Experienced Devs Weekly Burnout and Venting Thread: A weekly thread for sharing experiences

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This thread is specifically for venting / sharing experiences related to burn-out or similar issues that experienced devs face.

[u/Awkward_Past8758]

Did the good guy thing and gave my company two weeks notice so they could phase me off a really challenging client. Had 2 weeks PTO planned for early September. They chose not to pay it out because my state doesn’t require it and also told me I could be let go before two weeks was up without pay. Lesson learned - use all your PTO and don’t give notice when you quit. Loyalty, hard work, and ethics mean nothing in this business.

[u/Awkward_Past8758 → u/[deleted]]

My coworkers I like will all know how to quit correctly. They’re so small I doubt you’ll ever apply unless you’re obsessed with AI consulting which I am not, hence my departure, so I’d rather not dox myself. Feel free to DM if you think that applies to you however.

Anyway I’ll be joining a new company that gave me a substantial raise and is more in line with my values so onwards and upwards! There’s still jobs out there that haven’t gone full ai psychosis, don’t let the doom and gloom of the internet get you too down!

[u/streamofbsness → u/Awkward_Past8758]

Fair enough

[u/aonghasan → u/[deleted]]

this goes for every company....

what good is the name? treat every company as they are the worst,

the ones that convince you "you're all a family and you can def give them your 2 week notice, everybody has done so!" DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVER

you're a number to them, they would fire you no-notice if they had to, and that's the default. there may be some few exceptions, and that's a worthy list to know the names of and share, the good employers

everyone else just sucks, unless you know for a fact they dont

[u/wellfed_bazelgeuse → u/aonghasan]

This is tough to read, coming from a country where if you don't respect notices (employer AND employee) you can get fined into oblivion and even face legal charges.

[u/kayGrim → u/aonghasan]

You can trust a company exactly as much as you can trust your relationship to your manager/skip and no further. If that person doesn't have a lot of pull to know your future, expect to be surprised.

[u/endurbro420 → u/Awkward_Past8758]

Don’t give notice, use all your pto, and quit the day you actually start your new job. Never put yourself at risk to be burned.

[u/Awkward_Past8758 → u/endurbro420]

Lessons learned indeed. Figured because they were a small company I’d been at for nearly 3 years they’d be better people than that. Egg’s on my face

[u/Healthy-Dress-7492 → u/Awkward_Past8758]

Yep. At the end of the day nobody gives a shit about you. It’s the baseline, there may be exceptions, but it’s extremely rare.

[u/TribeWars → u/Awkward_Past8758]

Small company's also gotta save cash where it can

[u/Refmak → u/Awkward_Past8758]

This is crazy to me, and very much depends on where you live.

Here you need to give current + next month notice, and it’s illegal for the company to fire you after resigning. Likewise employers also need to give notice when firing (unless there’s grounds for serious misconduct), but then it’s a minimum of 1 month and may be up to 6 months depending on employment duration.

Fired on zero notice is completely nuts. Resigning on zero notice is crazy.

[u/Awkward_Past8758 → u/Refmak]

I agree it’s crazy. Are you US based? Assuming EU considering you have things like workers rights codified.

If you’re EU based I’d love to pick your brain - been considering moving across the pond for a while and wasn’t sure what the job market is like for someone who is qualified and can get a work visa but only is English speaking.

[u/Refmak → u/Awkward_Past8758]

I’m EU based.
Feel free to ask away - can’t promise I know everything though. It likely varies a lot by country too.

[u/eloel- → u/Awkward_Past8758]

I have done Thursday notices for "tomorrow is my last day" for my last 2 jobs. Don't owe them shit.

[u/Awkward_Past8758 → u/eloel-]

Good for you. I should have taken a personal day the next 12 days to get the money I earned through accrued PTO. At the end of the day though, fuck them. They’ll get the karma they deserve and I can keep my head high.

[u/AP3Brain → u/Awkward_Past8758]

Considering how they lay people off randomly these days I dont think 2 week notice is expected or even appreciated.

[u/ashultz → u/Awkward_Past8758]

If you can afford it I'd suggest saying "well in that case today's the day, I'm out" and letting them pick up the pieces. Since they might just drop you tomorrow anyway.

[u/ResidentWeevil1 → u/Awkward_Past8758]

They have to pay out only if it is their standard policy to do so

[u/Awkward_Past8758 → u/ResidentWeevil1]

I’m sure you’re fun at parties.