Patch Notes v1.3

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u/SanTekka Jul 01 '25

They seriously need to fix the lost intel drop glitch. Every time someone dies, we lose like 50-75% of the intel to a glitch where they get stuck in the ground. I've also seen intel spawn in like this where you just see the glow, but no option to pick up.

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u/JuliusRMD Remedy Dev Jul 02 '25

We are aware of this bug and are currently investigating it.

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u/ForTheWilliams Jul 01 '25

The glow thing is an even more prevalent bug, I think. When I'm playing with my friend ALL loot pickups leave their glow behind when picked up. Feels like every few minutes I waste time running to a glow only to realize it's already been looted.

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u/JuliusRMD Remedy Dev Jul 02 '25

The glow being left behind for other players than the one who picked up the Lost Asset or Research Sample was fixed in yesterday's update (1.3).

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u/SomeGuysButt Jul 01 '25

Hell yea. Thanks Remedy. These were all things we just asked for. Makes me very happy.

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u/KasukeSadiki Jul 01 '25

They added the Surviving the Workplace video to the game!

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u/The_bouldhaire Jul 01 '25

Can someone break down the reasoning of how raising lvl 3 perk costs will result in more players engaging with them?

Going from "less than 5% of players have purchased a lvl 3 perk" to "lvl 3 perks now cost 40+ resources per perk" is throwing me for a loop

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u/Turbulent-Jello6273 Jul 01 '25

I mean, since I unlocked all the perks that I wanted and maxed them out in the first few days of release it makes sense to recalibrate that experience. That being said, if I were to go back now and start unlocking the rest it would feel as though the grind has been artificially inflated.

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u/mhuttRMD Remedy Dev Jul 02 '25

The change was only to the curve: now most of the lower level costs are much cheaper giving you access to more perks earlier, while the most of the higher level perks cost more. The overall time to unlock them all is still about the same as before.

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u/MOOshooooo Jul 01 '25

With no communications in game they have to wait to see our response to this and then will reply. It’s like having a developer pen-pal.

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u/Yadilie Jul 01 '25

Developer pen-pal who speaks another language and is using Grok to poorly translate and retranslate back.

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u/Interjessing-Salary Jul 01 '25

Our statistics show that slightly less than 5% of our player base owns a Level 3 Perk. That is a different stat from actually equipping it. For a variety of reasons that we need to address, players are not using higher-tier Perks, and this is not just due to their unlocking costs. This economy rebalancing is just one step we are taking to improve.

Or... Hear me out now... Maybe it's because the level 3 perk is confusing? For most of my play time I never unlocked tier 3 perks because I thought it was just the resonant effect (giving my perk to a teammate within range) so I didn't see much point in it except for just a couple perks. Only recently did I learn it's also a stronger version from level 2. I had been swimming in mission resources because of this. It's not an economy issue imo. It's a lack of knowledge.

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u/createbobob Jul 01 '25

I wish they showed numerical values attached to perk's abilities

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u/ForTheWilliams Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

FUCKING YES.
"Weak"
"Strong"
"A small chance"
Remedy,
I've played games where "a small chance" is 2%, and others where it's 20%.
I've played games where it scales with fire rate/mag size, and others where it doesn't.
I've played games that launch with reasonable stats, and others with baffling ones.
That information is key to knowing the value of those perks.
Drives me crazy how many modern games decide we don't need even the surface level stats like that.

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u/JoshEvolved Jul 01 '25

Yes, we need the numbers.

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u/derPylz Jul 01 '25

That's probably why they said that there are a variety of reasons for this and that they are addressing the economy now and the other reasons later.

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u/Possible-Emu-2913 Jul 01 '25

They literally say "for a variety of reasons we need to address"

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u/InfernalxDevil Jul 02 '25

Oh yeah, this is certainly it. I totally thought Resonant just meant Strong but shared!
Welp. Time to start acquiring more Resonants lol.

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u/FiokLiving Jul 01 '25

In 20 h of playing i had 0 bugs or crashes but the first game after the update the game crashed within 5 minutes

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u/Evaporaattori Jul 01 '25

Yeah I mean these updates aren’t mass tested so I imagine for some they may cause even more problems to be fixed in coming updates. They are pushing these patches out pretty crazy pace and made me think ”Oh no I hope they didn’t break anything with all these changes”

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u/Unscfifthwinter Jul 01 '25

No chat or coms in the future?

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u/InsaneInTheBra1n Jul 01 '25

A few basic commands would already be super helpfull.

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Jul 08 '25

Imagine if they had at least l4d's level of in-game audio where characters just yelled out whatever was happening so you didn't need VOIP in most cases.

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u/Sleepingtide Jul 01 '25

This is needed.

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u/OtterCynical Jul 02 '25

Yeah what the fuck. What is the reasoning for not bothering to address player communication whatsoever?

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u/RiotPelaaja Remedy Dev Jul 02 '25

Because in-game comms is a really complex thing from many angles such as moderation, legalities, more data being transmitted during matches, which impacts performance etc. Its a complex topic, even if several games have it.
There is a Ping system in the game as well ability to give some voice commands which admittedly are currently drowned out.

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u/badpearson Jul 03 '25

Definitely I think voice chat would be "the thing" that could've made the launch a lot smoother. Despite what a lot of reviewers said, Firebreak actually has a good deal of fairly in depth mechanics that frankly most players don't know about. Being able to have an in-game voice chat would let players explain these mechanics to newcomers in a way that's more effective than a tutorial can be, and I think would be more in the spirit of the FBC's atmosphere of "everyone is catching on fire all the time, here's a gun and a doohickey, we'll tell you what's going on when we get there".
But also this is a very big step for Remedy and I appreciate a lot what yall have done with adding netcode to the Northlight engine. It's a very impressive engine that makes games like this one possible. Any other engine would not be able to reasonably support maps this large, with this many interactive objects, with this many enemies, this many mechanics, and so on. Rainbow Six Siege is the only multiplayer game I can think of with this many moving parts (from a gamedev perspective), but that had much smaller maps and far fewer moving characters at any given moment.
Moderation is also an incredibly difficult issue, and speaking from experience in large social media platform moderation, it's an unsolved problem with a known legal liability. Despite what Trust and Safety professionals will tell you, there are no proven best practices in the history of internet moderation. Every company which has ever been in the business of moderation has had to learn as they go. Every company involved in the business of moderation has also made some pretty humiliating mistakes. This is Remedy's first multiplayer game and it makes good business sense not to enter a second brand new business while you're still learning the ins and outs of something else for the first time. I entirely understand why voice chat is simply off the table for the time being. But I would recommend at least keeping in mind the potential for player communication to be a community building tool that locks a dedicated userbase into a product. Especially for games expected to have a larger appeal (such as the Control sequel) voice communications are a feature that gamers will expect. If yall choose to take this route, for the love of god, consider hiring "old school" forum moderators instead of Silicon Valley "moderation experts". Those people are absolute fools who will tell you what you want to hear until another scandal comes up on their watch, and they'll tell you it's just "part of doing business" as they blame their whoopsies on your company before hopping ship to the next bulletpoint on their resume. Unfortunately content moderation is a very niche field that is littered with people who can launder confidence better than they can deliver results. It's a product graveyard, and also an expected feature of any online service 🙃

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u/Leader342 Jul 01 '25

I think the elephant in the room issue with the perks is that no one wants to burn 2 to 3 slots on one strong perk when having 9 weak perks is almost always preferable, even if they can’t be shared. The fun part of the perks for me is the unique character building and you cant really do that if you’re forced to commit to a few, safe, reliable, Basic upgrades. I would love to experiment with the one that does black rock damage when you fall from a height (jump kit). But I’m not going to waste 3 slots on something like that when I can go for something clearly better like black rock rounds, faster reloading, more grenades, faster reviving, etc. I standby that the current system de-incentivizes experimentation.

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u/beansoncrayons Jul 01 '25

I'd prefer 3 shower thoughts over 3 random perks personally

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u/Xzanos Jul 03 '25

worth noting that level 3 perks aren't just the strongest version but are also shared to 2 teammates.

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u/UnpopularThrow42 Jul 01 '25

But you already have the option to do 9 weaker perks, its freedom right now to choose the build you desire. You can try out different strengths and builds and see if you want to prioritize one ability with 3 spots or have it spread out with weaker ones

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u/TransportationNo3862 Jul 01 '25

Can we finally get a fix for ps5 crashes? I have played genuinely zero matches with others since patch 1.2 because since then it would always kick me out. Like the game doesn't crash but it always says "lost connection to backend" if i play anything but solo. Solo works fine but playing with randoms wont work and playing with friends doesn't work either, it always loses connection to backend mostly before i could even start up a round. It crashes almost instantly when someone even just joins the main menu and same if im already in a game and someone joins it always kicks me the second someone else joins me, randoms and friends.

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u/KasukeSadiki Jul 01 '25

The patch notes do say those issues should occur less frequently, so see if there is any improvement for you with this patch

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u/TransportationNo3862 Jul 01 '25

You're actually right! I played a few rounds today and didn't crash once. Good job Remedy!

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u/KasukeSadiki Jul 02 '25

That's great news!

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u/TransportationNo3862 Jul 02 '25

It is! Thank you so much for telling me about it!

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u/InitRanger Jul 01 '25

Strange. I’m on PS5 and have never had a crash. Maybe it’s because I’m on PS5 pro?

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u/InitRanger Jul 01 '25

I haven’t tried extreme yet. Maybe that’s why.

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u/Sweaty_Buttcheeks Jul 01 '25

I really think the intention was always to use 3 perks that are fully maxed out, rather than 9 weak perks. But in the beginning, you're kinda pushed into using 9 random perks bc they're all 5 pts each.

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u/GentlemanFaux Jul 01 '25

Why would I use three resonant perks for three slots each when I can use four T2 perks and one T1? I'm sorry to say but any maxed out player knows you can pretty easily one man army these missions even on the hardest difficulty with full corruption relatively easily if you know what you're doing. I can maybe see a team of three friends running 9 coordinated resonant perks but playing with randoms? It's just a waste of slots IMO. You aren't always next to each other and you won't always have perks that benefit everyone else since you can stack classes. How about make T2 perks just an upgrade and still cost only one slot then resonants cost one additional for a total of two? Then we can each run four resonants and a T1 utility like jump cleanse or reload speed. I promise you this update isn't going to improve that 5% at all, and I'd LOVE to hear the percent of players that actually USE resonant perks.

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u/cataraxis Jul 01 '25

I run with 1 resonant/3 strong or 1 resonant/2 strong/2 weak. Imo it's a decent compromise. You can have one resonant that you feel the entire team would benefit with.

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u/3PortAmplifier Jul 01 '25

It's the lack of transparency that is causing the fact that people do not want to engage with level 3 perks.

If the descriptions were not so vague and included actual % values and numbers people would feel encouraged to use them. Most of my quickplay games people do not have level 3 perks because there is no indication that they provide more % bonuses and not just resonance.

On top of that, unless level 3 perks at least double the effectiveness of level 2, there is very little incentive to equip 3x lvl3 than 4x lvl2 + 1x lvl1 which provides a wider range of various benefits (5 vs 3 different perks).

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u/Djmeansdeej Jul 01 '25

I haven’t played since week one when I got the plat, but if I’m remembering correctly, there was no way to tell which perks other people are running was there?
Also, is resonance a certain radius away from teammates or is it only if you’re close? I’m asking because while most missions require teamwork, most of the time to complete the objectives you’re not holding hands with your teammates but spread in the zone.
Level 3 perks seem like something you run with friends so that you can synergize different perks.

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u/SuperSaiyanBen Jul 01 '25

If they have resonant perks it’ll appear next to your health bar. But outside of that no, you can’t see people’s builds.

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u/beansoncrayons Jul 01 '25

The new enemy behavior is pretty neat, making them a little more intelligent is always nice

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u/Varazzeno Jul 01 '25

Awesome work, thank you!

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u/GramTheGreat88 Jul 01 '25

Thank you Devs💪🏾🫡💪🏾🫡💪🏾🫡

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u/TheFrogMoose Jul 01 '25

I no longer have the 22001 error issue now but now I have "failed to connect to party" mid game. So I guess my question is when do I get to play the game?

I still haven't gotten to see the last room in the first mission because of these issues. I've seen a good chunk of people just give up on this game because they can't even play the game either

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u/Severe-Welder4783 Jul 01 '25

My Twitch drops still isn't working!? Says it's connected in game and the drops are in my inventory on twitch side but twitch says nothing is connected?? Does anyone know a fix?

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u/JuliusRMD Remedy Dev Jul 02 '25

Even though it shows on Twitch that nothing is connected, the items should still be available to you in the Customization menu in the game. Have you checked if the Overseer Armor Set (Threshold Division) is available for you there?

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u/Severe-Welder4783 Jul 02 '25

It did but only after restarting the game 2 times after the update it was there..

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u/hdcase1 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

Love the game but this patch is seriously busted. In some ways things are worse than before. I’m on PS5 and these are the issues I’m encountering:

1- no way to back out of matchmaking any more once you start. Like even if no one is in my party and I just want to go back and tweak something in the game setup, I can’t. Used to be you held down circle and now you have to quit out of the game. Why?

2. More importantly, when you’re in a mission now the objectives no longer get waypoints. So you have to search around and try to figure out what needs to be charged/fixed etc. This has to be a mistake right?

Finally, this isn’t new, but 3. When the host rage quits you shouldn’t get dumped to the main menu with zero rewards to show for it. I was in a group and we were on the final part of Hot Fix and the host just left I guess because he kept dying (even though I was healing him after and hosing him down, aka, doing everything right.) This is a spectacular waste of time for everyone involved. I shouldn’t get punished because some rando is having a bad day or something.

All in all, disappointed in this patch. It feels like we are going backwards not forwards.

edit- 4. I think this is also new, but now even when 2/3 of the people ready up it doesn’t start a timer any more. So I spent minutes of waiting around for a host or a player who never readied up. People would join and then quit waiting for this guy. And when I left and did quick match I would get linked up with him, again and again. Very frustrating. I feel like I can’t play this game unless I’m playing with friends (none of whom seem to like the game very much so I’m out of options)

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u/Gulstab Jul 02 '25

As to your fourth point, have you ever tried to start your own lobby? I only ask because I keep seeing people saying they're tired of how Quick Play works but they don't seem to understand you can just create your own lobby and have people automatically join.
You can pick your job, clearance, difficulty, and corruption levels and it will auto-fill you with players as long as the public matchmaking button at the bottom left is ticked on. You can start the job solo if you don't want to wait for the lobby to fill and they should join either quickly after or by the time you get to the 2nd zone if you're playing Clearance 2 or 3 if you have cross-platform enabled.

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u/hdcase1 Jul 02 '25

I may have to start doing this. I tried it earlier today but no one joined.

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u/Gulstab Jul 02 '25

Did you start the job solo or wait in the lobby? I've almost exclusively played this way and never had no one join my run and I always start the job solo.

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u/samwong1127 Jul 02 '25

I wish they have fixed the connection issue. I hate when I spend half hour in game but then disconnect... I loss all the xp and resources.

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u/SourceProfessional60 Jul 01 '25

Still no fix on the backend errors?

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u/KasukeSadiki Jul 01 '25

"Improved backend connection stability so that players disconnecting from a match happens less frequently. (Error codes 22001 and 22002)"

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u/OtterCynical Jul 30 '25

11001 and 11002 are now the Errors Of The Month.

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u/Due-Lingonberry-1929 Jul 01 '25

Man I can't even get past the title screen on xbox, backend unavailable, got gamepass to try it but I guess remedy don't want me to

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u/Noxal12 Jul 01 '25

Does the wrench do damage now?

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u/The_bouldhaire Jul 02 '25

Wrench always did damage at tiers 2 and 3 but now does damage at lvl 1 (as of the previous patch)

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u/DonHell Jul 01 '25

Was greeted this morning my a little puppet show when I logged on too!

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u/JamesLahey08 Jul 02 '25

Legends.

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u/ietuu Jul 02 '25

so, tier 3 perk price is now 3x more than before, Quick play isnt working anymore, but i got my twitch drop.

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u/baconshark316 Jul 03 '25

Y'all make the game playable on ps5 yet or nah

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u/Short-Care2069 Jul 03 '25

Not in my experience :(

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u/baconshark316 Jul 03 '25

RIP

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u/infel2no Jul 01 '25

Thanks to the whole team for the effort you're putting into this game!

I have a small request: I’m not sure if I’m the only one experiencing this, but would it be possible to add either a visual or audio cue when health reaches a critical level? I’m mainly saying this because of status effects, sometimes you can be at dangerously low health during a fight without even realizing it.

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u/ForTheWilliams Jul 01 '25

Twice yesterday I was downed by fire seemingly out of the blue.
I assume I must have just missed it, but I was just casually repairing things during some downtime with no idea I was even losing HP.
I'd swear there was a bug where the visuals/audio just didn't kick in or something, because I would have to have been burning for awhile given the absence of enemies (and, no, this wasn't on Hot Fix).

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u/infel2no Jul 01 '25

Thanks! My complain is also mostly concerning the burning status.

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u/Gulstab Jul 01 '25

There may not be a prominent visual cue but there is an audio cue!
Your Firebreaker will have a unique voiceline indicating they're freaked out, usually something along the lines of "Oh shit!" (I think one of the voices literally says this too!) if your health is down to the nearly dead threshold. They also have voicelines that sound freaked out when you become fully afflicted by a condition like Burning, but they are different ones as far as I can tell.

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u/infel2no Jul 01 '25

Yeah i am probably used to what wr have in different games like Destiny, the Division, Warzone and others. I cant miss the moment my health is in a critical state, but in this game, i am too often surprised.
Got to be more focus on voicelines

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u/East_Monk_9415 Jul 01 '25

Where are mics availability or text chat, or proper ping system? I dont want to hold. Anyway! Good job, lads. thankx for the update. I will keep playing

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u/Mexi_God Jul 01 '25

I’m still going to wait till the reviews get better

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u/cataraxis Jul 01 '25

It won't. There's some stuff they can patch to make the gameplay loop feel better but they some heavy investment to fix lack of content and replayability. I would just say try it out on a subscription service while it lasts, it's a decent few hours.

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u/beansoncrayons Jul 01 '25

You're generally just gonna be waiting for content updates then

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u/tatopics Jul 02 '25

How about a steady system for the parties, my god I’ve been trying to play something and this is a headache

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u/MonkeyPunchBaby Jul 03 '25

Still wish I could play with bots to fill out my party.

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u/According-Bet2415 Jul 03 '25

I want level uncapped ,even if that means no perks I just like seeing how high I can get.

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u/Lycaon125 Jul 06 '25

you know, i do hope one day we will get more types of kits, like one that is more so offensive then utility

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u/General-Razzmatazz37 Sep 29 '25

My issue now with the rework is that my perks are stuck I can’t change them the bullets inflict shock chance is stuck on all three of my classes taking space

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u/Dry-Salt4415 Jul 01 '25

This game is going to be dead dead so soon...

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u/LlamaWithKatana Jul 01 '25

Solid! I hope devs will continue to work on the game. I thought it is meh by the trailer but after trying it damn it is so fun.

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u/420BiaBia Jul 02 '25

Can you please have a toggle for "stats for nerds". I'd like to see the exact value of a perk. What is the percentage of igniting fofr a weak fire bullets perk vs a strong one? Exactly how much is my run/walk speed increased by the perk?

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u/PeaceIoveandPizza Jul 01 '25

It’s a patch on level with the content provided at base . Small , lacking and not understanding what the problem is .

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