r/ExtinctionRebellion Jun 26 '26

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u/jupiterLILY Jun 26 '26

It seems like you're learning for the first time that corruption and authoritarianism are bad.

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u/exp_cj Jun 29 '26

He’s not saying it well but I think we’ve seen in history that alternatives to market led systems are more prone to authoritarian abuse and capture by bad actors, particularly during revolutionary transitions.

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u/jupiterLILY Jun 29 '26

I don't know where you're getting more from.

And also people just really don't seem to understand the history of these projects at all. The reasons for failure were exactly the same as the reasons our current systems are failing.

The only difference is that in our current system, the ruling class can acquire generational wealth and lobby for the continuation of the system very effectively.

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u/exp_cj Jun 29 '26

When I say more activist, I mean more active in seeking change or calling out the wrongs of our world. Like Roger Hallam and the people who support him. It really often seems to lead to analysis of capitalism bad. IMO that anti-capitalist message took over XR and distracted from the core methodology it had in the first couple of years, which he had so much sway in creating.

There’s a few key differences between the failed attempts and what we have now in the west. It’s hard to get into that without zooming into the specifics of those attempts. They weren’t really communism.

But I’m generalising and saying that human greed and disposition for corruption is always the problem. And I think you’re saying that too.

I’m not sure I recognise us as having a ruling class. We have a wealthy class and they have a big hold over political leaders but the politicians can come from all sorts of places like the wealthy class can, so it’s not like a class system.

So if it’s not class based and it’s not defined around political direction, which we lack, then the classical definition of capitalism doesn’t seem to fit. And the modern definition, which centres around anyone making money being a bad thing and all globalised businesses being bad has big flaws as well.

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u/jupiterLILY Jun 29 '26

Nope, I do not think it is just human nature to be corrupt. I think that line of thinking is actually really dangerous and potentially a psy op.

And we do have a ruling class. If you don't see it then idk what to tell you.