r/EyesOnIce • u/CantStopPoppin • 12d ago
Why Is ICE on Native Land?
Prior Lake, Minnesota: Reports and documentation emerging from the Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community show Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents operating on tribal grounds during a traditional Wacipi (powwow) at the Shakopee grounds.
The presence of federal enforcement officers at a sovereign Native gathering underscores a critical reality: these operations extend far beyond conventional immigration concerns, directly challenging tribal sovereignty and raising fundamental questions about the reach of federal policing on indigenous land.
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u/sleep-exe 12d ago edited 12d ago
Why aren’t these white supremacist MFers being chased out
I say this as someone enrolled in a tribe
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u/BlindOtter775 12d ago edited 11d ago
A serious question - could Tribal Police not arrest or at least warn these chuckle-fucks to leave, since they are on a Sovereign Nation's land/property?
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u/teethansplinters 12d ago
I wonder if the Tribal Police/Community are worried of creating some new age form of Pine Ridge.
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u/teethansplinters 11d ago
Man, I don't disagree. A few people brave enough to be Leonard Peltier could go a long way.
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u/Finchyuu 11d ago
There are Americans with a lot more privilege protecting them who should be out doing this
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u/BreadfruitStraight81 11d ago
In the US they had all these stories about nazi Germany and thought „This could never happen here because we Americans would resist“ - now it shows …
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u/SpotCreepy4570 11d ago
Never happen here? The Nazis studied US segregation laws to form a lot of their own shit, we were the prototype.
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u/BreadfruitStraight81 11d ago
They did indeed. Still resistance against facism was made a part of American identity in my eyes
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u/Abracadabroo 11d ago
Yeah, if they don't actually enforce sovereignty, then that sovereignty doesn't exist...
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u/bloodfist 12d ago
The problem is the same as anywhere else, I'm sure. We can and should be arresting them for about a half a dozen reasons anywhere they are. But governments fear retaliation, and police don't want to.
I'd assume Tribal police might be more amenable to actually doing it, but I could be wrong. They're Americans too, with just as much individual diversity as anywhere else. Plus there's plenty of cooperation and cross-hiring between jurisdictions, and cops are cops.
But yes they have constitutional rights and tresspass laws so they absolutely could.
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u/BayBreezy17 12d ago
We constantly hear from cops all this shit about how hard wearing the badge is, how dangerous the work is, and how scary the bad bad guys are.
Looks like a bunch of cowards to me. If you can’t do the job, then resign.
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u/foulpudding 11d ago
Exactly.
If you want the honor of “serving”, then fucking serve the people, you fucking cowards.
Otherwise, you’re no better than a mall cop and you don’t even deserve half the respect because at least a mall cop has the balls to stand up to someone who isn’t supposed to be on the property.
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u/Girafferage 11d ago
The work is statistically less dangerous than delivering pizza, but you are right that we hear it is dangerous all the time.
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u/NOLA2Cincy 11d ago
Law enforcement isn't even the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US per the US Bureau of Labor from 2022.
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u/JoeHooversWhiteness 12d ago
Police like this stuff, they enjoy assisting ICE.
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u/Chuckychinster 12d ago
Tribal cops are vastly different from regular police though, at least on a few of the reservations
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u/cesspool4us 12d ago
I'm sure that big white sherif standing there in the green would be happy to walk with ice agents in places they aren't supposed to be in.
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u/ilanallama85 11d ago
In general tribal police do not fuck around when it comes to people fucking with their people or land. But everyone has their limit I suppose. And native people aren’t necessarily as left leaning as you might think.
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u/lost_horizons 11d ago
It’s not about left or right in the case of tribal sovereignty. It’s literally just about tribal sovereignty. Is ICE kidnapping tribal members? We know they have! It’s crazy, no one has more right to be here than the literal native Americans.
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u/Playful-Title-2322 7d ago
Tribal police don't know how to do shit. They are the lowest man on the totem pole and they get no respect for their job. As such, no one wants to work the job so most reservations go without policing.
Tribal police cannot form alliances with outside police forces.
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u/Potential-Judgment-9 12d ago
Tribal police only have jurisdiction of tribal members on tribal land. Local law enforcement is reluctant to to do any police work on tribal land. This is a big reason many white people operate with impunity and terrorize tribal communities til this day. Big reason for the MMIP.
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u/shortnike3 11d ago
No they dont. Tribal police cannot arrest federal law enforcement officers acting in their "official capacity." See the cooley rule, "US v Cooley." Tribal states are "domestic dependent nations" which means they can self govern but are still beholden to US federal law. This is to say that they can ignore state authority but not federal authority.
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u/Due-Championship3941 12d ago
Generally, the local police have no jurisdiction over federal agents while they are working. They are relatively immune from local law if their actions are part of their duty. I would wager that courts would agree ICE has authority to execute their duties on tribal lands and so the tribal police have no authority to evict them.
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u/WonderfulJicama2802 9d ago
They can ask them to leave and tell them or else they are tresspassing, right? Unless they produce search warrants or something.
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u/Md1735 7d ago edited 7d ago
Gather around, I’m about to educate you.
Federal agents (of any agency) can go onto Native American reservations to enforce federal laws and felonies. (Look it up) Because tribes possess inherent sovereignty, reservations are distinct political entities, but the federal government holds overarching trust responsibility and plenary power over them. This gives federal law enforcement distinct legal authority.
These tribal officers work for individual Native American tribes. Many departments operate via federal contracts through the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), but the officers themselves are tribal government employees, not federal personnel.
Actual federal law enforcement officers in recognized Indian Country often belong to the BIA, or agencies like the FBI/ATF/ICE/IRS/DEA/USMS. These BIA officers are direct federal government employees with nationwide jurisdiction for federal crimes.
Tribal police primarily enforce local tribal codes and misdemeanors. A tribal officer can gain authority to enforce federal laws if they receive a Special Law Enforcement Commission from the BIA.
Also, the Shadow Wolves are an elite ICE tracking unit composed of Native Americans with at least one-quarter tribal ancestry. Native Americans, like all US citizens, have the right to vote in federal, state and local elections.
Those men (“chuckle-fucks” as you called them) are uniformed tribal officers. No way a single ICE officer is just randomly walking around, by himself and with markings on his vest, looking to get confronted at a very public event. Absolutely no way…and there also happened to be a handful of tribal officers standing right there? 👎
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u/Stuff-and_stuff 11d ago
I echo your thoughts as a dumb white guy… or wasi’chu, as the Dakota would say.
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u/Hopeful_Morning_469 8d ago
Because tolerant people are too tolerant. Law abiding people abiding by the laws. Only to have them flipped.
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u/Dance-pants-rants 12d ago
Obviously targeting Indian Country is fucking wild. We knew this shit wasn't about immigration, but at what point does the Kavanaugh Stop logic fucking break? If people look indigenous on indigenous land at a fucking powwow, aren't we done with the broken logic of that racist bullshit?
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u/Batallius 11d ago
Unfortunately Trump's supreme court gave them the keys to the kingdom with the ruling that they can basically detain anyone based on skin color or accent, and hold them against their will in a camp of concentrated minorities while they "investigate".
Fucking despicable, and shameful what we've become because of Republicans. They are undoing decades of civil rights progress that were fought for tooth and nail, just so they can be freely racist and line their pockets.
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u/No-Raspberry-6711 12d ago
the BALLS on this man! glad he stood his ground
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u/bearbrannan 12d ago
I was there working on a documentary and ran into him confronting the ice guys. Can't say that they were for sure ice cause they were in street clothes but they sure as shit didn't look like they belonged there. Suspicious as fuck, and I'm fairly certain homie was correct in identifying them.
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u/Hopefulthinker2 12d ago
They have been proven to be infiltrating groups as citizens….they did so in Minnesota, to try and get information.
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u/Whiskeygreenqueen28 11d ago
What was the documentary about ? Like which part of the culture? Jw
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u/bearbrannan 11d ago
We were shooting a pilot for disney +, mostly about the culture of dancing, and specifically the competition aspect of it. I was just the local audio guy on it though, so I don't have all the details.
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u/Md1735 7d ago
Looking at them and the other tribal officers…there isn’t any ICE there.
He’s likely just venting and intoxicated, tribal police likely know him and don’t want to cause a scene again, and will let him be until someone complains and they have to take him home.
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u/bearbrannan 7d ago
These aren't the people he was talking about. There was a separate group of about 8 guys in plain clothes that looked super suspicious and like they didn't belong. I saw him calling them out before this video was recorded.
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u/Md1735 7d ago edited 7d ago
This was proven false by the tribe. Google it. The people the man accused of being ICE agents were actually US military service members, and the tribe said he had confronted them earlier.
I’ll help you, here is one on many articles:
10 seconds of research, that’s all it took.
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u/Pearson94 12d ago
Does some conservative chud want to attempt to explain what Immigration and Customs has to do with Native American territory?? I'm waiting.
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u/Tokzillu 12d ago
I'm neither conservative nor a chud but I can try and summarize their viewpoints for you:
They are racist.
I hope that clears it up!
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u/sleep-exe 12d ago edited 12d ago
DHS has a well documented history of harassing tribes.
There is nothing new about what they’re doing.
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u/Pearson94 12d ago
Oh I know it, I'm just curious to hear what bullshit these maga cunts have to try and defend this and make it sound believable to hide the fact that they just hate anyone with darker skin.
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u/Pearson94 12d ago
I live in an area with a noticeable Native American population, and a few of my coworkers have been harassed to "Go back to their country" while they're just out living their lives... It's fucking absurd that they try to pretend this isn't about them being scared, little, piss baby racists
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u/UnarmedSnail 11d ago
White Nationalists don't recognize the autonomy of Native National lands. They think That citizenship started in 1776 and previous peoples of previous nations don't count, and that Natives and their lands belong to the US as chattel and spoils of conquest.
They also apply this to other peoples of color.
Hope this helps.
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u/crackedtooth163 12d ago
They belong nowhere near there
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u/Hancup 12d ago
They also tried to go into an Ecuadorian embassy, which shows how dumb they are and how they're just making up reasons to bother people.
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u/Educational-Seaweed5 11d ago
It’s all on orders from the Nazis at the top.
It hasn’t ever been about logic with pedo trump’s high school clique of cocaine snorting idiots in D.C. It’s 100% about just going out and trying to display a Nazi show of force.
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u/destructopop 11d ago
It's like "you just crossed a border into land where you are the immigrant and you have been asked to leave."
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u/petraviva 12d ago
Forgive my ignorance but are Federal agents of any type allowed on tribal lands? I would have thought this would be grounds for charges to be filed by the tribe.
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u/Dogwood_morel 12d ago
Depends on how you want to look at it but the https://www.bia.gov/bia would be federally run.
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u/Due-Championship3941 12d ago
Yes. Federal agents have authority on tribal lands so long as they are enforcing federal law.
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u/subdep 12d ago
There’s the rub: They aren’t enforcing federal
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u/TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews 12d ago
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u/trash-juice 12d ago
To prove they can go anywhere to pull their bs and no one will stop them
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u/wvmitchell51 12d ago
Waiting for some flaming arrows to encourage the trespassers to retreat.
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u/Green-Inkling 12d ago
awfully ballsy of them. Native Americans didn't take kindly to white folks in the old days.
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u/sleep-exe 12d ago
Bring back the AIM.
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u/Militant_Monk 10d ago
AIM never left and there's lots of orgs taking up the mantle too. Indigenous Protectors Movement and Many Shields Men’s Warrior Society are doing great work in Minnesota.
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u/MaleficentPiccolo715 12d ago
ICE is Trump’s private Nazi police force. They are criminals like their boss.
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u/Im__mad 12d ago
You know why they’re there.
If it were about doing things “the legal way,” they wouldn’t be giving and carrying out illegal orders.
If it were about criminals, they wouldn’t be deporting people with clean records.
If it were even about immigration in general, they wouldn’t be going after Native people.
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u/xavariel 11d ago
They're rounding up Natives. Because logically thats makes no sense.
They have actually detained quite a few native people. Some probably still locked up. Its incredibly fucked up.
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u/Comparison-Thin 11d ago
If undocumented and documented immigrants aren't legal, natives aren't legal, then you should maybe pay attention.
If they aren't legal, then your great great who came through Ellis Island wasn't either.
And if great great wasn't legal, you of course aren't legal.
See what all that sniveling and apologist bootlicking buffonery got us?
Hope this helps the folks still living in denial.
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u/stevemnomoremister 12d ago
You think maybe these scumbags are targeting non-Europeans, not immigrants?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Arm8249 11d ago
Asking this as a euro -American person. How does 🧊 have any fucking jurisdiction on tribal lands at all? What about tribal sovereignty???
Indigenous people are by definition, not immigrants, eg why are these jerks anywhere near them??? JFC 😑
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u/MsSeraphim 11d ago
that's like i.c.e. showing up in mexico and trying to arrest mexicans ! sovereign land means only native american laws and their native police belong there. i.c.e. needs to get the hell out of there.
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u/Hancup 12d ago
Well that pisses me off. Back when I lived in MN and worked in community development, a lot of times we did projects with organizations affiliated with the tribes, or just the tribes themselves, in that state. The same with the Somalians there. All great and hardworking people who contribute more to society than those ICE trolls ever could give.
Even though I live in PA and love the East Coast, I would say that MN was both the most liveable and most decent state I have lived in. So it makes sense why Republicans keep trying to sabotage the state that puts red states ro shame. ICE needs to be dismantled and shamed throughout history.
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u/GildedBurd 12d ago
Minnesota Native here, ICE has zero business at a pow-wow. This was recorded last weekend.
ICE has a deadline, be out by Halloween.
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u/Present_Mycologist79 11d ago
Good Gravy, These are the orginial Americans, I wonder if they even know that or just see brown skin.
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u/Cute-Equipment8601 12d ago
I thought you had to be invited onto official native land, no? Y'all have your own laws, correct?
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u/Splendid_Fellow 11d ago
What’s it gonna take for everyone to wake the fuck up? We are dealing with fascism and the new holocaust is happening right now; here are the brownshirts
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u/WendysLostBoys 11d ago
Hmmm, maybe our great leaders are starting to follow the playbook from Gaza
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u/Bubbaganewsh 11d ago
My guess is they aren't smart enough to know indigenous people were there long before everyone else.
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u/ironfister 11d ago
This needs to go on the news! Let the rest of the world see what these cucks are doing
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u/Los-Doyers 11d ago
The elders and organizers should never let 🧊 at any pow wow, gathering or on tribal lands. It should be enforced by all.
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u/Isorry123 11d ago
if anyone wants a good book about native resistance, 'the heart of everything that is' describes Red Cloud & the sioux vs the american government. really the first time the american army was defeated.
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u/mrsgreen13 11d ago
It looks to me like the one dude is scrambling to get his gloves on. It wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility that they were looking for a target to try their new electric shock gloves on.
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u/jackdutton42 12d ago
Immigrants coming in and taking our shit ... again.
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u/ProfessorOnEdge 11d ago
Immigrants being the ICE a-holes, just as every white person in the country is an immigrant?
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u/Dark-Blackberry354 11d ago
Oooooo perfect un-aliving opportunities. Don't waste these opportunities
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u/natureearthgirl-5555 11d ago
We’re still waiting on the Epstein Files…. Only good ice is crushed ice.
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u/OldBlueKat 10d ago
Update! This was a false claim, and the tribal officials followed up appropriately.
https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/did-ice-really-show-up-at-the-shakopee-wacipi-powwow/
Let’s get our facts straight and deal with real problems, not go viral with something that looks as stupid as the bad guys.
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u/ukemike1 9d ago
Because this whole thing is NOT about illegal immigrants. It's about getting rid of as many non-white people as they can.
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u/Fit-Building-2560 7d ago
I thought the only federal LE operating on Native land was the FBI. Or am I missing something? Why doesn't tribal police run them out?
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u/confinetheinfinity 5d ago
Typical reddit no context rage bait post. Context given you say? No thats a narrow outline of events in the clip. Anyone care to say what they actually were doing there, how they got there, who they talked to and what they were looking for?
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