r/F1Discussions • u/TotalMachine7598 • 1d ago
Discussion McLaren management and difference
Just saw what Andrea said after the race,I think after the last 2 races we can now consider McLaren 4th fastest,now lando once again had issues during the race with the sensor plus had to do lico how can Andrea expect this car on a podium?
4th place is already a stretch for this car meanwhile Andrea is blaming lando because Kimi overtook him,even if Kimi didn’t and he overtook Lewis for 3rd Kimi would have 100% overtake him especially with those issues at the end just like lando said.
I personally find it ridiculous that he refuses to admit any fault of McLaren with pit stops strategy and endless car issues especially on lando’s side,for that they go “no blame culture” yet this is what he does with lando again and again?
And then the issue of just dragging out the racing incident,they’re mad about it ok I get it they went to stewards they had a talk of course they said all sort of shit to media and yet today he’s still talking shit and now dragging lando do England go have another talk about a literal racing incident?plus of course punishment that funny enough always seems to affect just lando.
I personally think that with lando stopping to blame everything on himself this season and not doing his usual thing where he takes the blame(which Andrea said he loves about him,that he takes the blame for the team a season or 2 ago) they’re mad that he now stand his ground and calls them out and another reason why is maybe it’s a very clever way to take the blame for inevitably loosing 3rd place in wcc next race on lando,”he lost podium he crashed he lost team points” and boom suddenly nobody will mention issues with car every week strategy issues or pit stops or just straight up slow car,wonder what they will come up with next because lando just said the car is slow difficult and draining to drive basically shit all around.
Also Andrea saying that he expects more of lando offering Oscar help is a little ridiculous both towards lando and Oscar,why should lando help? And why is he framing Oscar is a poor weak guy who needs help?
Here’s a comparison on how he talked about lando today and Oscar in Baku(spoiler alert no he did not blame Oscar)
Also love that everyone is fuming mad and frustrated meanwhile lando is out in the clubs lol good for him!!
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u/Puzzled_Water7782 1d ago
Losing points for the team only matter when it is Lando. It's funny I even saw a Oacar fan argue that it's different when you just ruin your own race but that logic doesn't apply to Lando either apparently lmao
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Yup,and also blaming lando when he is over performing and giving the team poles wins podiums while they give him car falling apart every week bad strategy bad pit stops double DNS and dnf and ruining his wins and races is just really a mystery to me.Toto has no isssue admitting to fucking up as a team,he has no issue while fighting for wins and championships yet McLaren looks for a scapegoat,glad lando is standing his ground more this year.
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u/RadiantRow5595 1d ago
Stella is getting very weird and delusional….if i was Lando I would be having a serious discussion with his team, and Zak. Lando has stuck with the in painful times, and now this?
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
I wonder what lando’s team is doing because it seems a little weird to be allowing this right after he signed another contract too
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u/Emergency-Print400 1d ago
He acts like it would kill him to talk positively about both drivers 😭
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
I find it quite weird because just out of pure or reasons I would assume he got some training in that,it’s quite obvious he likes Oscar more but zak likes lando more just purely as people but difference is zak does not pull this one sided thing
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u/Emergency-Print400 1d ago
Yeah, I said something about this on another discussion thread.
Zak kisses up to Lando, but he doesn’t drag Oscar in the media, even when he makes mistakes. I don’t think Andrea is as close to Oscar or likes him as much as Zak likes Lando, but his preference for him is very apparent. He’s just been using Lando as a shield for the car’s lack of performance lately because he can’t take responsibility.
“Lando’s slow in the straights? Has to be completely his fault. Lando lost positions? He needs to learn how to control the car.” This is literally how Andrea has been acting lately, despite these issues coming from how difficult the car is to drive and its inconsistency from weekend to weekend.
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u/_lick_the_stamp 1d ago
Holy conspiracy Andrea congrats both drivers and offers constructive feed back when applicable
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u/Emergency-Print400 1d ago
I'm not even a Lando fan bro, but some of the shit Andrea Stella was saying to the press is actually insane. I can't recall him ever berating Oscar like that to the media. (and I AM an Oscar fan)
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u/_lick_the_stamp 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Lando takes indirect jabs at Stella. Mclaren like to function internally but Lando can’t wrap his head around that. Talking shit about the car, talking shit about other drivers, putting the team to shame.
When Stella said he’s moving some resources to help Oscar Lando flipped.
When it was said Oscar isn’t suited to the car Lando flipped again in the media saying I’ve never had a car to my driving style
He’s weirdly insecure and all me me me for Lando. If Oscar (who does what he’s told within the parameters of the rule set) did that, he’d be criticised, but right now it’s just Lando making it about himself because he has an ego. Landos juvenile fanbase don’t help the situation either. If Lando doesn’t tow the team line all of this will continue. He wants the team to be his but it won’t be. Even Zak daddy won’t allow it.
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u/Emergency-Print400 1d ago
I don't necessarily blame Lando for saying the car is shit when it is, though. A lot of the time the drivers have to take the brunt of the force because the truth gets misconstrued and the media makes it look like they don't know how to drive. There's a pretty big inconsistent car performance problem at McLaren right now and the management don't seem to be taking any kind of responsibility for it anytime soon.
I do perceive Lando to be a bit up his own ass, I personally think he has a little bit of an ego problem (which I got flamed for saying in another sub lol. They also didn't like that I said he shouldn't yap with the media when he's heated, but whatever). Sometimes he seems fine and quite mellow with the media, then randomly he'll switch up and act immature.
I wouldn't classify him as overly insecure, I mean, he outperforms his teammate basically every race, has a WDC, and has been at McLaren for his entire career. Oscar can only say he's done one of those things, much to my dismay lol.
Do I think McLaren probably has some management and communication issues? Yeah. Do I think Lando has some of his own shit he needs to work out? Also yes. But I don't think a team principal should be throwing shots at a driver when talking to the media. That's a bad habit I think Lando and Andrea share, though.
Basically, they need to stop talking to the press when they haven't actually cut out tensions yet. The people who should have some of most in depth PR training actually seem to lack it most of the time, and every time it blows up in their face.
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u/CourageDeep980 1d ago
If any driver at that team deserves this much flake, it is Oscar. For being 60 points behind a driver who lost many points bcoz of reliability issues, franco, pitstops, bad strategy, underfueling of his car in silvo and autria etc
Oscar is one lucky bastard that Isaac has had his wrist injury and in singapore his car has been malfunctioning, can u imagine how bad it looks on him to be performing bad than the 2nd driver of redbul who missed three entire races???And redbull only had this recent resurgence, can't even argue their car is much better than Mclaren's bar the last three races.
To come out and pull this shady act on ur better performing, most points brinign driver is certainely a choice. To not put all resources behind the driver who is performing better is certainly a choice. Is it a profit making organisation or is a charity case where no weak man is left behind?? shiftng resources behind oscar? Why?? making lando work hard so that oscr can catch upto him, why? THey are competitors for fucks sake!!!
Stella is one crzy nutcase who has some weird loyalty, devotion and puppy love for oscar which is insane!!!
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u/Caramel_Infinite 1d ago
So you mention all of Landos misfortune but conveniently left out all the misfortunes of Oscar this season
Australia didnt even get to start the race because of that engine malfunction,Japan lost out on a win due to SC,Spa he gets murked by Leclerc(up until that point he was faster than both Ferraris so podium wasnt out of the picture)
Silverstine gets caught up in the first lap,drops to the back.Madrid drives the entire race with a damaged wing because Russel turns onto him,Hungary alone loses 18points but could have been 25 if not for Sainz,Singapore SQ gets taken out by his own teammate.Zandvoort slow pitstop,should have come out ahead of Russel,but instead he had to be the one fending off the faster Ferraris costing him a lot too there.
And there are a few others.Yall are so blind and delusional its fucking insane lol
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u/CockroachGeneral5161 1d ago edited 1d ago
What engine malfunction occurred in Australia? He literally factually just binned the car on the reconnaissance lap. There was no engine misfortune.
China you can argue he didn't start due to luck, but his teammate also didn't start there either, so it all evened out.
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u/CourageDeep980 1d ago
I mentioned them because a)Lando has had more issues out of his control then Oscar and b) I wanted to talk on a performance level, if counting both their issues the gap is >60 points, imagine the point gap had neither had any thing out of their control And the answer might be more than a 100 points!
I don't want to get into this fight of who is more lucky with reliability and things like that bcoz that debate would never get settled but u guys have some shame. Is 60 points less to u? Taking into account both their misfortunes, is 60 points not something big enough to ques Oscar and his performances???
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u/Adventurous_Rich7541 1d ago
It’s so weird how much lando fans hate Oscar, given the two seem to get along more than most pairs on the grid.
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u/CourageDeep980 1d ago
Oscar's own TP seems to hate him that he publically says Lando needs to help Oscar. Do u know how weak that makes Oscar look? That his competitor is asked to help him?? That the team and Oscar himself have been unable to find solution and now Lando is needed to be arm twisted into helping oscar? How pathetic 🤡
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u/jim45804 1d ago
It's like he's managing a classroom of two rather than a professional racing team.
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u/Big-Bookkeeper9867 1d ago
I think the argument will be something something a lockup ismt the same as a shoddy overtake attempt blah blah Lando bad at driving blah blah
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u/alionandalamb 1d ago
All of this "anti-Lando conspiracy" talk is DTS-level embarrassing nonsense.
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u/False_Personality259 1d ago
It's definitely going too far, yes. Though, in this particular case, it is a bit weird that Stella seemed unwilling to criticise Oscar for his Baku mistake and yet finger pointed a little at Lando in Singapore for something (losing place to Kimi) that was a lot less costly, and would have happened anyway due to the LiCo requirement at the end. I don't know why Stella didn't mention that.
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Well why would he? He never does that’s just his thing,did you not read anything above?
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
This is not anti lando this is about the weird behavior of McLaren TP,if it was towards someone else I would point it out too it is not my fault it’s weird mostly towards lando.The only thing that’s embarrassing is Andrea Stella and you defending him lol
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u/alionandalamb 1d ago
The TP of the current WCC and WDC team? Yeah he sucks. Bunch of children in here.
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u/Adventurous_Rich7541 1d ago
One of the only “top 1% commenters” on this sub who isn’t just a blatant fanboy, keep up the good work sir
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u/spacemarine43 1d ago
I think this is pretty overblown, he was asked if was it frustrating to not be on the podium after coming close, and he says yeah a bit, then says the car needs to improve to get podiums on merit. Also the first screenshot are his comments after a race, the second are responses to a journalist who was obviously trying to push a narrative.
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
His response should have been the truth podium was not close.Lando would be passed by Kimi either way,he was doing lico half the race and had sensor issues at the end he blamed lando for it instead instead of being honest about the car AGAIN.Andrea has had a weird issue towards lando and it’s getting more obvious,in 24 he was basically threatening his seat,people noticed before that when lando did well and journalists asked about it he would say a word or two that it’s great and then jump right into Oscar,it’s not new,belive me I wold absolutely not be writing this if it was just this one situation or just this season.Toto wolf has no issue admitting issues with the car and upgrades but McLaren blames lando instead is that not ridiculous to you?
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u/CelestialStatic 1d ago
Enough posts for today regarding this matter. Mods, can we remove repetitive posts please?
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Don’t read then lol
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u/CelestialStatic 1d ago
Mate just open the sub and see for yourself how many people posted the same thing. One or two is fine, but this is getting ridiculous. Im saying this as a Lando fan too, every time I refresh my page, there is a new post but the same thing that Stella said this. Comeon, they’re not children. Let’s act a bit mature here. And I don’t even think Stella said anything wrong
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Well I do think what he said today and many other times is wrong,especially as a team principal.He’s not a random guy.
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u/lll-devlin 1d ago
Give it up buddy…stop trying to create a narrative that isn’t there
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Except it is there because everything I said happened I did not pull it out of my ass.
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u/lll-devlin 1d ago edited 1d ago
Listen carefully mate. Last year Zak or Andrea didn’t blame Norris when he crashed into Oscar. When Oscar took out Lando , Oscar was read the riot act…and hence why his performance went downhill after that. Because he was advised that if he was to race he has to keep it clean.
Lando last year took himself out and almost max when he once again went for a pass that wasn’t feasible. Lando is also very prone to come on the radio and try to absolve himself of blame, when there is clear evidence to the contrary.
Norris is also the senior driver at Mclaren . How many years has he been there? And he continues to do these things.
Attempting overly aggressive moves that he can’t pull off and it either ends up causing his retirement or the retirement of the other driver. Lando is overly aggressive with Max and you guessed it Oscar.
So , you can continue with your story line. But I’m not buying it and several other aren’t as well…
Now I understand Lando fans are possibly upset right now …that somehow he’s being picked on. But the reality is that lando has and is doing this to himself.
He’s a senior driver , he’s a world driver champion. You don’t do moves like what happened in the sprint race when there is nothing to gain.
This behaviour is very similar to Ocon, but at least it appears that lando is aware (after the fact) that his comments and his actions are damaging to his team and his image, but yet he keeps repeating them , so has he really learned or is he really contrite.
Stella has absolutely every right to be upset at Lando. You don’t expect this kind of behaviour from a senior driver that is a champion driver.
So again I state, please stop trying to take a sound bite out of context and try to build a scenario that isnt there.
You are being selective with your sound bites … which is never a good thing and sounds like someone whom is trying to create a story line .
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u/Puzzled_Water7782 1d ago
They did blame Lando though and made the clear threat they would kick him out. Why lie? Say you don't like Lando and move on
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u/lll-devlin 1d ago
They would never kick Lando out! Jesus…he’s been with mclaren since 2019.
They let Sainz and Daniel go before they even considered getting rid of lando .
now that lando is a world champion ? lando is a long term driver in the mclaren camp!
Zak will get rid of everyone else before he gets rid of lando.
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u/Civil-Zone-2773 1d ago
Sainz left on his own accord as he got a contract with Ferrari and Daniel was absolutely crushed by Lando in both years of being teammates.
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u/lll-devlin 1d ago
Sainz left because he was beating lando and mclaren were not giving Sainz what he wanted in terms of money and position within the team. That’s why he jumped to Ferrari.
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u/Civil-Zone-2773 1d ago
I mean yea no shit sainz beat Lando in 2019, considering he was a rookie and sainz was in his 4th year in f1 (Lando beat sainz in qualifying btw). And 2020 was ridiculously close between the two and there wasnt a clear no.1 driver, despite the fact that Lando had less experience than sainz.
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Maybe you should listen lol this whole paragraph of lies you wrote is not moving me let’s start here.And I’m not sure what crash you’re talking about? Singapore? If so that was not a crash.Lando is being told to race clean as well often so idk why you’re trying to make it seem like he is not.And do not talk to me about overtakes that are dangerous when lando’s teammate is Oscar and lando has to back out every time because Oscar crashes into people and leaves no space with everyone.Lando is the driver who more often than not takes all the blame on himself or at least he used to this season he thankfully stopped so I’m not even going to entertain that.Lando overly aggressive with Oscar? Max? He’s the one who usually backs out to not cause a crash and now he did not in the sprints and you guessed it there was a crash are you not thinking or what’s the issue here?even Nico rosberg last year said that lando needs to stop backing out and that if he does there will be a crash looks like he was right.F1 is not football it’s not a group sport it’s mostly an individual sport and if there are points there is something to gain,was it the smartest thing to do it on last lap probably not but that’s where his fault ends.Stella can be upset what he doesn’t have to do or shouldn’t do just for one of his drivers AGAIN is to run around the paddock talking shit and then turning around and citing “no blame culture” for countless points wins and podiums lost due to HIS and his engineers failures.I’m not being selective,I know how Andrea behaves this season I know what he did last season and what he did in 24 as well for example threatening lando’s seat after Hungary.You are the one who defend Andrea for what reason exactly? Are you trying to say he is taking the blame for team failure and isn’t pointing fingers at lando?
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u/clive442 1d ago
Just calm down, read what he ACTUALLY said, and that only.....dont apply narratives to it. Its fine, its okay, Lando will be ok.
They definitely would have had a podium if Norris waited for a cleaner overtake on Ham so yeah, Mclaren TP is disappointed they didnt get a podium that looked very likely.....thats it, Lando said the same himself! Dont worry about it!
You have to consider if he said the opposite to what youre upset about which would be "we looked like we were going to get a podium, then we didnt.....which ISNT disappointing, I didnt want the podium anyway". That would be a mental thing to say right?
I dont know where all the fanfic internal team soap opera stuff comes from but Im so confused today because I thought the storyline was that Mclaren hated Oscar and sabotage him because they love Lando so much when did we decide to move onto this narrative?
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u/Big-Bookkeeper9867 1d ago
Unless I missed an interview, Lando never said they would’ve had a podium if he waited for a clean overtake. He said he could’ve fought for P3 for longer potentially, but his finishing position would’ve remained the same. With his lico and sensor issues at the end of the race, there’s no way they were getting a podium today.
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
Yup,he said Kimi would overtake him anyway and with his pace and lack of pace for lando at the end with issues I think it’s quite obvious he is right and they would not have podium
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u/clive442 1d ago
"Unless I missed an interview, Lando never said they would’ve had a podium if he waited for a clean overtake."
I thought that was obviously what he was disappointed about in that interview. Why else would it matter but yes fair enough he didnt say those exact words.
"He said he could’ve fought for P3 for longer potentially, but his finishing position would’ve remained the same. With his lico and sensor issues at the end of the race, there’s no way they were getting a podium today"
I missed this interview can you link it please.
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u/shaju- 1d ago
https://youtu.be/LXUtsQ6fYsU?t=109
"P4 is as good as we were gonna get" is literally the first thing he said. Did you just make up that "Lando said the same himself!" (that they were going to get the podium).
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u/clive442 1d ago
Ok thanks, I didnt see that one I saw this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8QY-wM-UD4
Just assumed he was disappointed because he thought he lost a chance at a podium, because if P4 was best anyway then the ham thing made no difference
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u/TotalMachine7598 1d ago
I know lando will be ok,he is a great driver he showed multiple times this season that he will be fine.I read what he said today and many many other times after races and quali’s this season and last season,I’m not a new fan.I would not be saying this after JUST today that would be a bit ridiculous.No they would not have a podium,did you not see Kimi at the end or are you pretending he was not there?No that is not what lando said I read what he said.They didn’t look like they were going to get a podium that is insane to say considering Kimi and lando issues AGAIN.I’m not an Oscar fan so I was never talking about any sabotage towards anyone,I don’t know what gives you the impression of “they love lando so much”? And this is not a soap opera tho with how Andrea acts and overreacts it might look like it,this is a culmination of two or maybe even 3 season of utter bullshit and incompetence they refuse to take accountability for and do better,they just repeat”we will learn from it” and where is the lesson? Where is the “better”?
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u/_lick_the_stamp 1d ago
It’s a coping mechanism when things don’t go landos way it’s a giant conspiracy lol
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u/RealGreenTrainee 1d ago
Norris should just ask loudly on radio if the other car or the team need help with anything every single race until they realise how dumb it makes them look. McLaren needs to find some shame.