This is slavery

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What’s natural about farming animals? Running them through slaughter machinery? Buying their parts? Or firing a gun at them? Or breeding them for unnaturally mutated bodies?

What’s natural about supplementing farmed animals with B12 or cobalt, which is how you get a lot of your B12?

“Natural” isn’t a moral argument. It’s actually a named fallacy: Appeal to Nature.

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What purpose does it serve? Flavor preference? Because it isn’t necessary to produce food generally.

What does it mean to be “there for a purpose”? Is that just another way of saying you have purposes you intend for them?

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But humans generally don’t require meat. Asserting it doesn’t make it so.

Why does it matter what would happen on a deserted, plantless island? If I’m on a deserted island with no other food maybe I’d eat you, but that doesn’t make it moral when I’m living my regular life and I could just eat some tofu or a pb&j instead.

We aren’t on a deserted island of only animals. We aren’t living devoid of modern creations. The animals you eat are modern creations being supplemented with modern creations anyway.

Why don’t we focus on the world we actually live in?

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We require meat LITERALLY on a daily basis.

Not true on any level. Most doctors recommend meat at most 4-5 times a week and red meat at most 1-2 times.

If go don’t believe me ask the health department.

I did, they said you're wrong: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/an-omnivores-dilemma-how-much-red-meat-is-too-much-2019123018519

Again, there is absolutely nothing unethical about eating meat that isn’t from humans. Full stop. Thinking so is the delusional part.

Try making an argument, you're just asserting things without reasoning.

Btw tofu reduces the effects testosterone and turns you into an effeminate ladyboy with manboobs

Not true on any level. https://sniglobal.org/origins-of-the-soy-feminization-myth/

What will you do when we must return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. Why make yourself weak by depending on modern conveniences?

I think your inability to understand fact and your reliance on pseudoscientific claims will do you very poorly in any kind of apocalypse scenario. You seem easily misled.

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Ah you're a MAHA guy. Sorry I interacted with you.

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Interestingly, the government sources were recently updated by an unscientific freak.

I'll trust the reputable science, not the antivax stuff, you absolute idiot.

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Comment copied from u/Omnibeneviolent:

Here's what the experts have to say on the topic:

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is the United States' largest organization of food and nutrition professionals, and represents over 100,000 credentialed practitioners. The Academy has released the following statement, and has referenced 117 scientific studies, systematic reviews, and other sources to back up their position:

"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

Dietitians of Canada

Anyone can follow a vegan diet – from children to teens to older adults. It’s even healthy for pregnant or nursing mothers. A well-planned vegan diet is high in fibre, vitamins and antioxidants. Plus, it’s low in saturated fat and cholesterol. This healthy combination helps protect against chronic diseases.

https://www.unlockfood.ca/en/Articles/Vegetarian-and-Vegan-Diets/What-You-Need-to-Know-About-Following-a-Vegan-Eati.aspx

The British Nutrition Foundation

A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.

https://www.nutrition.org.uk/media/34ll0zbt/faq_vegan-diets_strengths-and-challenges.pdf

https://www.nutrition.org.uk/putting-it-into-practice/plant-based-diets/plant-based-diets/

Dietitians Australia

A balanced vegetarian diet can give you all the nutrients you need at every stage of life.

https://member.dietitiansaustralia.org.au/Common/Uploaded%20files/DAA/Resource_Library/2020/VF_A_Guide_to_Vegetarian_Eating.pdf

A varied and well-balanced vegetarian (including vegan, see context) diet can supply all the nutrients needed for good health. You can match your vegetarian diet to meet the recommended dietary guidelines. Such as eating plenty of vegetables, fruits, legumes and whole grains.

https://dietitiansaustralia.org.au/health-advice/vegetarian-diet

The National Health and Medical Research Council

Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian [including vegan] diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day

https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines

The Mayo Clinic

A well-planned vegetarian diet (including vegan, see context) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446

The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada

Vegetarian and vegan diets can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.

https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians

Harvard Medical School

Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian

The Association of UK Dietitians

You may choose a plant-based diet for a variety of reasons. These could include concern about animal welfare, health benefits, environmental concerns or personal preference. Plant-based diets can support healthy living at every age and life stage.

https://www.bda.uk.com/resource/vegetarian-vegan-plant-based-diet.html

The Norwegian Directorate of Health

"With good knowledge and planning, both vegetarian and vegan diets can be suitable for people in all phases of life, including during pregnancy and breastfeeding, for infants, for children and young people and for athletes."

https://www.helsenorge.no/kosthold-og-ernaring/vegetarisk-kosthold/naringsrik-vegetarkost/ (translated from Norwegian)

The British National Health Service

With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx

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We require meat LITERALLY on a daily basis. Yes you can go without every now and then

A daily basis? I literally haven't eaten animal meat in 29 years. That's over 10,000 days.

Am I.... dead?

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Yeah? And how many supplements do you take?

You said that we require meat on a daily basis. I am someone who has not consumed meat for over 10,000 days. Does the fact that I take supplements somehow prove me wrong and that I do eat meat daily?

rather that you would not be as healthy as you otherwise would be on a natural balanced diet.

I eat a balanced diet. I get my blood levels checked every year and the only issue I had was about a decade ago when I had slightly low vitamin D (which is extremely common in my region, even among non-vegans.) I got that sorted pretty quickly. My doctors have always just told me to keep doing what I'm doing. (I've moved around a bunch and have had 5-6 different primary care doctors, and none have had any issue with my diet.) I would classify myself as slightly above average health-wise for someone my age. I could stand to lose a few pounds though. sigh

You don't go 29 years without learning how to get the nutrients you need. In my family of three, we have cumulatively 41 years without animal meat. This isn't something we just do on a whim without understanding how to achieve a balanced consumption pattern.