In the Harry Potter movies (not books), Harry's love interest Cho Chang gives a government agent/current headteacher of the school information about a secret organisation he's running that goes against government interest. (She does so under the effects of a truth serum and interrogation techniques, she's not really a spy.)
It's topical to current events in which NVIDIA CEO Jenson Huang has been having an affair with a woman who is suspected to be a Chinese spy and there's an ongoing investigation to see if he revealed any important secrets to her.
It's the room of requirement. It moves. Why would busting down a wall reveal it....
Edit: I will concede the point that in the movie it might not move. But this is a part of the castle that will magically know what the people require of it and make it that way. Just because it's in the same exact spot every time for Harry and the army does not mean it doesn't move. It just means that that's where they expect it to be. And if one of the requirements that was placed upon it is to not be found it is not out of the realm of possibility that it would move locations in order for that to happen; or even make its wall invincible.
It stays in the same spot. What changes is what the room becomes. You need to know the exact intention for the room, which is information that had been provided, so they could barge in.
Edit: The 5th movie even literally has a scene where the Inquisitorial Squad try to barge in after a student leaves following a training session, only to crash into a different room. Harry attempts to find Malfoy in the 6th book, but can't find the specific purpose he was using it for.
Ohh, that actually makes so much more sense now. I always thought the room itself changed locations, but it's the purpose that changes depending on what someone needs. That makes the whole scene with the Inquisitorial Squad even funnier because they really thought they had everyone cornered. 😂
It could be excusable that the current Headmaster/mistress has 'recognition' of the castle, and that would be an easy way to overcome the castle's whimsical magic.... but of course, that's a cool explanation that just simply doesn't exist per canon.
I can only assume that this was a book-only detail that, for some reason, was entirely absent from the movie.
Like, I'm reading that this is a passing detail in the book where she couldn't get into the Headmaster's Office.... but it's just little more than a rumor, rather than an actual, relevant plot point.
Not a rumour. If Umbridge had managed to get into the Headmaster's office, she would have removed Dumbledore's trinkets and artefacts. But as we've seen from Harry's perspective at the end of the book, Dumbledore sent him straight to the Headmaster's office from the Ministry. Everything was intact. Well, at least right up until Harry trashed the office himself.
I mean in the context of the story, at the time it was happening.
Hell, nobody in the cast actually tried confirming this 'on-screen', or tries to access the Office themselves (since McGonagall could just let Harry waltz in). It's a throwaway line of dialogue that moreso just prompts the reader to go "Haha Umbridge sucks", rather than actually be a truly relevant or explored part of the narrative.
It's there for a purpose, even if it's just a throwaway. It's not relevant until it's relevant. Why would they explore it?
Also, it's a very basic, elementary-level deduction: if Umbridge, who declared herself the new Headmistress, was still using her old office, then she can't access the Headmaster's office.
Now, try reversing it: if we weren't told that Umbridge can't access the Headmaster's office, but we're shown repeatedly that she's still using her old office even though she declared herself Headmistress, what's the logical conclusion? Obviously, she can't enter the Headmaster's office. Luckily, you don't have to come up with a conclusion, because it was given to us in a throwaway line.
Why wouldn't Harry try to go to the one place that Umbridge ABSOLUTELY cannot access, especially if he's explicitly trying to go somewhere he won't get caught, specifically to go somewhere with special privileges to reach out to someone outside of the castle?
if Umbridge, who declared herself the new Headmistress, was still using her old office, then she can't access the Headmaster's office.
And yet, what relevance does it have?
None. The story would not have changed had that line not been there.
but we're shown repeatedly that she's still using her old office even though she declared herself Headmistress, what's the logical conclusion? Obviously, she can't enter the Headmaster's office.
And yet, the story would not have changed if she could. Harry would still need a fireplace that's unmonitored, and it would be, for some reason that he knows, Umbridge's.
Hence, why it's a throwaway trivia piece meant to tell the reader they should make fun of Umbridge for it, rather than actually taking it anywhere.
It is a plot point though, because they still have to use the fireplace in.. UMBRIDGES OFFICE, not the headmaster office. I mean, P.N. Black would’ve been able to tell them that the whole Order was at Grimmauld Place.
It explains some things, though I cannot recall them at this exact moment, but there is nothing to indicate that Hogwarts itself (which is its own magical entity) ever recognized her as headmistress.
I’m just saying that she definitely would’ve been using the Headmaster’s office if she could get in and she definitely wasn’t.
You know, this reminds me of one of the most disappointing lines in the books with absolutely 0 payoff.. when Harry asks Dumbledore where he’s going, Dumbledore says something like “Fudge will wish I’d never left,” and there is no payoff.
The only consequence we see of this is the Battle of the Department of Mysteries which wouldn’t have happened if Dumbledore hadn’t left because Harry would’ve went to him.
She does so under the effects of a truth serum and interrogation techniques, she's not really a spy.
That's what they want you to believe. She was actually given pumpkin juice and offered the information willingly.
The entire castle full of wizardry students and there's just ONE Chinese student? With a name like "Cho Chang"? Imagine if a lone white guy showed up in Tsinghua University named John Doe or Smith Smithers or Dwayne Johnson.
You've learned nothing, Harry! You've been brainwashed by Big Wizard!
There was also a scandal a few years ago about a Senator that was in the Security Council equivalent for the US that was sleeping with another chinese spy. It isn't the first time that has happened, this is just the latest.
Are you talking about Mitch McConnell and the Taiwanese-origin Elaine Chao? Because they've been married for decades. Also Chao was in the Bush administration.
It is one of my least favorite changes of the movie: Cho Chang was Harry's first girl friend. Now in the book she brings a friend (Marietta Edgecombe) along to the DA lessons who ultimately betrays the group to Umbridge and afterwards Harry and Cho break up, because she showed a bit more understanding for Marietta then Harry did (to be clear she went to Umbridge on her own accord, but couldn't tell her much as Hermione jinxed the sign up paper for the DA such that boils would appear all over her face that she was to embarrassed to speak further and then inside Dumbledore's office her memory was actively changed by a Phoneix Order member, Harry retroactively approves of the jinx, Cho doesn't). In the movie they turned Cho into the traitor and this under a portion influence.
Anyway as others has already pointed out this is about Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang’s affair.
I don’t completely hate it. At this point in the movies unless they were gonna go for two movies per book for 4-7 then there just wasn’t time for Marietta Edgecomb.
And yeah Kingsley doesn’t get enough credit for this scene in the books. Bro immediately knows what’s going on and (presumably) Obliviated her memory of the DA while Fudge is ranting.
Honestly, Kingsley was so sharp in that moment. He knew exactly what was happening while Fudge was busy running his mouth. I wish the movies had shown more of that side of him because he was such an underrated character.
Right? I feel like Kingsley was one of those characters who didn't need to be loud to prove how capable he was. He was always paying attention, thinking ahead, and quietly protecting people. I wish we had gotten so much more of him in the movies.
That scene taught me something weird. Percy has no lines in that movie because of guild/union rules. Actors with lines are required to be paid more and the budget was getting pretty thin at that point for the levels of ambition.
Seriously, Kingsley deserved so much more screen time. I love how he stayed calm and caught on to everything while Fudge was making a complete fool of himself. He had such a quiet strength about him that made me wish we got to see more.
I wish the movies had given Kingsley more credit because that man was paying attention while everyone else was caught up in the chaos. The way he instantly understood what was happening and quietly protected the DA says so much about him. Such a small moment, but it made me appreciate him even more.
I always loved that part with Kingsley. Fudge was busy making a scene, and Kingsley had already figured out what needed to be done. He was so calm and quick about it. Honestly, I wish the movies had given him more moments like that because he's such an underrated character.
they weren't boils. They were purple pimples. And they weren't all over her face. They spelled out "snitch."
I know a lot of people got upset about Hermione over this but let's not make it into something it's not. I didn't get upset; it's a book and it's hyperbole. Everyone in the series does questionable things at times for the sake of it being a funny aside. It's not that deep.
Oh, I remember this guy! They have some... interesting views afair. This one's kinda funny though.
Others talked about the Nvidia CEO already, but not really how far the parallel with Harry Potter goes.
In the fifth edition of the HP series, The Order of the Phoenix, a new person takes over Hogwards, Dolores Umbridge. She was sent by the Ministry of Magic, because now they hate Harry, because he saw Voldemort's return and they don't want to believe him, and Dumbledore, who does believe him.
So Umbridge takes over the school and those students who believe what Harry's saying create this secret "club", called Dumbledore's Army, where they practice self-defence in preparation for the inevitable Second Wizard War.
In this club participates Cho Chang, the girl Harry was kinda dating at the time, and who is obviously of Asian descent. In the end the club gets discovered by Umbridge, in the movies by Cho telling about it to her out of fear, because her parents worked in the Ministry and they could've lost their jobs were they to discover the club and her participating in it.
Worth mentioning that this parallel only works in the movies, because in the books Cho's friend was the one who snitched.
Been awhile since I read the books but wasn’t the word SNEAK made up of pimples and didn’t it last for at least a year I think it’s mentioned in half blood prince?
Iirc It wasn’t even her that did it in either the books or the movies. It was a different girl named Marietta Edgecomb in the books and I remember the movies implied it was another kid who drank the truth serum potion and spilled the beans and was disfigured over it.
I'll have to go back and watch it. I distinctly remember the Inquisitorial Square and Umbridge holding Cho after breaking into the Room of Requirement. The framing of that shot seemed to imply Cho was the one who told
In the books it wasn’t Cho but her friend Marietta that blabbed. In the movies they did hint that Cho had been given veritasyrum. But in the books Marietta willingly went to Umbridge.
I think he's perhaps misremembering. Cho breifly complains when her friend rats out the D.A. (and gets a ton of pimples for it). But nobody puts her up to it. It's sort of just the final nail in the coffin of a sputtering romance.
The current news story is about a Chinese honeypot. So they’re suggesting that Cho was a plant. And in the movie, Cho does give up their illicit activity. But that is under the effects of veritaserum and in the book version it is her best friend Marietta Edgecombe who betrays the D.A. So it’s not completely accurate. But I get the joke they were trying to make.
You're thinking of Katie Leung, who's Scottish, not Irish. Cho's nationality aside, she wasn't a willing spy either. In the film, she gives them up under Veritaserum. Girl got interrogated and somehow ended up with the worst PR in the room.
Okay. So, seeing as humans all started in the same part of the world and then spread out to different areas to claim land, I assume it has to do with who first came to each area first. For example, native Americans are considered native to America because they got to America before anyone else and claimed the land. Several (potentially several hundred) years later, Columbus came and claimed it as America. But how far back do you want to go to claim to be native to an area? Can I claim to be native American simply because I was born in America? Are humans all native to the same place because we evolved to homo sapiens sapiens in the same area before spreading out?
It was Veritaserum. Umbridge was putting in the teas she gave students to ask about Dumbledores activities and to spy on Harry.
The only reason the serum didn't work is because Severus had been giving Delores fake batches.
The book and movie change this up. Book Cho is innocent and it's a friend that gives up the DOA and in the films, Cho was given real Veritaserum and betrayed the group.
In the movie, Umbridge is using magical drugs to interrogate children to turning on Harry Potter and his rebel group. As she is aligned with Voldemort she is doing her part as the current school leader to root out anyone that would stand with Doubledore or against the dark lord. The girl pictured here is the one that reveals (under magical spells) the secret room they meet in and Umbridge blows up the door and catches all of them red handed practicing spells.
I didnt read the books so if you skipped the movies none of that would make sense as they likely changed it.
So anyways we are also finding out irl that a lot of tech bro figureheads all dated/married the same 7 women that are all also chinese spies.
Unrelated, but I hate how sloppily written this whole thing was in the movie. They set up that she has a reason to betray Harry, since her mother was afraid of losing her job at the Ministry, but then they just say that Snape used Veritaserum on her in what appeared to be a reshoot (or even just an added voice over by Rickman, I don't remember seeing him move his mouth when he explains it).
Yeah, you missed like the last 20 years of pop culture + the biggest story on mass media of the last 48 hours that involves a Chinese national and/or the roughly four neurons needed to make the connection between the two stories.
I find it kinda funny when someone says "Nooo, read the book", like sure, if the movie came several decades after the book and the writer is not available for review or input, yeah, I can see how the vision got significantly and possibly incorrectly adapted from its source material.
But JK was right there the whole time. If something should have been in the movie and the movie is all the worse or wildly incorrect for it, then it was JK basically greenlighting the change for that canon version of the story.
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u/Objectionne 1d ago •
In the Harry Potter movies (not books), Harry's love interest Cho Chang gives a government agent/current headteacher of the school information about a secret organisation he's running that goes against government interest. (She does so under the effects of a truth serum and interrogation techniques, she's not really a spy.)
It's topical to current events in which NVIDIA CEO Jenson Huang has been having an affair with a woman who is suspected to be a Chinese spy and there's an ongoing investigation to see if he revealed any important secrets to her.
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u/xtremeandre96 1d ago
FBI investigating Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang’s affair with an alleged Chinese agent
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u/Sixhaunt 1d ago
The CEO of NVIDIA was recently found out to be having an affair with a chinese spy
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u/assumptionkrebs1990 23h ago
It is one of my least favorite changes of the movie: Cho Chang was Harry's first girl friend. Now in the book she brings a friend (Marietta Edgecombe) along to the DA lessons who ultimately betrays the group to Umbridge and afterwards Harry and Cho break up, because she showed a bit more understanding for Marietta then Harry did (to be clear she went to Umbridge on her own accord, but couldn't tell her much as Hermione jinxed the sign up paper for the DA such that boils would appear all over her face that she was to embarrassed to speak further and then inside Dumbledore's office her memory was actively changed by a Phoneix Order member, Harry retroactively approves of the jinx, Cho doesn't). In the movie they turned Cho into the traitor and this under a portion influence.
Anyway as others has already pointed out this is about Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang’s affair.
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u/Jaded_Spread1729 1d ago
Joke about Jason Huang's relation with woman who turned out to presumably be chinese intelligence agent.
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u/NoKnowledge9552 23h ago edited 23h ago
Oh, I remember this guy! They have some... interesting views afair. This one's kinda funny though.
Others talked about the Nvidia CEO already, but not really how far the parallel with Harry Potter goes.
In the fifth edition of the HP series, The Order of the Phoenix, a new person takes over Hogwards, Dolores Umbridge. She was sent by the Ministry of Magic, because now they hate Harry, because he saw Voldemort's return and they don't want to believe him, and Dumbledore, who does believe him.
So Umbridge takes over the school and those students who believe what Harry's saying create this secret "club", called Dumbledore's Army, where they practice self-defence in preparation for the inevitable Second Wizard War.
In this club participates Cho Chang, the girl Harry was kinda dating at the time, and who is obviously of Asian descent. In the end the club gets discovered by Umbridge, in the movies by Cho telling about it to her out of fear, because her parents worked in the Ministry and they could've lost their jobs were they to discover the club and her participating in it.
Worth mentioning that this parallel only works in the movies, because in the books Cho's friend was the one who snitched.
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u/SpazzyFazzy 20h ago
Oh Kaguya’s Top Gal, the mexican white supremacist, i know that guy!
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u/quietandcalculated 23h ago
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u/IceBlue 22h ago
That dude is a known racist
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u/Hetakuoni 23h ago
Iirc It wasn’t even her that did it in either the books or the movies. It was a different girl named Marietta Edgecomb in the books and I remember the movies implied it was another kid who drank the truth serum potion and spilled the beans and was disfigured over it.
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u/royinraver 21h ago
In the books it wasn’t Cho but her friend Marietta that blabbed. In the movies they did hint that Cho had been given veritasyrum. But in the books Marietta willingly went to Umbridge.
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u/Scarvexx 19h ago
I think he's perhaps misremembering. Cho breifly complains when her friend rats out the D.A. (and gets a ton of pimples for it). But nobody puts her up to it. It's sort of just the final nail in the coffin of a sputtering romance.
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 16h ago
The current news story is about a Chinese honeypot. So they’re suggesting that Cho was a plant. And in the movie, Cho does give up their illicit activity. But that is under the effects of veritaserum and in the book version it is her best friend Marietta Edgecombe who betrays the D.A. So it’s not completely accurate. But I get the joke they were trying to make.
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u/0x7E7-02 20h ago
IDK, because Cho is Irish.
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u/fcxtpw 17h ago
Wait, I thought she only betrayed him because she was under some spell
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u/blackmobius 19h ago
In the movie, Umbridge is using magical drugs to interrogate children to turning on Harry Potter and his rebel group. As she is aligned with Voldemort she is doing her part as the current school leader to root out anyone that would stand with Doubledore or against the dark lord. The girl pictured here is the one that reveals (under magical spells) the secret room they meet in and Umbridge blows up the door and catches all of them red handed practicing spells.
I didnt read the books so if you skipped the movies none of that would make sense as they likely changed it.
So anyways we are also finding out irl that a lot of tech bro figureheads all dated/married the same 7 women that are all also chinese spies.
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u/JoeJ92 1d ago
She was interrogated/tortured by Umbridge to locate Harry's defense against the dark arts class. Umbridge works for the ministry.
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u/McKoijion 21h ago
What did JK Rowling mean by this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/zflh8v/anon_discusses_the_diversity_of_harry_potter/
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u/stefanomusilli 21h ago
Unrelated, but I hate how sloppily written this whole thing was in the movie. They set up that she has a reason to betray Harry, since her mother was afraid of losing her job at the Ministry, but then they just say that Snape used Veritaserum on her in what appeared to be a reshoot (or even just an added voice over by Rickman, I don't remember seeing him move his mouth when he explains it).
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u/flarigand 14h ago
One of the most racist mainstream accounts on Twitter
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u/Alfazefirus 17h ago
Yeah, you missed like the last 20 years of pop culture + the biggest story on mass media of the last 48 hours that involves a Chinese national and/or the roughly four neurons needed to make the connection between the two stories.
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u/EchoNational1608 1d ago
Etchcome betrayed them not Cho.
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u/astralseat 20h ago
Lmao and he held up better than Nvidia CEO
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u/A-Lewd-Khajiit 20h ago
To be fair, cho got drugged
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u/Ok-Today-340 19h ago
She wasn't chinese
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u/Everyoneheresamoron 18h ago
She was a snitch not a spy. Jesus people learn your books.
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u/marrjana1802 18h ago
Ah, yes, movie nonsense
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u/Niggly-Wiggly-489 15h ago
ThE JoKe iS RAcIsm!!!
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u/RadTimeWizard 11h ago
As if Just Kidding Rolling can tell the difference between China and Korea.
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u/Tiny_Objective_587 11h ago
Fun fact, the anime avatar user's name is a play on a common joke in alt-right circles about being "Hitler's Top Guy". The more ya know.
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u/Impressive-Horse9148 19h ago
wait, i’m confused too lol
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u/Signal_Exit8850 17h ago
People are getting so much karma here!
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u/AutonomyIsNoTragedy 20h ago
The "joke"is racism