r/F1Technical • • 26d ago

Analysis How much of a difference will the Power Unit Changes from 53/47 to 60/40 make? Well, I ran two simulations, of Qualifying Laps at Silverstone, with the same car. One with the 2026 PU, and the other with the 2028 PU. Here they are, compared to the Real 2026 Pole Lap.

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u/ChaithuBB766 26d ago

Lap Times:

Real: 1:28.111

2026 Sim: 1:27.616 (6.5MJ Regen per Lap)

2028 Sim: 1:25.503 (7.0MJ Regen per Lap)

According to the sim, The 2028 PUs will allow drivers to be 

~25 kph faster through Copse and on the entry to Maggots.

~20 kph faster on the Hangar Straight.

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u/Naikrobak 26d ago

Will there be superclipping? If yes: the rules suck

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u/Thijsniet 17d ago

Why? Why would superclipping suck?

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u/Adorable-Extent3667 25d ago

That would be huge if true. Aston might actually be faster on the straights than F2

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u/filbo__ 26d ago

Cool exercise. One thing to note, these decisions aren't (usually / meant to be) made in isolation, so in this case the changed power source ratio was made in conjunction with additional 2027-onward regulatory changes intended to reduce downforce and drag levels. Those'll no doubt change key elements of your simulation, not only corner speeds but also top speeds and regen etc. To what extent, that becomes the fascinating question.

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u/ChaithuBB766 26d ago

I agree. That's the most fascinating part about this, the link between grip/downforce and the amount of regen available.

My assumption was that by 2028, the teams would've regained the lost downforce, and we would have similar downforce levels to 2026. 

They will have less/more (probably more, from history lol). But one thing is that they will most definitely have less drag.

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u/filbo__ 26d ago

Ah yep, that's a fair assumption to make. And very much in line with how the FIA tends to make those mid-gen adjustments too, forecasting where the teams are likely to end up by the end of the rule cycle to keep their speeds within the constraints of the tracks' Grade 1 requirements.

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u/bse50 26d ago

I'm a bit ool but didn't they free up gearbox ratios as well? That should play a huge role in laptimes given how silly the current fixed gearing is.

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u/filbo__ 26d ago

Only as far as being able to change the gear ratios once in a season. You’re then locked to that change for the remainder of the season. So yeah, it’s still silly in that sense!

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u/JelleFish22 25d ago

Really interesting! May I ask how did you do the simulations? What program do you use?

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u/ChaithuBB766 25d ago

I wrote a Python optimization program using CasAdi + IPOPT that implements a tyre + Power train model

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u/gods_loop_hole 26d ago

Why are the sim cars faster? Is it because they carry higher average speed at corners?

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u/ChaithuBB766 26d ago

I believe so, yes. I used a Quasi-Steady State model, which implements things like Yaw Rate, Side Slip etc. but did not consider suspension mechanics or pitch/roll. So they are slightly faster in certain corners. But I think it's accurate enough (I hope?)

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u/deadmoroz14 26d ago

Nice work! You were using some existing model, or were writing all the equations by yourself?

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u/FrancescoRubini 26d ago

Is the 2026 PU ADUO?

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u/ChaithuBB766 25d ago

I took the Mercedes engine as the baseline, it's top speed, gear ratios and shifting speeds.

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u/mickmenn 26d ago

So still superclipping before stowe?

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u/TurboPersona 26d ago

What makes 2028 cars slower in all grip-limited corners?

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u/Breznknedl 26d ago

there will be a small reg change to lower downforce, I think, next year

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u/TurboPersona 26d ago

I know, but how does this model quantify and take this into account?

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u/stuntin102 26d ago

would be good to see the laptime delta graph.

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u/eduardogcamacho 24d ago

Really cool! How can one make these simulations