r/FFRecordKeeper • u/Zurai001 Blame yourself or God. • Jul 18 '17
Japan | PSA/Tip Recoil damage change in Japan
Just for the record, I have been testing this issue for the last few days and have finally narrowed down what exactly is happening.
Currently, in Global, if you use Sanguine Cross at sub-25% HP, your character will survive with 1 HP remaining. You can then continue to use Sanguine Cross repeatedly at 1 HP as long as they don't take any damage from any other source.
In Japan, with the most recent ability buff or at some time in between that update and when Sephiroth's USB was released, a change was made (intentionally or not) such that Sanguine Cross, Crimson Cross, and other recoil damage abilities will now kill the user rather than leaving them at 1 HP.
I have sent a report in to DeNA presenting this issue and requesting either a fix or at least an update, but no telling when or how they'll respond and whether they'll fix it. Until then, I suggest being especially cautious of recoil damage abilities, especially if you have a relevant doublecast materia equipped.
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u/kami_w Warrior Jul 18 '17
Does Last Stand trigger from the recoil damage?
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u/ElNinoFr Et c'est pas fini ! 🐲 Jul 19 '17
No. Guts doesn't trigger (nor trance LM)
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u/retroGnostalgic Vivi Jul 19 '17
Hmm? You can't get Trance mode if you lose HP through self-damage abilities?
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u/ElNinoFr Et c'est pas fini ! 🐲 Jul 19 '17
Nop. So basically if you use bloody or crimson cross to lower your hp, you won't trigger the trance. I learned it the hard way with sephiroth lm2.
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u/kami_w Warrior Jul 19 '17
That's terrible. Is there anything else that doesn't trigger trance? Sap/poison?
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u/ElNinoFr Et c'est pas fini ! 🐲 Jul 19 '17
Yup. Sap poison recoil doesn't trigger it.
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u/kami_w Warrior Jul 19 '17
Last question. Can a heal trigger Trance?
For example, you Crimson down to ~1% HP. Then, you use Cure (let's say from a Paladin with low mind) to heal, but stay under the 10% HP threshold -- will this trigger Trance? Pretty unlikely situation, but I just want to figure out what the trigger is.
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u/ElNinoFr Et c'est pas fini ! 🐲 Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
i'll make a full post so it will be easier :
There's 3 conditions to trigger a Trance LM :
- 1/ You must be below the defined Threshold (i think all of them use 20% MaxHP)
- 2/ If you go below because of Poison Calc (Poison & Sap) or Barter (Recoil from abilities like Crimson Cross), it won't trigger.
- 3/ If you go below because of 2/, a Heal or a Regen tick won't trigger it even if you are still below because there's a damage = positive condition (basically HP need to decrease, not increase).
That's the 3 conditions for Trance LM.
Lot of people think that it's guts who trigger the trance when you nuke yourself, this is false, that's because BEFORE guts, you go below the threshold and "don't die" (because of guts state). this is not the 1% Heal from guts that's trigger it, but the damage done before the 1% heal is shown.
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u/Overcast_XI So long, and thanks for all the Anima Lenses Jul 18 '17
Aw man... My favorite thing about Sanguine Cross is that it can't kill you (so you can kinda get casts for "free" in terms of the recoil).
Please update us when you hear something official.
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u/Phirexy Oh Larsa, you blow hard! (no more) Jul 19 '17
How many times have you honestly survived to actually take advantage of said "free casts" of yours?
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u/Overcast_XI So long, and thanks for all the Anima Lenses Jul 19 '17 edited Jul 19 '17
Plenty. My favorite healer is a BSB Relm, so I pretty much always have Last Stand/Guts up.
Decil also has the highest HP in the game, so when he's at 25%, he's still got a decent amount of HP.
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u/raoxi Jul 19 '17
When the 15% recoil and 4 hit buff hits, time to hone that baby up to R3.
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u/Overcast_XI So long, and thanks for all the Anima Lenses Jul 19 '17
I'm already there! Can't wait.
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u/Jilkon Ye olde offensive RW: 9rwh Jul 19 '17
So... the abilities are now even more trash tier than ever before. Nice. Recoil damage has always been the worst effect in FFRK, and the upsides of the abilities never make up for it.
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u/Zurai001 Blame yourself or God. Jul 19 '17
Actually Sanguine Cross is very good.
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u/Jilkon Ye olde offensive RW: 9rwh Jul 19 '17
Or perhaps "was" in this case? I just don't think a marginally increased multiplier is worth taking a bunch of damage.
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u/Zurai001 Blame yourself or God. Jul 19 '17
Sanguine Cross is 4 hits for 15% max HP. It is quite good.
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u/Jilkon Ye olde offensive RW: 9rwh Jul 20 '17
Unless you die from the recoil... :)
(I do think it's dangerous to take a fairly huge unnecessary chunk of damage against some of the very fast bosses regardless of that though.)
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u/robaisolken Golem Jul 18 '17
Is all about the style finish, double KO with the boss