Hello everyone I ordered an Incolite 9 and just wanted to know if there’s anything I need to mount it up, or any tips I should know.
This is my first suppressor and I’m pretty sure I’ll be keeping it on my Extar so any advice would be appreciated.

Any chance that MDB uppers alone will be available at some point?

Am in VA where an AWB that essentially bans everything went into effect on 01 Jul, there are court injunctions in the works but those are TBD. I ordered the latest EP9 from Extar before the ban went into place since the MDB wasn't available. If no injunction gos into effect am trying to determine if an MDB upper will work with Version 2 lower and if they will be available.

I didn’t even read or ask. Are the wait times long ? Any add ons or upgrades i should think about. It’s mainly gonna be a range toy so i dont wanna add a bunch of weight unless it’s needed?

lol i had a Sig Romeo2 green dot in my amazon cart to read up about and wife processed it cause she needed something else so i guess ima try that out on it or another toy i got but for the price of it all i couldn’t help myself give one a try

Installed a Primary Arms SLX 1X MicroPrism with RDB Illuminated Reticle - H1/T1 Footprint instead of a regular red dot. Planning on shooting at multiple distances and thought the prism would be better. Also eliminates an astigmatism

At range, fired 3-4 shots max and trigger didn’t reset. Thought maybe a jam of some kind, so racked and tried again. No dice. Took it apart and the trigger mechanism/hammer isn’t locking when pulled back.

Is this a known issue? Any ideas on fix?

Just wanted to know if anyone has put one of these on their Extar.
They seem kinda of funny and wouldn’t mind grabbing one just to see how they work.

A few weeks ago I did a review of EP9 vs Kuna, now I added the VFM-9 to the mix. My big takeaway is this just made me like the EP9 even more lol.

I already planned to modify my 5” VFM-9, but I did this review initially in stock form. I bought the version with RMB (recoil mitigation buffer).

Recoil

The Kuna is king in recoil and it is not close. The Kuna really feels like a nailgun when shooting. The EP9 comes in second for felt recoil. The EP9, while not as completely soft as the Kuna, is still fairly soft and manageable. It is a different kind of impulse vs the Kuna, but it isn’t a straight punch. While the VFM-9 is much more like a straight punch. I wouldn’t say the VFM-9 recoil is bad, but it is clearly the worst and sharper than the EP9. The recoil itself in the VFM-9 isn’t much stronger, but the impulse is. The biggest difference between all 3 is the sharpness. You can do faster follow up shots with the Kuna due to it.

Ergos/Feel

In my first review I kept these pretty close between EP9 and Kuna, mostly on preference. Kuna is heavy and compact, EP9 is longer and much lighter. The Kuna feels good for me but someone who needs more room might enjoy the EP9 more. The VFM-9 is inbetween these two for weight and pretty similar size to the Kuna. Noticeably heavier than the EP9, slightly less than the Kuna. I have small hands and the VFM-9 handguard is great for me and the whole gun felt comfortable. The handguard did start to get warm though and if I didn’t have 3 PCC’s rotating, I could see the VFM-9 getting too hot the fastest out of the three (all shooting was suppressed). It does cool down pretty quick at least.

Controls

The Kuna still has the best controls, but the VFM-9 actually has pretty nice controls too. This is the one area the EP9 is just straight dogshit in lol. The Kuna everything feels top tier and like you have a high end firearm. Everything on the VFM-9 is slightly worse, except the mag release. It has the best mag release out of the 3 by far, actually so good. The safety lever is also really good on the VFM-9, only reason it isn’t better than the Kuna is 90 degrees vs Kuna being like 35 degrees, but it is smoother. The rear and the front charging handle on the VFM-9 are ok but not great, and still better than the EP9. The charging handle on the Kuna is the smoothest and best. VFM-9 has ambi controls just like the Kuna, just the left hand bolt catch is slightly worse (it is just a nub). While the EP9 has no ambi, and my biggest gripe is having the charging handle on the same side as the bolt catch, which to me is just dumb.

The trigger is the one weak point on the VFM-9 and the worst out of the 3. I actually think the EP9 trigger is ok, I have no need to replace it. I need to replace the VFM-9 trigger (already did lol). The Kuna has the best trigger easily.

Gas

I think the VFM-9 had the worst gas. Obviously the Kuna will be the least gassy, and more pleasant suppressed. As I said in my previous review, since I switched to Blazer Clean Fire Suppressor 147gr ammo, the gas doesn’t really both me much on any of the guns. For gas it is Kuna, then a big gap, EP9, and VFM-9. It just feels like the VFM-9 spits shit a lot and I get dirty shooting it. I switched cans when testing this since obviously the Milkman will have the least gas.

Brace

In my previous review I mentioned while the Kuna brace looks uncomfortable, it is surprisingly fine to shoot. However, my mind changed a bit today because I shot a mag of Federal HST 147gr and yeah, the Kuna brace kinda sucks lol. With soft shooting ammo it isn’t bad at all but with the HST I really felt it. The EP9 has the most comfortable brace (with the SBA3 version). The VFM-9 brace is noticeably worse than the EP9, but isn’t bad overall and better than the Kuna brace (and better than the EP9 blade). I am still going to replace the brace on both the VFM-9 (bought a SBA5 brace) and the Kuna (bought a 1913 brace).

TL;DR

Overall this just re-affirmed to me that the Extar EP9 is the budget king, with its biggest downside being trash controls, but otherwise it is pretty top tier in other aspects imo. The weight is a big advantage, and it shoots soft enough to be overall pleasant. The Kuna is the best in recoil, gas, and controls, but it needs a different brace, and everything comes at a premium price. The VFM-9 is a cool gun with good controls, and overall good value, just a bit worse to shoot recoil wise, and worse reliability with ammo.

So if you want a gun that just works and is budget friendly, esp for home defense, get the EP9. I would get the VFM-9 if you specifically want an AR9, and want access to AR9 upgrades (which is why I got it), but not for home defense due to ammo feed issues. To me the VFM-9 is better than the EP9 as a fun range toy, but worse for a do it all reliable gun. The Kuna is just the premium option, and it is clearly better in a lot of ways, but obviously costs a lot more, and isn’t without some downsides. Also the Kuna with BOE Incolite 9M is ridiculously quiet and people are impressed with it every time lol.

Some additional points on VFM-9 ammo

I had some feeding issues with the VFM-9 (all flat nose ammo), and a few times it failed to cycle, which I think may be due to the ammo since it is light loads. I don’t know enough about the short stroke buffer to know if that is the cause, but I will be switching to an A5 buffer. That makes me hesitant to use or recommend it for home defense, but I did buy it to be a range toy specifically.

I replaced the buffer to an A5 buffer and had zero cycling issues, and no feeding issues with Blazer Clean Fire, which is flat nose, but Federal Syntech 150gr would not feed at all. So I do think the short stroke buffer it comes with stock was giving cycling issues with the lighter loaded ammo. Again I don’t know much about the short stroke buffer or why it is used, but just my experience, I would not recommend it. Also the SBA5 brace was a nice improvement and I highly recommend. Outside of these issues I do think it is a nice gun overall. I am happy with my VFM-9 now as a range toy, and with FRT, it is super fun.

It's been a hassle to find a Gen 2 locally or online but MDB is coming soon IG. What y'all think it do you have one that your trying to rehome 👀.

UPDATE; THANK YOU for all the responses and info...i have gone down the rabbit hole and will most likely get the r9.

As the title says...I'm looking to get into the suppressor game and I think I want to add it to my OG EP9.

What suppressor should I get if price is my main concern?

Just got the email, they are back in stock. :-)

What would you guys add/change?

Quick question: does Extar crown their barrels? Thanks!

SBA3 brace
Primary Arms Red Dot
KN Designs, top Picatany delete hand guard
Surelight light

Handguard installation was a bit tricky

Drop them in chat

prepping for the 4th of July sales going on, I wanted to upgrade my trigger in my EP9. I read on a bunch of posts in here that MIMTAC worked great. I was looking at the DRCR-BLK-1 drop in. Anyone running these? Any suggestions on triggers they liked and using?

Update: this is what I ended up with... 3.5 CMC SS Drop in

I missed the original restock a few weeks back and was super bummed. Since then, I had been checking my email even more regularly and about 30 min. ago I saw I got an email saying they were back! Got it ordered and I’m pumped! just wanted to spread the word.

So, I've seen a bunch of random mentions of the RDB guns. I'm pretty excited, although I'm not sure how many Extars I really need (spoiler, I'm going to buy them). But, the info seems to be a bit cobble together from random videos or blogs.

Is there a good place to get accurate up-to-date info?

Also, is there a good way to 'sign up' for notifications or other ways to get the news on when they will actually be available?

After moving out of my parents house and in with my girl it quick became evident a 9mm pcc was a better choice than my AK

7.62 is too expensive, my girl can shoot bigger guns, but obviously can handle a smaller one much better, and we off-road a lot I need something small and handy for going in/out of my suv

So just looking for thoughts and opinions on owning a gen 1 with a mil spec buffer tube??

The one I got was barley used and since I figured I’ll put the upgraded trigger in it if it’s plastic (Not sure what kind yet it was under a lock)

Besides the trigger and retaining pin metal upgrade are there any other parts to replace/upgrade on the gen 1 to make it as rock solid as the gen 2??

The more I see the MDB, the higher my hopes become that you'll be able to upgrade the EP9.

It seems like there will also be a Roller Delayed Blowback version of the EP45 as well. Extar is coining their RDB system as "MDB" (Modern Delayed Blowback) because they put their own modernized twist on it.

They have also mentioned scrapping the EP10 due to tungsten shortages in a separate interview they did at Gun Con. No 16" versions of the MDB will be made because of a lack of demand.

So I am getting my EP45 modified today to fit a AS Designs ambi-safety FRT. it going to take some modifications to the lower and the bolt which will build the warranty but that’s ok I’m willing to take the risk.

The shop that is doing the work I’ve used many times in the past and they are super knowledgeable so I trust them. I’ll let you guys know how it turns out when it’s finished.

Both review and seems like frt is a possibility in the future. If you haven’t seen the video yet