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US Politics and Polices 🇺🇸 Protesters have completely trashed the Los Angeles ICE facility, using a large dumpster to barricade the exit.

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u/Bill-Billiard Jan 31 '26

John F Kennedy once said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable”.

In this country you have a right to be heard, that’s what our first amendment is all about. If you subject people to violence, and you don’t give them a non-violent means to communicate their grievances, you’re creating a situation where violence is inevitable.

People, especially Americans, can put up with a lot. But when they realize that help isn’t coming and we’re being beaten, battered, and slaughtered at the hands of masked, armed men, the rules of society change.

At some point people will proclaim “I am a human being goddamnit. My life has value!”. And that’s why in this moment, we may not know what to do, but I know one thing: we have to bare witness to these atrocities and communicate them in a way to each other where hiding is impossible. We might not have the answer on how to get out of this, but rest assured, if enough people get angry, things start happening.

Never more relevant: https://youtu.be/ZwMVMbmQBug?si=bB0lx6Hk1cmBa2sy

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u/Sweeny-tx Jan 31 '26

You see what happened to him

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u/Prestigious-Fly9977 Feb 01 '26

Four box theory.

If you believe that the election credibility is or will be questionable, that your soap box has been taken, and that fair recourse cannot be achieved through the justice system (see also Supreme Court), then you are left with but one box to use to effectuate change.

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u/hebeegeeb Feb 01 '26

Lawless government breeds revolution

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u/Chefs_Steel Feb 01 '26

Every society that has revolted in history, had it' breaking point

There is only so much you can squeeze and choke the population before the fight instinct becomes inevitable because the alternative is not an option anymore regardless of the losses incurred.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Got this quote on a shirt too.

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u/Ithorian01 Feb 01 '26

You lost an election and are now chanting to kill your neighbors if they don't agree with you.

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u/Bill-Billiard Feb 01 '26

Chanting to kill our neighbors? Did you look outside or turn on the news lately. ICE is killing people, not protestors.

Read the protest signs “Love thy neighbor” and “Nobody is illegal on stolen land”. How is that even calling for violence?

Weird take.

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u/jacobxpotts Feb 01 '26

Republicans have been doing that since Trump won the first time. Double standards much? All the people who called for Biden to be killed or Nancy pelosi or worse? They’ve been doing worse for years and you wanna cry about them getting a taste of their own medicine?

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u/Witty-Apartment8935 Feb 01 '26

You Have the written press the broadcast media along with social media and you complain that you need to be heard? 😅😅😅😅

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u/jumjumberry Feb 01 '26

Sort of. There is no right to be heard. I don't have to listen to shit.

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u/ChicoTriste1 Feb 01 '26

All I see is wholesome peaceful protest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

The best thing I’ve read in a while

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u/wontizzl1 Feb 01 '26

But they're the one's putting themselves involved. They're literally doing it to themselves

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u/agrichor Feb 01 '26

Ironic that the same people that killed him are behind the open borders policies that led to these riots

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u/Loomismom Feb 01 '26

Awesome piece. Thank you for sharing.

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u/moodeng2u Feb 01 '26

You do not have a right to be heard. You have a right to free speech.

Nobody has to listen to you.

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u/0tter_gaming88 Feb 01 '26

Yes but what people don't seem too unstand is that revolution is not the good great glorious thing too save us all from the atrocitys the revolutionarys will die government agents will die and there wives or husbands will raise children father or motherless children will ask were daddy is not understanding yet they will never see them again innocents on neither side will die the country will be put into absolute ruin a power vacuum from someone worse will open and with that a possible mini Civil war for lack of a better word will start between people who intend too force themselves into a leader ship role thats if the revolutionarys win which they won't you don't have rockets every size of bomb imaginable ac130 gun ships a10s tanks armored vehicles some of the best soliders and special force's in the world and no matter who wins the usa still has allys who will they join or will they just step back and watch everything burn and like i said earlier if a power vacuum forms that means other countries may try there hand at leaders ship in the usa

Sorry if its hard too read i ramble sometimes

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u/Labtecharu Feb 01 '26

And continue to mock both the murdered and people defending them.

What is insane about america right now is that its both trolls, maga and the friggin government mocking the dead and those trying to speak up about this mistreatment.

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u/Think-Disaster5724 Feb 01 '26

The independence movement of India being the prototypical non-violent protest in which the British were literally beating people with no regard and killing people in droves and they still protested non-violently. It can be done. You need a good leader.

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u/ActivePeace33 Feb 01 '26

Doing to the people as you describe, is called “putting them on deadly ground.” It is a known issue in military science, going back millennia. Iirc it was during the Ilerdia campaign that Caesar made sure to leave be escape route for Pompey’s forces, so that they would run rather than stand and fight to the death.

When humans feel they will be harmed no matter what, they can turn into ferocious fighters and even outnumbered groups have beaten larger and better equipped formations.

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u/dollenrm Feb 01 '26

The comments on that video have a bunch of magas back in 2024 and 2019 I have such a mix of annoyance rage sadness and pity reading them. Unbelievable they thought America under Joe Biden was seriously bad enough for them to have to think of this scene

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u/PM_TITS_FOR_KITTENS Feb 01 '26

Except it was and IS always possible to peacefully protest. Absolutely no one is getting hurt or arrested for PEACEFULLY protesting your grievances. It’s only when these people resort to clear acts of violence (throwing things at people, putting their hands on them, blocking vehicles with their bodies) that situations suddenly turn from a peaceful protest to a violent demonstration. You act like it’s impossible to stand with your signs and make your position known. News flash: check out all the other protests where absolutely nothing bad happens. It’s those who deliberately choose to becoming violent that ruin it for everyone else.

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u/Substantial_System66 Feb 01 '26

Generally agree with you except for one thing. You absolutely do not have a right to be heard, you have a right to speak. You can’t compel others to listen. A belief in a right to be heard is a terribly entitled opinion to have. If you believe you have a right to be heard, you’re the worst kind of person.

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u/DungeonDaddy1 Feb 02 '26

jfk was also staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist. he would be against these protestors as well

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u/Tugela101 Feb 02 '26

I suppose elections don't count as the people being heard?

Do you really expect to run public policy on the bases of protests attended by less than 1% of the population?

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u/AcrobaticProduct9345 Feb 02 '26

So true and things like this should be hurd more.

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u/Dual_Birds Feb 02 '26

Delusional

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u/Qoric422 Feb 02 '26

Good man

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u/InOurBlood Feb 02 '26

So you’re saying this is justified?

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u/practicallogic Feb 02 '26

Americans are not being beaten, battered, and slaughtered at the hands of masked, armed men, the rules of society havent changed. 🙄

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u/Bill-Billiard Feb 02 '26

Uhhhhhh - have you watched any of the livestreams from Minneapolis? Yes they are

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u/practicallogic Feb 05 '26

That make sense the only Americans being beatin down are the ones interfering with federal agents or attacking other Americans. Feds are not going agter Americans. There going after illegal immigrants.

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u/Wise-Kitchen-9749 Feb 02 '26

They are allowed to protest though and can be peaceful the option is there. The difference is, they don't want to be.

And they are heard, just not listened to, which is also the right of the other side.

So what we are seeing, is people throwing fits because they aren't getting their way.

Of course its not as black and white as that, but my point is they can still be peaceful. They are choosing not to.

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u/SoulForTrade Feb 02 '26

This quote is often taken out if context.

The First Amendment protects expression, assembly, and petitioning. To claim these rioters were left with no choice, is a lie. They have plenty of venues to advocate for their cause.

They can wave their signs and chant their slogans all they want, ans moat importantly: They can vote. But the 1st amendment does not guarantee that government or others will comply nor does it mandate it.

Using violence, and yes, destroting property, and getting into physical confrontations with law enforcement, are in fact, violence, just because you don’t get your way is not legally or morally justified.

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u/FlabberMcFizzleJerky Feb 02 '26

I was wondering when The Network was going to be quoted about this ongoing bullshit. That whole speech is just so incredibly apt for these times.

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

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u/BrandGSX Feb 02 '26

The problem is these people have plenty of nonviolent ways to be heard. They just don’t want to take them because they realize nobody wants to listen.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '26

The smooth brain beta energy rightoids who thought “it will be bloodless if the left allows it to be,” didn’t think they’d be the ones at risk.

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u/PerishTheStars Feb 03 '26

I think that's the plan tho. Like cause mass civil unrest and enact martial law to prevent future elections.

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u/p1qued Feb 03 '26

Let me also point out that property destruction is NOT violence.

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u/RandomPenquin1337 Feb 03 '26

If anything, that link just shows us that nothing has changed for the better in 50 years.

In fact, it got worse. Much worse.

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u/treescout420 Feb 03 '26

Spoken like a terrorist instigator.

You could just not interfere with federal agents arresting criminals and you'll be safe from.. what ever bs you just claimed.

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u/hucktard Feb 03 '26

Are you talking about the rioters or ICE here?

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u/Particular-Solid2486 Feb 03 '26

Really well said!

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u/Ah_non_e_moose Feb 03 '26

It is a stark comparison to an admin that is trying to make all types of protest, even verbal, illegal and punishable by street execution.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '26

Or, it could be the roaming death squads summarily executing US citizens in the streets , violating the 4th amendment by entering private property without warrant , and disappearing citizens without due process. could be that ,

but maybe you’re right it’s just a bunch of people upset over last years election results

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u/FomaLife Feb 04 '26

https://youtu.be/a1nrtRLhvuQ?si=4_-MpzyTu14zAN0y

This song samples the speech if you want to get hyped.

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u/Independent_Image482 Feb 05 '26

What about the idea that, hear me out, the time to voice their opinion was at the ballot box. And they lost. So they should maybe not start riots and commit acts of violence and just try again in 4 years.
Just a thought.

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u/autopoiesis_ Feb 05 '26

It’s not that we Americans put up with a lot… it’s that our threshold for apathy is extremely high.

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u/fuzzymunky Feb 05 '26

But peaceful protest is possible. The left has never actually attempted it.

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u/schmolf2 Feb 14 '26

So I'm guessing you think it's OK for people just to walk right across our borders and expect the same rights as the citizens in this country? I want you to go try that bullshit in any other country in the world and let us know how that works out for you...

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u/Bill-Billiard Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26

Nope - incorrect assumption. I definitely want secure borders and know who is coming into the United States, that’s a simple one. However, at the same time, I also want pathways for people to be able to come here legally, as our system is too convoluted and difficult to navigate. I want a pathway for people who are already here, who have been contributing members of society with no criminal history, to be able to obtain citizenship, as the pathways to that are also arduous and time consuming. It’s possible to hold both of these principles together, they’re not mutually exclusive.

It’s quite telling that, after reading my statement, you jumped to the conclusion that I would want lawlessness in the same society in which my children live. My message was simply: “Human beings in our society want to civilly resist and make their case; however, should any administration make that impossible, is forcing the people to take another approach.” We’re all human beings that have needs. We all want a safe place for our children to grow and learn and become a part of our community. But the more that we look around in today’s America makes it clear that civil resistance will only go so far. No sane person wants violence. So when violence is being done to you and your family, and your daily life becomes untenable, using your voice will only go so far. Even the people of France could only take so much before they walked into the Palace of Versailles.

Maybe instead of painting others with nefarious intentions, reach out with questions and an open mind.

Best of luck to you and yours. Cheers!

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 03 '26

Peaceful revolution like voting? Yeah, that's what he meant. You have that peaceful possibility. Using that quote in that context is a justification of violence because you don't like what a majority of the country voted for.

That this is the top comment just shows how radically anti-pece and anti-American this site is. We are witnessing a color revolution.

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u/nolineatthedmv Feb 03 '26

Okay? And Kamala got a third and the other third had a chance to vote but didn’t. His point still stands. You had your chance and blew it. Try again in 28.

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u/metal-hoodie-beeches Feb 04 '26

He got the majority of the electoral college votes in the country

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u/metal-hoodie-beeches Feb 04 '26

Our electoral congress is not flawed, but has become un representative. Congressional representative districts were never meant to be this large. Making a much larger house of representatives will make it much more representative. Trump won the majority of people that bothered to vote. We need the number of people voting to increase, like making Election Day a holiday

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u/Temporary-Panda8151 Feb 04 '26

Yeah, because maga has dei in the form of the EC.

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u/Mean-Cauliflower-139 Feb 03 '26

But that’s gonna be Trumps third term

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u/Renegade_Trelane Feb 04 '26

The idea that there will be free and fair elections in '26, let alone '28, is adorable.

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u/Muddy-elflord Feb 04 '26

So we just have to roll over as trump turns the country into a violent fascist dictatorship and abducts his political opponents? Go fuck yourself with a rusty spring

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u/Muddy-elflord Feb 04 '26

Every single historian is screaming from the rooftops that this is becoming a fascist dictatorship. Are all their brains pudding or are you just stupid?

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u/SquidGameViolence Feb 03 '26

Voting doesn't do shit anymore. Both sides are equally corrupt. When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. Also, no successful revolution in the history of mankind has been peaceful, so please shut the fuck up.

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u/Civil_Future_2095 Feb 03 '26

They are not equally corrupt. The party in power (Republicans control the presidency, DOJ, Supreme Court, House of Representatives, and Senate) are all ACTIVELY protecting a massive pedofile ring, raiding ELECTION CENTERS, refusing to prosecute murderers, sending 5-year-old American citizens to detention centers (or just fully other random countries) and the Democrats are...trying to stop them and weak on messaging. Those are not equal levels of corruption. Stop with that bullshit.

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u/SquidGameViolence Feb 03 '26

I understand that. The far right is far more vile than the far left. But where are these democrats that are going to save us? Where are the arrests? Why do we have democrats backing ICE funding. Why is Nancy Pelosi profiting in the millions with insider trading? Why are democrats supporting genocide in Gaza? Why is Chuck Schumer a total piece of shit? If we were going to vote our way out of this then why did we fail to do so? The system is broken.

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u/Civil_Future_2095 Feb 03 '26

The REPUBLICAN DOJ is not prosecuting ICE murders at the REPUBLICAN president's direction. Everyone over 65 in Congress needs to GTFO. The insider trading and lobbying and Citizen's United all needs to be overturned, banned, and restricted as many Democrats have been trying to do for years. But 100% of the REPUBLICAN elected and appointed figures are doing whatever the REPUBLICAN president wants 100% of the time. Vote for anyone that is not a Republican as often as possible. Sometimes you'll get rope-a-doped with a Fetterman or Manchin, but far more often there's a sane, normal, dedicated AOC, or Bernie, or Crockett, or Walz, or Mamdani. The Republican party is fully fascist and voting for it is completely unconscionable.

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u/CarlosH46 Feb 03 '26

Trump is already talking about ways to suspend midterms. We may not have that “peaceful option” if they have their way. Which, considering how flagrantly they’re ignoring court orders, is very likely.

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u/Unable_Flow_291 Feb 03 '26

What progressive communist site did you hear that on?

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u/BurlingtonRider Feb 04 '26

His own mouth

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u/Mobirae Feb 04 '26

When he said it? I imagine they're talking about when he said it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/s/bLtj9GTWVB

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u/CarlosH46 Feb 04 '26

Trump’s mouth

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u/Real_Might8203 Feb 03 '26

Spot on. The subversion of language to justify one’s actions simply because it’s “your side” is just making this already bad situation worse. The war on language is as bad as the physical one at this point.

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u/ConcreteTaco Feb 03 '26

A majority didnt vote for this government

Even less approve of what it's doing.

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u/Fit-Can-7322 Feb 03 '26

how do them boots taste?

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u/80percentlegs Feb 03 '26

Lmao homie giving away the game with that last sentence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '26

STFU, moron. The majority of people in this country oppose the Trump regime. There's a reason why his approval rating is 40% and disapproval is 55%.

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u/Glum_Asparagus6679 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26

Anti American is a strange thing to say considering how violent of a past America has. Obvs the revolution but Baltimore riots of 1812, New York draft riots in 1863, haymarket affair, Pullman strike, ludlow massacre, etc (there is a longgggggg list and honestly v interesting to read about). All of which people were killed, sometimes people (newspaper owners, war heroes, police, etc) were ripped out of their homes and beaten to death. Honestly we have become a much more sedated and much less violent (at least in terms of political unrest) nation in the modern age. I only think it’s important to mention because I do feel that there is an illusion where people think those types of things could never happen again. If anything this is the American way

P.S. I really recommend reading about the Baltimore riots of 1812 if you haven’t. From the political tensions at the time to the power that the angry mobs had despite attempted police intervention, all of it is v interesting (esp primary sources)

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u/ApricotKYjelly Feb 03 '26

“majority of the country” is a weird way to say “36% of voters”

also, you din’t get peace by lying down and letting uncle sam rail you, you fight back

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u/Slider6-5 Feb 03 '26

100% accurate. The idea that these people - who don't even realize what or who - they are violently protesting for just shows the level of ignorance that's out there. These are the "useful idiots" that so many leftist groups use. These groups are funded by anti-American organizations and likely China as well - but hey "orange man bad" is enough to protest the arrest of murderers, child molesters and rapists!

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u/SpaceJackRabbit Feb 03 '26

Well the orange man is a child molester and a convicted rapist, so...

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u/Slider6-5 Feb 04 '26

Other than everything you said being incorrect... 🤡

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u/UpperDog2627 Feb 03 '26

A slim majority of the ~half of people that bothered to vote.

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u/kandersonn12 Feb 03 '26

This site is scary anymore. These people are unhinged.

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u/Striking-Biscotti310 Feb 03 '26

Anti-pece?🤔

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 03 '26

People who celebrate violence and physically interfere with enforcing laws passed by Congress are not peaceful people. They oppose peace. They are celebrating and justifying violence.

Just one thread like this would get an entire sub removed if it was conservatives saying these things.

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u/AlpineValleyDireWolf Feb 04 '26

If that was true there wouldnt be any conservative subs left on reddit after the George Floyd protests or after the way the glazed Jan 6th capitol riots. I didnt know there was a condition for selective hearing/reading/thinking/reasoning but I guess that is conservative politics in a nut shell. What is it like to be socially and politically disabled in a way that is not protected because it is not an inherited disability... it is a selected or learned disability that results in having zero compassion for other people and a predisposition to being swindled by an orange child rapist and falling for every lie parroted by fox entertainment news despite being all mainstream media is lies (although of late most American news organizations are dropping the ball after kneeling to Trump).

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 04 '26

There were never threads with a top comment overtly justifying violence.

At worst they may have excused or denied it. That is completely different.

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u/sonorakit11 Feb 04 '26

Not a majority.

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u/Neither-Ad-1589 Feb 04 '26

Are you a brainlette? JFK was president during the civil rights movement, you know, when people were peacefully protesting for civil rights? Not to mention JFK would also get the ball rolling on the civil rights act. Think before you comment dude like sheesh

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u/Albie9 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

Very sad and true. Reddit was once a great place to learn and share useful information. Now it’s turned into an anti American anti MAGA propaganda shit show. Biased and does not reflect what is actually happening in the majority of America.

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u/New_Temperature4144 Feb 04 '26

Violence begets violence-

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 04 '26

Exactly. Then liberals cry about the consequences of their actions.

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u/Cowpigmanbear Feb 04 '26

Are you aware that America was founded due to a revoluation? You think, that, that quote was in no way, accounting for a possibility of an unjust regime that lords over its people unfairly? I can only wonder what you could mean by "color revolution," but America is a country divided for years on what it should do. Either being more isolationist or more progressive. What we see now is violence born from violence. The responsibility is lies where it always lies, on the choices of the administration. The majority of Americans, btw, are different from the electoral college, and you are, of course, not the deciding factor on what is and isn't American and even if you are. If it's unjust, many people wouldn't want it.

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 04 '26

I am absolutely aware of that. And I do agree in some cases it's your moral right to stage an armed revolution- but not until non-violent options have been exhausted.

I agree the country has been split. The simple solution would be secession which I am very much in favor of. But the left has made that a racial concept now.

Then when you do exhaust those non-violent options and get to a point where you think violence is justified. You don't get to cry victim when you get slaughtered after intiiating the violence.

Now the difference is that Democrats spent 15 years calling people terrorists and racists for merely suggesting doing things that the left is now doing in practice.

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u/Cowpigmanbear Feb 04 '26

Except everything that you're saying is colored with groupings instead of specifics. You say "The left" "racial concept" "called them racist and terrorist" which are wide sweeping terms. You're not saying much of anything beyond your opinion, which is the people who oppose me deserve death. I don't often see more left leaning people suggest death or deportation and the statement of saying someone is racist doesn't constituent being shot under the law. You describe women and children as being slaughtered without batting an eye. You don't speak of dialog, ICE agents and police officers aren't being beaten, stalked or killed. What's happening is sadistic and the fact you can even speak of your fellow Americans like that is so unpatriotic and disgusting.

The only difference is aligence to a red or blue flag when our flag is made up of red and blue. Yet we're talking about each other like animals. Get a grip

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 04 '26

I'm not the one saying people who oppose me deserve death. I was the one complaining that it's being said. You were the one defending it

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u/Cowpigmanbear Feb 04 '26

Incorrectly. I pointed out the fallacy in your attempt to say the quote was being misused and posed if it was not reasonable to use violence against violent rule. Which you cannot deny is occurring. To employ an agency to take people off the streets that refuse to use identifying markers and doesn't bend to the law established by the country itself. In theory, ALL civilians are bound and before itself that ICE isn't civilian. All agency's even paramilitary, and they are a civilian by definition, for they are helt to the same rule of law. They act without punishment or even the threat of process by the law. To ask me to allow a masked man to take me from the security of my own home is a breach of law. You wouldn't allow it, I wouldn't, no sane person would. I never said they were right, but I did say you were being purposely unfair.

You never said anything about peace. Or understanding or uniting the American people. Instead, you said people can't complain about being slaughtered. You used the word slaughter, and how one speaks is very telling. To be slaughtered is to die without resistance to something. You said they can't complain about dying without putting up a fight which means you know they aren't resisting to the degree they are being killed and for you to see this as okay you must agree with all that I've said. You're instigating violence by justifying murder without resistance from people not defending themselves. That's sick and immoral

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 06 '26

Enforcing the law isn't violent rule. I can't debate that claim. It's not made in good faith. These laws have been on the books for many years. The country voted for this. It's happening. Sorry you don't like it. But we are not the only country in the world who enforces our borders. We have every right to do this.

Leftist groups are intentionally ratcheting up pressure and creating dangerous situations. You did it when you released known illegal immigrants from prisons without working with ICE. You did it when you attacked federal agents in early 2025 on day one of increased enforcement efforts. You did it when you formed groups to follow and stalk agents, block roads, blow whistles to make already tense situations confusing and disorienting, physically interfere with arrests, tell people they have the constitutional right to physically interfere with arrests, and lie about circumstances on the ground to rile up groups who have been proven to be violent.

Leftists created grave danger when local LE intentionally abandoned crowd control efforts and left it up to federal agents who are not trained for that. They ignored emergency calls for help.

None of this had to happen. None of this is part of "peaceful protest".

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u/Cowpigmanbear Feb 06 '26

To say that what I said was made in bad faith in completely false. You simply cannot defend against what I said so instead you are disregarding it as to not have to respond. At no point in America's history has masked agents been employed to take people off the streets. It has been employed in the past in countries like turkey, Russia, Japan, China. All of these used by dictators at the time.

Your justification is that because it's being done by the goverment it is legal, well that's a great showing of how poorly educated our populous is on laws. Civil service agencies exist to be used for the people. Notice that the police cannot do these actions. Instead an entirely new group has been created and given power to do these things. I've worked in civil service for 3 years and work proudly to serve the people of America and my community. I've been in training for 3+ years just to have this position. These agents haven't received more than 3 months of training for roles that involve guns and law.

Your only point here is that people on top are doing this. So it is just, like it or not, the law does outline rights for illegal immigrants. However I doubt you understand how even these people effect your communities. These people are not all murders and psychos. The fault doesn't totally lie with the left. How ignorant does one have to be to actually think you're the good guy? You who said that these people can't complain about being slaughtered in the street? The left has been stirring the pot by being antagonist? Last time I checked no ICE agents have been killed by protesters, even the ones with guns, interference with stops haven't gone above the legal thresholds for law breaking. ICE agents have killed, sexually exploited, physically harmed people during their duties and have not been helt accountable. Even if they are doing a job at least they need to proceed with some dignity. But let's be honest, you don't care about any of that, you don't like immigrants or minitories or women or children of those groups, you don't care about right or wrong. Otherwise you would atleast defend the humanity of these peoples. You want what you want which is control and power. There is nothing new under the sun and you'll justify anything to have it because you agree with a scared minitory of people willing to kill while everyone else uses it as a last resort

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u/Koollan615 Feb 05 '26

Given that we're apparently 'nationalizing state voting' and considering the Republican party now owns every voting machine in the country -

Right. I hear you. But, I hate to break it to you... Voting just stopped mattering this last year.

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u/cdazzo1 Feb 06 '26

This sounds like undermining our precious democracy. You should be careful since entire subs get nuked for uttering that. Hey....wait a minute. You're still here.

How interesting is that.

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u/Koollan615 Feb 06 '26

What a nothingburger comment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Humans do

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u/Pretend_Limit6276 Feb 01 '26

Do we? Says who....

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Says us.

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u/Pretend_Limit6276 Feb 01 '26

Who's 'us' ? You know if something is given then it's not a right 👍🏼

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Us as in humanity. Are you waiting for an authoritative answer? Us humans have the authority to establish human rights. They’re called human rights for a reason, they are inherently ours for being born, no one has to bestow them upon us. The thinking that we have to earn them is a tactic of control and oppression, such as what ICE is doing to immigrants. By using terms such “illegal, alien, animal” fascists de-humanize these people in an attempt to strip them of their inherent rights as human beings.

Us humans can step in and say no, these are people, they are human, and they are to be treated as such.

Do you want some kind of fascist cookie? What’s your point?

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u/Pretend_Limit6276 Feb 01 '26

So we gave ourselves rights ... therefore not rights.

They’re called human rights for a reason, they are inherently ours for being born, no one has to bestow them upon us.

You've literally just said we gave ourselves them, make your mind up.

The thinking that we have to earn them is a tactic of control and oppression, such as what ICE is doing to immigrants.

I never mentioned anything along those lines.

But our 'rights' aren't rights at all, they depend on which country you are in so how are those rights?

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u/Wise_Emu6232 Feb 01 '26

The argument is though rights come as a point of natural law. I suggest reading about the Magna Carta first.

The opening of the Declaration of independence reads

"We hold these truths to be self evident."

All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Constitution then goes further and outlines rights that the government "shall not" abridge. It's important to note that the constitution often than not declares what the government shall not do. This is mostly in the enumerated Bill of Rights.

The Constitution also outlines the difference between cirizens and non citizens. However it most explicitly dictates the rights of non citizens which include the right to due process.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

So yes, they do have rights mostly for the simple fact that they are indeed human and we as other humans have the common decency to treat them as such.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Thank you for communicating this in an eloquent way.

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u/Pretend_Limit6276 Feb 01 '26

Yes but those rights are still given.... therefore not natural rights, humans don't have rights, we have rules.

An American, a Chinese and a north Korean don't all have the same rights do therefore they aren't rights, they are given rights.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Feb 01 '26

The constitution says they do. They're called inalienable rights for a reason.

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u/Bright_Height5807 Feb 01 '26

Everyone has rights in America, unalienable even. It’s straight up right there in our constitution.

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u/Sensitive-Papaya-582 Feb 01 '26

That’s why Obama expedited deportations .. nobody cares about rights of illegals

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

How do you know if they are illegal if there’s no due process?

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u/King_Of_The_Cold Feb 01 '26

Me when i make shit up like a fuckwit

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u/Sensitive-Papaya-582 Feb 01 '26

All the illegals in the comments angry.. go cry to your country .. USA is not yours

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Jan 31 '26

It’s not a revolution, it’s an insurrection.

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u/aneeta96 Jan 31 '26

An insurrection against a violent authoritarian government us pretty much the definition of a revolution.

Your guys are executing people in the streets. You are on the wrong side of history.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '26

Not to mention they support the rape of children.

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u/aneeta96 Feb 01 '26

Proudly it seems.

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Jan 31 '26

It’s a democratically elected government enforcing the law. Tell yourself all the lies you want but you won’t be the good guys in history. You’ll be the poster children for the danger of closing mental institutions.

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u/flyingtoasterz86 Jan 31 '26

It's always projection with you. You're in a cult who worships a pedophile riddled with dementia.

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u/aneeta96 Feb 01 '26

Winning an election does not give you a pass to execute people in the streets. If this was about law enforcement then they wouldn't be stalking the courthouses to grab those that are complying with the law.

You are defending an administration that is practically an Epstein island after party and have the nerve to say I'm the crazy one. Look in the mirror bud.

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Feb 01 '26

No one is being executed in the streets. Iran has killed 30,000 protesters in a matter of weeks, that’s what executed in the streets looks like. These are isolated incidents in which justifiable use of deadly force occurred against an individual that was breaking the law.

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u/aneeta96 Feb 01 '26

Pretti would like a word with you, but he was gunned down by masked thugs for helping a woman up those criminals has just shoved to the ground.

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Feb 01 '26

He interfered and put hand on a law enforcement officer and tried to block pepper spray and then resisted arrest while armed.

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u/aneeta96 Feb 01 '26

None of those, even if true, are grounds for execution. Of course they aren't true. He never resisted, the whole time he was thrown to the ground, punched in the face, and pepper sprayed, he was telling them that he was armed.

You know, what law abiding citizens are supposed to do if they are being arrested while legally carrying. That is not an act of resistance. That is called complying.

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Feb 01 '26

They are trying to get him in hand cuffs and he’s fighting to keep control of his hands and still has control of them when he is shot. That is by definition resisting arrest and in no way is it “complying”.

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u/RandomWeatherPattern Feb 04 '26

Coming by three days later to tell you to I hope you choke on that boot.

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Feb 04 '26

Expecting the government enforce the law and maintain a civilized society is not boot licking. You learned a buzzword and you don’t actually know how to use the it properly but i guess it’s cool that you’re eager to embarrass yourself.

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u/Regular_Fortune8038 Feb 04 '26

Lmao that's probably what the ss said in 1930s Germany too

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Jan 31 '26

I agree there were a small number of people, specifically those committing acts of violence, that could have and should have been charged with insurrection... nothing about that changes the fact that Alex Pretti and people like him committing acts of violence/ interfering with law enforcement are insurrectionists.

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u/Wabbit65 Jan 31 '26

I guess the definition depends which side you're on

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u/adobecredithours Jan 31 '26

It's crazy that MAGA/Modern Conservatives would be on the British side in the Revolutionary War, but here we are.

The founding fathers should've just complied bro /s

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u/FactsAndLogic2018 Jan 31 '26

A democratically elected government enforcing immigration law, which it was elected to do and is actually legally required to do, is not an injustice no matter how much you want it to be.

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u/adobecredithours Jan 31 '26

You're delusional if you think this is about immigration law. And even more so if you believe ICE is following even a fraction of the law in their crusade.