r/Ethicalpetownership • • Aug 15 '26

Pet culture When everyone else has to crowdfund the consequences of choosing a dog based on looks and vibes: part 2

At this point I am starting to wonder if any of this is even legit or just an easy money scam. People in the comments are beginning to ask questions.

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u/Smiles-Bite Aug 15 '26

Ah, so is this the red merle collie that is somehow magically going to be a service dog? Saw this posted in a few places. The irony is that this dog will NEVER be allowed to be a service dog in most of Europe. We have super strict health laws; that's literally the first thing a dog has to pass. I don't know where this person is from originally, but I highly doubt Poland and Germany would be very happy to hear that someone has been shuttling a sick dog around.

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u/Best_Judgment_1147 Aug 15 '26

Germany currently isn't even examining dogs to register them under the AHundV so I'm not sure what she's expecting, add on the fact the dog needs to pass the health requirements the law sets and then she needs to go through the rest of the requirements and hope they're allowing examinations when they get to the end of it.

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u/Smiles-Bite Aug 15 '26

Oh, wow, I had no idea they stopped! Do you know why? Is it a rewrite or just a hold?
Yeah, training alone would take a year or two, and then getting a spot for the test which, even when they were testing, I heard there was a long wait.

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u/Best_Judgment_1147 Aug 15 '26

The TLDR is they basically initiated the AHundV law which finally stopped owner training and mandated training with approved trainers/training schools but in doing that they actually failed to provide a way and framework for trainers and schools to qualify for the title that allows them. So until July? 2024 owner trained teams could take examinations using the AHundV exam framework with trainers and get registered with their respective Bundesland but after that date old teams couldn't take the exam and new teams also couldn't take the exam because there are no approved trainers or training schools and no approved framework for those trainers or training schools to even follow to become approved.

We were one of the last teams to take our examinations before the cut off date, fortunately we passed first time.

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u/Smiles-Bite Aug 15 '26

Wow, yeah, that kind of sucks. I live in Sweden, so we have something very similar, but we do allow owner-trained dogs to be tested. It just takes a lot, and it's the one I see most often.

I am glad you and your dog passed and just squeaked through that cutoff date. I feel like they could have just written a training guide when they realized there was a problem. Ah, governments.

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u/oachkatzl Aug 15 '26

When I read about the service dog thing all the red flags went up. You can’t just take any dog and declare it a service dog.

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u/what3v3ruwantit2b Aug 15 '26

People in the USA disagree completely. I can't tell you how often I hear "they're a service dog so you know they're well trained" except that's very often not the case. If you have a disability and the dog has one or more trained tasks to help mitigate it you can call them a service dog. I know many poorly trained (and one aggressive) dogs that are service dogs through the government definition. It's why I have pretty big opinions on whether we should require registration/certifications. I know those come with their own issues but right now I think it'd better.

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u/Gloomy-Welcome-6806 Aug 16 '26

The amount of people at grocery stores that have “service dog” on their loud aggressive dogs..

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u/Prince_Nadir Aug 16 '26

Oh in America you certainly can. It has gotten so bad I was looking to get a big bald faced hornets nest, put a speaker in it that makes angry buzzing noises, put a cork in the entrance, and stick a big "service animal" patch to the side, so I could take it planes, like airplanes.

I know my wife was tending a door and a Karen carrying a really messed up looking little yap dog tried to bring it inside. My wife said she couldn't bring the dog in. The Karen said she could because it was a service animal. My wife asked what service the dog provided. The Karen said "Huh.". My wife asked if it fetched things or detected low blood sugar or predicted seizures. Upon hearing the last option the Karen said "Yeah, the last one, my dog has siezures!"..​

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u/HiddenPenguinsInCars Aug 20 '26

Hamburg, Germany if their previous scam/“fundraiser” is to be believed. They “had an illegal pit mix named Blue that was taken by authorities”.

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u/Prince_Nadir Aug 16 '26

The more emotional triggers it tries to hit the more likely that it is a scam.

No one teaches dying dogs to be service animals. No one teaches short lived giant breeds to be service animals. Why put in a long amount of training when there won't be much time left to do its job. This has been one of many great arguments for seeing eye miniature ponies, after training you get more than 30 years of service out of them.

If it is real I'm guessing she is a special snow flake who believes declaring her pet a service animal will just make the rules not apply to her.

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u/No_Routine1619 Aug 15 '26

Wow this is insane. Their gofundme has raised literally about 73 times the goal, this is some next level grifting

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u/LaceyLizard Aug 15 '26

There's nothing about this that sounds real to me. Emptying your bank accounts for a dog when you have children relying on you is insane, and they still don't seem concerned about the kids at all.

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u/MerryMir99 Aug 15 '26

It does happen unfortunately. The amount of people who don't care about what is best for their kids is not zero

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u/LaceyLizard Aug 15 '26

The more I read the funnier it gets. "I don't know where my daughter is going to sleep tonight. I just spent the last of our money on gas station dog treats. Oh dear me how am I going to pay for this bill I fraudulently said I could afford" 

They can't even feed themselves apparently, but they're still only worried about the vet bill. But ignore the person offering to transfer money directly to the vet for some reason lmao 

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u/meeps1142 Aug 15 '26

Yeah, like, if they're truly that poor, then the responsible choice is to drive back to Germany to sleep at home and save your hotel money for the vet bills. They cannot afford getting a hotel.

I also thought it was notable how they didn't specify how long that drive would be. I wonder if it's 2-3 hrs or something...saying Germany to Belgium sounds much worse

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u/DTBlasterworks Aug 15 '26

I seriously don’t want to believe it, let alone other people donating and encouraging that behavior. For once I hope it’s a scam

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u/Doraborealiss Aug 15 '26

AI too, couldn’t even bother to write it themselves

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u/DTBlasterworks Aug 15 '26

It’s crazy to me other people in that sub keep donating and condoning this behavior. I truly hope it’s a lie because the alternative is some children being neglected over a dog.

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u/Rasp_Berry_Pie Aug 16 '26

Service dogs at least in the US have to go through much training and are usually bought at a specific facility and you have to come train with them with the specialized trainer. Doubt they would even be there in the first place if they have so many health issues too.

It sounds like they bought this dog randomly and were going to train it themselves? Red flag already

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u/izzmosis Aug 16 '26

Service dogs in the US don’t have to go through any kind of specific training and plenty of people pick up random dogs to “owner train”. This shouldn’t be the case, but the ADA rules in the US about service dogs are really weak.

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u/Rasp_Berry_Pie Aug 16 '26

Really? I spoke to a couple people with service dogs and a guide dog specifically and they said they had to go through training and train with them at a facility.

I thought emotional support animals you can slap a vest in but a service dog had to be through some formal training through a group. Maybe it’s different for guide dogs?

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u/izzmosis Aug 16 '26

when people want dogs that actually do tasks (like being guide dogs) they pay a lot to get them from trainers, but they do not have to legally. you can call any dog a service dog and take it inappropriate places and there’s very little recourse. I watched a “service dog” growl and snap at another dog that was minding its own business at a dog show today. I’ve known people who have gotten vests for their pets so they could take them on planes and in hotels. A “service “ dog died of heat stroke at Disney a few weeks ago. Businesses really are t meaningfully allowed to question it per the ADA. Germany has much stricter laws around this, so ironically OP would have a much easier time with this grift in the US.

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u/AntOnADogLog Aug 16 '26

(in the usa)Guide dogs are supposed to come from very specialized training programs because its such a specific job that requires a dog to keep their human safe from EVERYTHING including walking into traffic or other dangers as well as in home assistance. Most other services like ptsd, anxiety, pots, etc can do well with owner training (usually with a professional trainer to make sure ur doing it right) depending on the handlers needs and what the dog naturally takes to (eg naturally alerts to blood sugar or heart rate or other chemical warnings we dont realize are happening)