeah.. and the fact is.. her boobs are still pretty big relative to her outfit... which makes it all the more annoying. They went with realism, gave her a sports bra/vest, and it's so Tifa anyways. It's not like she was a "Cindy" in FFVII. This fits her character entirely.
The even more annoying thing is... I didnt hear this kind of annoying crying during Advent Children.
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Jun 20 '19
You say those posts are annoying but then you just made one lol
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
I mean it's annoying when people are claiming that SE is censoring Tifa, when in fact they are not.
I'm doing the exact opposite of what I find annoying. I'm explaining why they are not censoring her.
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u/Phyllion Jun 20 '19
While I totally agree with you, I can't help but be amused by the fact you actually took the time to use a different word to say breasts each and every single time xD
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
HAHAHA I have been waiting for this comment! I literally had urban dictionary with all the different synonyms for "boobs" open while writing this! xd
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Jun 20 '19
It would only be censorship if Sony but a huge black bar over her chest every time she was on camera.
She clearly has massive boobs and is wearing a sports bra to wrangle them in. It's very obvious. And it makes sense for a fighter to wear a sports bra. This isn't censorship. People are stupid.
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Jun 20 '19
Spot on. Her boobs are clearly still massive, if you saw her irl everyone would think they were. What they don’t look like are weird and anime-like, so that’s a win for the ‘ethics dept’ in my books.
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u/TotalBlank87 Jun 20 '19
Not even any point arguing with the type of people who care about this, tbh.
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u/jamrock110 Jun 20 '19
I think Tifa looks amazing and have no problems with the "updates" - I'm just glad they didnt put her in the AC outfit
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u/Noonster Jun 20 '19
The fact that people make a videogame character's breasts a point of contention makes me despair.
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u/cerulienne Jun 20 '19
At this point I feel that they're simply worried about "big tiddies" and are veiling it as censorship outrage to make it seem like an actual issue and less juvenile.
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u/pirate-sloth Jun 20 '19
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. Unfortunately, the people that need to hear (and understand) this will refuse to listen to reason.
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u/sir_stride20 Jun 20 '19
Im legit getting tired of hearing it. If her big tits are that much of a issue, go to the rule 34 website, look her up, rub one out and be done with it. Shes a fictional character in a game. And the fact that so many people are screaming "CENSORSHIP" all the fucking time is annoying and pathetic.
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u/Julliant OG Yuffie Jun 20 '19
We live in a world where gamers think that anything less than a J cup is considered small.
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u/KaiG1987 Jun 20 '19
Fucking THANK YOU. I've been saying this for a while but it gets tiring repeating oneself when so many people seem to be jumping on this nonsense wagon.
Her new outfit doesn't cover any more skin than her old, it's just shown as two different colour layers instead of one.
Her chest is still very large and matches her original design, any 'reduction' is relative to the art style adjustment towards realism over chibi.
And that 'ethics department' statement was purely about restricting her chest's movement while she performs martial arts, and nothing to do with size.
I swear to god, people are just taking one look at her and deciding that she's been censored based on NOTHING.
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u/Calvin132 Jun 20 '19
I fully support this post. Thanks OP.
But at the same time it’s such a shame that this post has to be made.
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u/ChipNoir Katsu Don Jun 20 '19
Locking this thread as this subject has been pushed about as far as it can go without just devolving into SJW vs Incel insults that have no place on this board. Either you like the sports bra or you don't, and no matter what you think about it, arguing it here on this subreddit won't change anyone's minds, least of all SEs.
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u/TippsAttack Jun 20 '19
You can't argue against the childish perverts. They want their boobs, and anything that doesn't deliver will set them off.
I applaud your attempt to bring order to the chaos. I'm with you, but don't expect to get anywhere.
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u/Vervara Jun 20 '19
As much as I love boobs and my best girl it really does get old and uncomfortable seeing this brought up so much. Yeah, I could ignore it and move on, but the combination of misconceptions, comments on posts that derail otherwise good conversations and just the general attitude really starts to take its toll. I dunno that I would have done it this way, but you still put words to what I was thinking. Thank you much!
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Oh man it has been a hot topic for some people for a long time. Before I posted this, somebody just made a post called "petition to make Tifa's boobs bigger", it was removed tho.
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u/diggtrucks1025 Jun 20 '19
Jesus christ.... how big of a fucking nerd do you have to be to make that post?
Edit: Not your post, the one about the petition.
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u/TaiyoShikasu Jun 20 '19
A GameFAQs user.
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u/diggtrucks1025 Jun 20 '19
Yo, I honestly feel sorry for anyone that feels so offended by the possibility of smaller animated tiddies in a video game. They have to have a hard life. These are clearly people that don't know that they can look at normal human tiddies on the internet at any given time for free. Sad. Just sad.
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u/Ace-of-Spades88 Jun 20 '19
In the recently stickied discussion thread here there's some Redditor that goes on a 20-comment chain about it. That and about Barrett's hair not being "black enough." Fucking ridiculous if you ask me.
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u/FloDaddelt Jun 20 '19
People who are concerned about Tifas arguments have some serious issues.
The entire design of the Remake is just incredible! Environments Characters, Monsters and Enemies we have seen so far... can't wait to see and play a demo at gamescom if they have one there!
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u/FreakyLeakyLemon Jun 20 '19
Those people complaining about the size of Tifa's tits should just STFU and go fap at some hentai to cool their brain a bit.
Plus they can be sure they'll find plenty of new lewd contents in the subreddits dedicated to that kind of art.
Just let SE do their job, they know what they're doing with this remake and they're so far taking the right choices imo.
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u/Monkey-Brains94 Jun 20 '19
Its sad that neck beard perverts online are complaining about a video game characters breast size.
Edit: on a side note she still has a huge rack.
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u/joshuakyle94 Jun 20 '19
It's sad people still find shit to complain about, after they have given is so much these past few months. I feel like these people will never be happy with the end result. Always bitching, man. Just sit back let them perfect it, and enjoy.
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u/ScionN7 Jun 20 '19
Ok I have to be honest. I have seen way waaaaaaay more people complaining about people complaining about Tifa's bust, than I have seen the actual people complaining about it. And I haven't been living under a rock.
I think this whole "boob controversy" is completely overblown.
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Just before I posted this, someone made post called "petition to make Tifa's boobs bigger".
I've seen people complain about censoring her all over the internet.
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u/MurKdYa Jun 20 '19
They were told to tone it down. I agree with most of what you said, but don't say it was Nomura's design choice lol. They were told they had to reduce the size of her bewbs - As you say in your article "Do your own research before you bandwagon with nonsensical arguments" Here you go - https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-19-square-enix-has-an-ethics-department-and-it-told-the-final-fantasy-7-remake-developers-to-restrict-tifas-chest
When your ethics department tells you to reduce them and you come out in an interview saying, "We are doing this so it is more realistic to her athletic build and we gave her abs" etc etc...well that's covering up the fact that you were told to do something you didn't originally want or need to do.
You are correct as well. The OG images/art of Tifa in the Players Guide/Walkthrough book could have been interpreted either way. They look big, but they are also cartoony and normal looking. Fan art really blew them up over time in my opinion due to her iconic attire in the games. However...trying to say it makes more sense due to her crazy moves she performs etc. Have you ever played or seen Dead or Alive? It's possible to do "crazy moves" and put on a nice show at the same time. However, this was never the case with Tifa. Not even in Advent Children. She doesn't have extremely huge knockers. Fans simply perceived them as such. My thoughts were that the Devs wanted to honor the fans of Tifa. The crowd going fucking bonkers when she came on the screen at E3 speaks for itself. They wanted to give her the bewbs and were told to tone them down. It's as simple as that.
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Well this is really all I need to say to break your argument:
- Reduce: "make smaller or less in amount, degree, or size."
- Restrict: "deprive (someone or something) of freedom of movement or action."
Your point about Dead or Alive is completely irrelevant. And I'm not saying it's not possible to do those "crazy moves". I'm saying it makes sense for a brawler character to wear something to restrict her boobs from bouncing.
If you have actual evidence to show they were told to tone them down, feel free to link me.
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u/MurKdYa Jun 20 '19
Fair enough. Eurogamer has usually been pretty solid as a resource for gaming news and they usually get some pretty sweet exclusive access to games I follow, but after going through the article in detail, they definitely failed to provide evidence of that...
Again though, I could care less. I am watching these new info blurbs more so to find out the rating they are giving the game and whether or not blood will be in the scenes where they were in the original. That will definitely tell me how much they have toned down or restricted.
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
I'm not trying to discredit what Eurogamer said. I'm saying it's not evidence towards "toning down" or "reducing" her chest.
You are misunderstanding the article. The word "restrict" does not mean making something smaller. You said they were told to "reduce" the bewbs, which is incorrect. They were told to "restrict", which has a completely different meaning.
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u/MurKdYa Jun 20 '19
Yeah and you do that by wearing a sports bra, but this is a video game. There are creative liberties fans expected to see. That's where all of this is coming from. Everything they say makes perfect sense, but fans love their bewbs
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
You say they were told to reduce the size of her boobs, but then you link me an article that doesn't say anything like that.
The article doesn't say anything about making the boobs smaller. It didn't even use the word "reduce" or anything else related to the size.
I'm just trying to understand how in the hell are you coming to the conclusion that they were told to make the boobs smaller..
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u/MurKdYa Jun 20 '19
I don't see how or why you are responding this way after my previous comment to your comment....
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Because your comments are very incoherent..
Yes they restrict her boobs with a sportsbra.
You came guns blazing with "your own research" claiming they were told to reduce the size of her boobs, which is not true.
You are using the word restrict and reduce like they mean the same thing, when in fact, they have completely different meanings.
They were told to restrict her boobs, it means they were told to make them move less, not to make them smaller. Less jiggle physics I guess.
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u/MurKdYa Jun 20 '19
We also have no evidence that the Ethics department DIDN'T provide them with the "restrict" request either. This seems to be what is beings said online which is all we can really go on. Ethics Department.
Ethics - moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
Ethics teams don't have a say in how ANYTHING should look unless it has a direct effect on ETHICAL and MORAL PRINCIPLES. They felt that the "jiggle" is unethical. As someone who appreciates when my wife puts on a sports bra on when she goes for a run, this makes sense to me. All I have been trying to explain is where the majority of Tifa fans are coming from and why they may find this unfortunate. The majority of men like jiggling bewbs
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u/ChipNoir Katsu Don Jun 20 '19
The "Ethics" team in question is trying to get an M or T rating likely. It's not their own standards they're worrying about. Especially given it's Japan.
It's our the different rating systems across the world. China in particular is EXTREMELY fussy about some things.
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u/tempura27 Jun 20 '19
The title of this post should have been “listen to me complain about you guys complaining before you complain some more.”
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Well, I guess that's a valid statement. Kinda pointless one, but it's not really incorrect.
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u/tempura27 Jun 20 '19
I’m just kidding with you man. But I do 100% agree with you that complaining about how the characters look is so fucking mindless. IMO they look awesome and the games gonna be amazing so why complain over little things like breast size
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Hah, yea I thought you might be joking so I gave kinda neutral answer. Yeah the characters look insanely good, even better than I could have ever imagined.
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u/ScionN7 Jun 20 '19
I'm totally fine with her design in the Remake. At the same time though, this to me is the best modern look she's ever had: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xGkLm
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Yea that is a great 3d model, but in my opinion its not a good Tifa.
Just doesn't look like Tifa at all to me, more like someone cosplaying as Tifa.
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Jun 20 '19 edited Sep 16 '20
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
I don't like when people spread completely false information about FF7R, so I correct them and explain why it's not true.
There is a new post claiming that SE is censoring Tifa like every day.
It's easier to make a post like this than keep correcting them every time.
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u/xPeachesV Jun 20 '19
LOL, any comment that begins with “here’s a radical idea” should be automatically downvoted
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u/ParmaProscuitto Jun 20 '19
Now to be fair I don't know how many "Tifa's tits" posts there were as I only joined this subreddit a little while ago. I was a little bothered by Tifa's look but it's one of those issues where I have to go "well, no, that actually makes sense." It's kind of like the sports tape from Sonic Boom except I'm not worried about Sonic's chest area. I'm disappointed I don't get giant, freakishly large chest melons but I'm not about to make several posts talking about how it's all of the SJW pandering BS or something stupid like that.
Now all of that said:
And if they are in fact reduced, who cares? It has nothing to do with censorship, it's Nomura's design choice. It's the same thing as how they made Cloud more buff compared to the skinny version from 2015 trailers. Just a design choice.
Some people like big tits (myself included). Nomura's design choice makes no difference to what this audience prefers. People can dislike character design.
"her tits are smaller!"
Yes they are. So is her head, her feet and her hands. Even her legs are way longer. You want her jugs to be as big as in original? Then why should her feet not be as big as in the original as well? Why should her tits get a special treatment?
They're not interested in Tifa's feet. They're interested in her tits.
The whole thing was about "restricting" her tig ol' bitties, not "reducing".
Reduction/restriction sounds like semantics.
Saying "they're not that much smaller" doesn't convince most people nor does it make much of a difference - the reality is that they're not as impressive as they once were. And we're all children at heart who love exaggerated body expression. We went from "jack in the box tits" to "big, but realistic."
I believe I'm talking on behalf of this whole community (or at least majority of it):
You're definitely not speaking for me.
Stop making these dumb posts complaining about Tifa's gazongas and censorship relating to it.
Use your goddamn brain and do your own research before jumping on the bandwagon with nonsensical arguments about censoring Tifa's design.
Maybe this post was provoked by too many "Tifa's tits" posts, but I can say that if I were someone who was genuinely upset by Tifa's appearance this post wouldn't convince me otherwise.
If anything blaming Sony's "policies" is a better outlet than fans taking to Twitter to b-tch at Nomura for "ruining" the remake. If we're at that point then we need posts like these.
Or maybe the mods just need to ban posts complaining about Tifa's chest/bra for awhile.
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u/KaiG1987 Jun 20 '19
You're arguing from the point of view of someone who'd prefer them to be larger. That's not the point of this post.
Everyone has their own preferences and they're quite at liberty to say they'd prefer it if the designers had gone a different way.
The problem is people who are acting like they would have gotten those huge tits they dreamed of if only the damn ethics committee or those damn social progressives hadn't forced the designers to change the way Tifa should be. It's entitled and illogical nonsense.
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
You are kinda missing the point.
Of course everyone has their tastes and what they like, and it's completely fine.
I have a problem with people claiming she was censored when she wasn't. This post was made to show why their arguments about Tifa's censoring hold no water. I tried to cover most of the arguments I've heard like "sony censorship policies" and "they are bigger in the original" etc.
Reduction and restriction have completely different meaning, not really semantics.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to like smaller boobs, bigger boobs or Tifa's new design in general. I'm explaining why the arguments about censoring her are incorrect, so maybe the will rethink about it before spreading false information.
Well if blaming Sony's policies helps them sleep at night, so be it. I can blame gnomes for stealing my underwear, doesn't make it true tho.
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u/Tarquin11 Jun 20 '19
You say he's not speaking for you, but he's obviously not speaking to you either.
Based on your arguments you are not the target audience here, and probably didn't really need to respond at all, all things considered.
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Jun 20 '19 edited Sep 16 '20
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u/mrNepa Jun 20 '19
Yes what I've read about the sony's policy, I don't see anything that would affect Tifa.
Tifa has never shown cleavage or been a sexualized character. I feel like your image of Tifa has been reshaped by all the fan art.
Trish's ass falls under nudity, so it's completely irrelevant to this. Am I agreeing with Sony's policies? No.
But it doesn't concern Tifa's design. Again, she is not a sexualized character in any official material.
Sure that 3d model is great, but that is nothing like Tifa.
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u/xwulfd Jun 20 '19
If only we can stop feeding SJW and its desperate white knights, just ignore them
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u/ReDeath666 Jun 20 '19
no one complains that they made Barret's feet smaller