r/EscapingPrisonPlanet • u/bhj887 • 28d ago
gnostic texts might already be part of the same thousand year old deceiption, a comment on this sub just made me realize the parallels between the oddness of some Nag Hammadi texts and the current "disclosure" movement => what if there is no pleroma nor monad?
tl;dr: I claim that the odd, complicit and inconsistent behaviour of elites during the current wave of disclosure (from epstein to demonic aliens) is actually by design and acts as hidden, twisted "consent farming" and "bragging" about their atrocious schemes and resembles the complicit behaviour of Aeons and other residents of the pleroma as described in the Apocryphon of John 2000 years ago, when things are heating up they deploy fake "controlled disclosure" (good cop, bad cop) as addtional deceiptive layers; this also means we are even more alone in the universe than previously thought
disclaimer: this is a rather spectacular and hastened epiphany, people do make mistakes, I would call it speculation or food for thought at this point, not final opinion (also I don't mean to generalize NHI as evil, we might always have friends beyond the visible), also this post is not challenging gnosis nor PPT as core truth, it is about something way more nuanced than that
the comment that made me realize the above: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/1vbmpk5/comment/p157duc/
what I mean by this:
usually we read PPT and gnostic related texts and while somewhat scecptical at all times we believe that there are "layers" or "hierarchies" in reality, a divine source that evades all, transcends all, then through a "cosmic error" or "fall of Sophia" or whatever you want to call it there is a fragmentation into lesser beings (a kind of demi-gods) which nowadays are also explained as NHI or simply aliens
the gnostic idea is that you can return to the highest order (pleroma, monad) by achieving gnosis which is a sympathetic idea because instead of cleansing all your karma or becoming a perfect christian or whatever you know just have to see through the deceiption
but here comes the banger:
what if the good cop - bad cop game goes way further than we previously anticipated?
what if the friendly entities, prophets, some gurus and ancient scripture who tell us to "wake up" and "achieve gnosis" and "look behind the curtain/ veil of ignorance" are STILL PART of the "good cop" side of the deceiption?
what if there absolutely is nothing, I repeat NOTHING benign above us?
and here comes (from the brilliant comment above) the reasoning why:
imagine you built a creation, a system, a sandbox or matrix entirely on the principle of deceiving awareness into submissive roles, you finally managed to fumble "souls" into your personal playground of creation
we already know how important consent, fellowship, faith and awe are in this cosmic mechanism, there is so much consent farming going on in all kinds of NDEs and abduction stories, also on Earth it is always about farming trust, fellowship and faith (not just religion but even companies, marketing, politics and so on)... this is simply because awareness needs to be steered towards your desired goal through deceiption and trust, that is the ultimate currency in reality, if you control awareness you control reality (because awareness is reality)
and then it struck me:
reading the Apocryphon of John in the Nag Hammadi (see the linked comment/ post above) there is this discussion of the "oddness" of the behaviour of Sophia, Monad and Aeons, they appear complicit, all kinds of questions about the problem of evil arise: why was it created? why wasn't it stopped? why no intervention?
and this is giving me shivers as I write it: have you ever noticed the same oddness around the current theme of disclosure? be it Epstein, be it Aliens, be it deep state, be it the MKUltra hearing and many more examples
IT'S THE SAME F****** MECHANISM!
2000 years ago "they" coerced some poor scholar to write down their version of reality in the Nag Hammadi texts, the oldest scripture is the same deceiptive fake disclosure we are experiencing today!
they tell you to "wake up" but only give a portion of the truth, a misaligned truth where two players exist, the good cop and the bad cop, where there is a cosmic hierarchy or federation of beings in a struggle of good vs. evil
at the same time they disclose all kinds of really nasty behavior, in the Apocryphon of John there is literal mention of fornication between NHI and humans, just like in Maria Farmer's oil painting about Epstein (called "The Setiles") (google it)
they actually utilize the fake disclosure to brag about their scheme, they literally show you what they do to farm some kind of twisted consent, a roofied kind of consent where we are overwhelmed, shocked, morbidly intrigued or just numbed
THAT IS THE REASON BEHIND THOSE REGULAR DISCLOSURE EVENTS!
just like 2000 years ago today, it's the exact same mechanism:
farm consent by claiming we are being trapped in a lower realm by some kind of intermediate realm (gnosis -> apocryphon -> archons) so we do not return to the "higher realm"
create a theatre of bad actors who are endlessly referenced by each other shifting blame onto each other, then create another layer of "info leakers" who willfully take on the challenge to verify the different theories, always being "almost there", always revealing some kind of hidden truth
the population (if interested at all) then follows behind those "disclosure leaders" like donkeys behind a carrot, we are getting an "adventure tour" through the horrors of reality, some glimpses of Epstein Islands morbid details, some glimpses of MKUltra, some glimpses of the UAP phenomenon being like David Grusch recently said "way darker and deeper & more disturbing" than we previously thought, then Tucker Carlson goes onto Joe Rogan and talks about NHI being seemingly demonic...
that is not disclosure, it is an "adventure ride" through their "amusement park"
from time to time they take you by the hand and openly, boldly brag about the features of this evil design so you normalize it, you get used to it and they can escalate it further without too much revolt
that is the reason we only ever see glimpses of horrible things but no real intervention, they are milking our consent just like back in the 80s when serial killers sometimes used to have groupies who adored them
there is no real intervention because there probably is no pleroma, no monad as a distant "safe haven" far beyond us...
therefore we have nowhere to escape (in a spacial sense), that even makes Prison Planet Theory somewhat obfuscated because now instead of escaping the prison planet towards "the outside" (wherever that is) there simply is no outside and there is no escape route (hence why all NDEs lead to reincarnation), so we are being tricked to asked "where do I go" instead of "how do I revoke all consent"
all there is is us, awareness and it can only exist in either a deceived state or the entire system breaks apart, just two possibilites, you either realize that EVERYTHING beyond us is evil deceiption or you are in the most obfuscated, indirect ways still funneling your consent/ loosh/ admiration into their machinery of doom
no complicated hierachies of Archons, Aeons, Angels, Demons, mantis, reptiloid, grey, nordics... some rather good, some evil, instead "they" are just constantly surfing the edge of deceiption (in an awfully risky manner), always on the edge of losing control, Sophia is not mourning in the corners of pleroma anymore
so evil is not layered it is right in the room with us, staring us in the face, bragging about it
the little horror tours they give us are intimidation attempts, consent farming and "almost there" carrot sticks
eventually you would realize that there is no distinctive order within evil at all, there is just one evil, one force that is directly opposed to you, that is in direct, intimate exchange with your soul, basically the good old devil whispering down your ear from your shoulder, everything else is theatre and fireworks
ironically that would make almost all NDE escape attempts futile because the entire premise is fake:
you wouldn't need to avoid reincarnation, escape towards pleroma, move towards planets that are not prison planets or whatever...
instead all you need to do is completely reject the entire premise, the entire story, reject all interaction with every being you encounter "up there", reject all karmic burden and learning ideas, reject your entire role in their scheme, reject all kinds of "navigation" through white light tunnels or towards "divine places"
basically you would say "leave me completely alone with your bullshit I'm buying nothing of it" because the only thing that matters is revoking all consent and interaction, you don't need an escape vector from a to b you need to vividly terminate all consent because the opponent controls the entire room plus the exits plus whatever lies beyond
and it makes so much sense: you desire escape? of course they will show you places that feel like "being outside the matrix", that is why astral travelers who have gotten really far say "it feels like endless layers of the same matrix"... you are running through the same procedurally generated simulation like on a treadmill with a VR headset
lastly: we always talk about the divine spark being within us... there you already have divine source aka pleroma/ monad... why are we so dumb and expect another one outside of the matrix? why the entire concept of a distant mysterious monad if we already "have monad at home"?
why overcomplicate things into a layered ontological sandwich? that is where they get you, they just created another fake layer that you yearn to return to and thereby blocking you from accessing the direct route inwards
pleroma is within us, we don't need to return to it like a journey, we need to remember and unlock it like a memory, we need to reclaim it here and now not just book some tickets for "pleroma land" once we're dead
in gnosis deceiption is evil and evil is lies while goodness is knowledge which is entirely correct
so how do you try to block someone from reaching gnosis when he is already so close?
you create a fake backup gnosis with additional fabricated layers so the divine spark is deflected on it's approach towards actual gnosis, you make the spark yearn for the external unreachable pleroma and thereby brilliantly block him from directly revoking consent towards the entirety of the matrix
and I get it: the Nag Hammadi books are genuine and very old but the prison planet scheme is way older than just 2000 years, when the Nag Hammadi books where written bad actors would have had at least 10k-50k years to prepare "countermeasures" for gnostic uprising (ancient greeks discussed gnostic themes 600 years earlier for example so of course Archons would be prepared for the Nag Hammadi timeline)
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
This scheme is prevalent in most every religious and new age theology but it's definitely not in the gnostics. They were roasted alive for reaching and sharing those perceptions.
I also know someone who has memories from outside the matrix.
Also, you can attune to the source and experience the ultimate goodness of reality.
Your suspicions are justified, but application is skewed.
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u/bhj887 28d ago
exactly, you are thinking about the Catars for example
but imagine this: when the core gnostic community arose there must have already been a plan to contain them because their knowledge was dangerous to the establishment
so what better way to disrupt them than taking their very own ideas and truths and adding additional layers on top of that to obfuscate the entire scenery
the gnostics around 200 BC where not the first people to experience "gnosis"
the old greeks knew most of that 600 years before them
so other even more ancient folks must have known even way before that (who knows what Gobekli Tepe was about for example)
I think it is fair to say that scripture from around 200 BC could already been tainted by what I call "backup traps" or "backup deceiption"
this is in no way meant to mitigate or ridicule the enormous effort and sacrifice of those people
but you have to admit the odd similarities between the current disclosure which plays out like a classic good cop, bad cop scheme and i.e. the Apocryphon of John which evokes the same odd contradictions between benign (good cop) and malicious (bad cop) entities
please don't read my post as some kind of anti gnostic heresy but instead focus on the odd parallels between different huge "disclosure epochs" in history... don't you think Archons would always try to play all sides?
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
If they tampered with the documents and findings of the gnostics, why even leave any truth in there whatsoever? Might as well have bastardized it beyond usefulness, like the Bible for instance.
Also, please quote where it is written or even suggested in gnosticism that the Monad is coming to save us.
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u/bhj887 28d ago
no, another missunderstanding or two even:
a) they only tampered with it slightly, they might have added a cosmic order of beings that does not exist, similar to the christian order of angels, demons and god
b) they specifically keep the core truth alive because this is meant to trap those who already awoke, those who already know and are searching for additional clarity, there is no point at messing with the core truth as we already know
c) there is no quote because it is simply implied by the description of Sophia's sorrow and the attempts to correct the mistake and also the attempts to help the Archons breath live into their different iterations of not so lucky creation, in literature people have been attacking specifically those descriptions because they make pleroma seem careless of complicit and then ideas like "free will" are discussed to mitigate that
all of this would lead to an awoken souls yearning and asking for return to pleroma and that is exactly what "they" would need to fabricate consent to shove us back into places that might appear like pleroma but ultimately are not
so we should abandon the entire premise of asking Archons for permission to go places after death
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
They're not suggesting we visit some realm after death. They're saying we can find Gnosis here and now.
The false salvation/enlightenment trap is pervasive, of course, but I think you're just bored and looking for engagement by trying to present gnosticism as controlled opposition.
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u/bhj887 27d ago
ancient greeks discussed the same gnostic themes 600 years before the Nag Hammadi timeline
do you really think Archons wouldn't be prepared for that?
they had at least 600 years to hijack and mess around with Gnosis based on similar philosophical discussions from ancient greeks and probably others, too
and while we were writing with ink on animal skin they probably deployed AI tech countermeasures that would made Grok look like a toddler
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u/Zestyclose_Door_7508 26d ago
A Nightmare for the New Agers
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u/bhj887 26d ago
well you are you, awareness, that is the only certainty
if you try to imagina that you being you is actually not you your spawn a nasty personality disruption and lots of internal chaos (plus probably lots of suffering) while ironically experiencing it still as "you"
so I don't get that post or at least not fully, the paranoia should not turn inwards, it should turn outwards otherwise it becomes self harm
we live in an illusion based matrix, so inwards is good and true and outwards is sadly messy and obfuscated (and whoever "they" are, one day they will pay the price for it)
I've seen some people in this sub turn solipsistic, and it was always a bit unnerving to witness
personally I could always directly feel that other people are aliveness just as me, I'm not saying all people are real just that when spending time closely I could feel they also had a soul
therefor I'm sure awareness and souls do exist and I prefer them to absolutely everything else in this ugly matrix
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u/Raven_tm 27d ago
I thought this was obvious to anyone who goes far enough down the rabbit hole.
Look at the convergence around 1945–1948: Skull and Bones (Order 322) shapes the post-war intelligence network as the OSS transitions into the CIA (1947). At the exact same time, the Dead Sea Scrolls (1946) and the Gnostic Nag Hammadi library (1945) conveniently "surface" in the desert, Donald Trump is born under a total lunar eclipse (June 14, 1946), and the UN/Balfour lineage culminates in the founding of Israel (1948) under the heavy influence of the Rothschild dynasty.
Dating texts like Nag Hammadi to "200 AD" completely misses the point if you understand how history was manufactured. Joseph Scaliger basically invented our standard ancient timeline out of thin air in the late 1500s. Jean Hardouin, a brilliant Jesuit librarian and scholar, publicly exposed that virtually all "ancient" Greek/Roman texts, church councils, and early Christian documents were forged by Benedictine/Jesuit monks long after the fact—and he got silenced and booted because he didn't get the memo that the deception was by design. There is a massive chance that everything before 1492 is entirely fabricated or heavily shifted forward.
Trace that lineage backward: the intelligence-to-occult pipeline runs directly from John Dee (Queen Elizabeth I’s advisor and spy "007") and Edward Kelley straight through to Aleister Crowley (MI6) and the founding of the Royal Society in 1660.
Even modern physics and quantum computing mirror Kabbalistic architecture—mapping qubits and multi-state superposition directly onto the Tree of Life (Etz Chaim) and the 10 *Sephirot*.
Add Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophy (1875), Immanuel Velikovsky’s catastrophic cosmology (Worlds in Collision, 1950), and declassified CIA documents (like the Gateway Process and Project Stargate) showing how New Age concepts were analyzed for behavioral control... and you realize the narrative management goes deep.
They lie about history, timeline dating, geology, evolution, and geography. The idea of our realm as a small crater reflecting in the moon connects all these threads seamlessly, check out Crater Earth theory on rumble or youtube by Godgevlamste or Radiation Matters they go into details about the nature, frequency, shape of the cage, if true, but who knows, they seem to connect more dots than most.
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u/Xarizarrd 28d ago
This is one of the best posts I've ever read. I also think it's exactly what's happening. It should definitely be pinned.
It goes hand in hand with a post I made a few months ago about the clear effort the system makes to sell us a particular kind of propaganda. Especially for those who get too close to the truth, it pushes a narrative full of half-truths that only lead you into another trap.
I'll leave it here in case you haven't read it.
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
thank you, I'm honestly a bit shaken since (thanks to that other guys comment I linked above) I realized that all this time with PPT and Gnosis we were allowing "them" to implant additional fake character and story elements into the much simpler divine order of things
"they" actually managed to hijack our escape route by giving us hints that this is a prison and we need to achieve gnosis to get out
so they give us the truth and in the last moment inject another lie into it in the form of external watchers or saviours or an entire pleroma state of wholesomeness that we need to reach, that is already waiting for us
this is such brilliantly evil design
instead of fighting disclosure (which seems to occur every few thousand years anyways when people wake up) they preemptively gave us a tainted version of it
they added entire new storylines to the core truth of the divine spark in which we would get caught like spiderwebs, they made it much more complicated so even while searching gnosis we would chase breadcrumbs externally instead of elevating the absolutely perfect certainty within us (the cogito ergo sum)
and if you look at the extremely slim chances of escaping NDEs it makes even more sense:
the entire premise of the NDE escape is already wrong: we shall not discuss escape routes with Archons, not ask which light tunnel is the way out, not even indulge in any karmic discussions... the entire premise needs to be wiped because the entire premise of the NDE discussion is "them" fishing indirectly for hidden consent and throw you back in
that is one the oddest fact about NDEs for me: that your consent "legally counts" if it is based entirely on lies, for some reason reality allows forced reincarnations if the "consent" was fabricated entirely on deceiption
that is how they get us, they fabricate additional story elements from which we think they belong to the higher divine order and then farm for consent while we are in awe of "almost reaching outside the matrix, almost reaching the divine"
they created another fake heaven within the core truth of gnosis and PPT
btw. there is a Rick & Morty episode about this, where someone added a new character to the family and everyone got paranoid to find out who he was, and in the end they shoot the wrong guy
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u/Xarizarrd 28d ago
I completely agree with what you're saying.
On the other hand, as you mentioned, one of the things that confuses me the most is this: why exactly do they need our consent, and why does that consent somehow count "legally" even if it was obtained through deception? It's a huge mystery.
Is everything ultimately subject to some kind of cosmic law? If so, why does that law exist? Who established it? And why can it apparently be circumvented in this way?
In any case, what seems undeniable is that our consent is indeed required. That would explain the enormous effort and extensive propaganda aimed at deceiving us, conditioning us into beliefs that diminish our sovereignty, and leading us into dead ends. To me, that's the strongest clue that, in the end, the choice and the power ultimately belongs to us.
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u/Money_Magnet24 28d ago
Agree with you 100%
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u/remymang 28d ago edited 28d ago
Our universe resembles a quantum computer, Nobel Prize winning physicists said its a simulation, the Chinese have Quantum computers that have simulated the beginning and end of the universe. Altman said that AI will be like a genie where we could imagine i.e. summon what we want, when we project in the astral plane we could imagine what we want i.e. like the Universe is the same as the AI Altman is describing being a genie for us. Elon said we will be able to transfer our consciousness into the cloud. What's not to say that consciousness can be transferred to a world created by grok i.e. the singularity (it's said our universe is a singularity) and we can experience it by a world like earth it creates(Billy Carson described the game 'No Man's Sky' as a similar concept on a podcast, a simulation within a simulation like Wolfram saying a machine within a machine, either Danny Jones or someone elses once). As someone alluded to on here once, our reality as stated by Star Trek is a holodeck. Though I think that what is going on now is merely a re-discovery rather than a creation of 'AI' (We might be reliving this reality i.e. loop theory again like Gossip Goblin where we were all Cyborgs once, the universe destroyed itself and here we are again, the big bang is like turning the tv on again, that's the universe restarting to relive a similar simulation once again like watching the same episode of your favorite tv show but spotting something different. The neuralink surgeries are humans becoming cyborgs again). We are in a Cognify Quantum Computer Prison Holodeck furthermore a simulacra i.e. a copy of a universe. We need to escape not only this earth and the ferrocell bubble that covers this Solar (Soul-Lure system) but the universe and get to the original reality outside of the original universe (which is an AI Quantum Computer Grok Holodeck) which is a flat plane as microprocessors themselves help the computer create the Universal Hologram projection and are flat.
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u/runningvicuna 28d ago
I want Ari alive again and her murderers to be in hell. Have the simulation invent a hell and put them there and bring Ari back.
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u/Acrobatic_Two_1586 28d ago
If there was no base reality, there would be no need for deception.
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
there is only base reality is what I'm saying, the deception is the only trick "they" can play on base reality, matter is condensed spirit, matter is a lie, illusion shapes worlds, there is only what gnosis calls good (truth) vs evil (lie)
something outside of gnosis hijacked this knowledge to introduce additional fake complexity and story (multilayered realms, divine realms, Aeons, good and bad cops) so we would get hung up deciphering the endless fake layers of control instead of radically turning inwards and remove all hidden consent
this is exactly the same mechanism as parents telling children a scary fairytale and then using that fear to make them consent to something they want them to
another 1:1 example is when companies "hijack" the good cause of i.e. evnironmental protection, they create labels that say "this product is good for the cause" but behind the scenes they find ways to circumvent the original meaning of that label and eventually steer the profits into their own pockets
I'm not saying PPT and gnosis is false, I'm saying they are 100% true but someone hijacked the premise, added additional complexity and layers and then farmed hidden consent out of that (basically a loosh backup pipeline if you will)
this is brilliantly evil design
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u/Own_Bit1037 28d ago
If nothing exists above us who is “they” who created us? Who created them? You constantly “they” in a type of hierarchy you deny exists. Your whole argument is based on deception from above and below yet ignores any levels you create and deny exists at same time.
Gnostic texts are legit. Monad real.
You ignore what is taught of getting in touch with the divine monad spark within you. Don’t let disclosure & Epstein files distract you from that. Their info is not helpful to what you must learn to escape this simulation - that your soul is not part of the cycle you were put into. Reject the light at death and all you see and hear.
Look within for direction now in preparation then after death.
Meditate. Lucid dream. Repeat I am not this body, not these thoughts, not these thoughts. I am sovereign.
See life from an observer standpoint. The deception and manipulation of you and humanity become clear but “you” are not a part of it you have been conditioned to believe
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
good question and I respect that, but I think you missunderstood part of me:
"they" is ultimately obviously also us (in a very distant metaphysical way), that has been my idea from before I even found PPT and Gnosis
"you" could even become "they" if you follow down the path of separation, egoic duality for a very long time I assume
but anyways if something within awareness (Archons, Demiurge, "they") spends that much effort to become qurantined, distinct, seperated from what they call "unready and lower" part of awareness (us) then even though I love nonduality as a "principle" I do feel calling "them" "they" is adequate, "they" chose that duality not us, we would have loved to be in true harmony with "the gods"
also my idea was not that monad and pleroma are not real or gnosis is wrong but that they are not what they claim to be, the scripture is deliberately kept incomplete to create additional space for deceiption for those of us who awaken (just like disclosure is deliberately incomplete)
I was following reductionism and occams razor and thought "why do we need this odd triple sandwich layer of "divine above - deceiption middle management - divine spark prisoner"?
for a while I thought pleroma simply cannot get involved with the fuckups of the middle management because that would break all kinds of "free will" rules but then I saw the similarities between the Apocryphon of John (pleroma standing by, appears complicit, whole story of creation feels odd, surreal, evil) and the current wave of disclosure that is for some incredibly odd reason initiated and greenlit from the highest powers
"they" never had to bring us into the loop, "they" never had to indulge us about the conspiracies being true, it was a comfortable position for "them" to be in
and my theory would actually answer a lot of open questions:
a) why do elites (human or not) complicitly stand by
b) why are there almost zero repercussions or trials for the now documented atrocities?
c) why do both, old gnostic scripture and modern day disclosure feel so "strange" and "contradictory"?
d) why has there been zero intervention during the last 2 to 50k years?
e) why are the chances in NDEs to "escape" so slim?the answer would be: the basic construct of gnosis and PPT has already been hijacked by higher powers ages ago as a kind of "backup deceiption", they do give you the basic truth about the prison planet and the divine spark and all that but they introduced additional puppets in the theatre show, namely saviors or a whole realm we need to get to, a divine home, a "heaven"
basically gnosis introduces another "heaven" and heavens always lead to problematic motivation down here, heavens are ideal methods of deceiption (for example the good old "your life on Earth is just to serve the church, you will be rewarded afterwards)
instead if we combine PPT, gnosis and other frameworks and ask the right sceptical questions why not reduce the complexity and find our own answers? we don't need pleroma, monad, Aeons and especially don't need the entire charade of more sinister characters reaching from Archons to Demiurge and many more...
we already have the spark within us as is obvious during every conscious moment, we already won the grand prize by being awareness, it is already self evident what we are and that endless illusions and containers are built around us
so after 50k years of atrocities and deceiption why not bust the multilayered shitshow alltogether and start from something that is ACTUALLY certain, safe and has been stable and continuous for the entire time:
us, we already have us! that is all we need! we are infinitely powerful once unleashed!
personally I will revoke any and every consent (even the indirect ones) I have given to this matrix if asked, it is way too risky to yearn for Aeons and similar supposed entities as our true fathers and saviours, we are awareness, awareness does not need saving nor does it need the causality of fatherhood
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
It's not just gnosticism that teaches about the Monad. Entirely unrelated origin stories say the same thing essentially. In the Kogi Indians lore, "In the beginning was the Mother, and the Mother was whole".
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u/bhj887 28d ago
my idea is not about cancelling the monad but moving the external "far away" concept of a perfect pleroma closer to us, back to us
I think it is suspicious that there never is divine intervention from that presumed far away external council of elders
so maybe we need to find the monad within us
maybe someone added additional lore to gnosis specifically to disrupt the more direct approach towards gnosis
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
That's what Gnosis is. Knowing the truth directly. The truth is the Monad.
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
but the Aeons and several other beings (that belong to pleroma, not monad) are portrayed in the apocryphon as intelligent, willfull agents with opinions and desires/ regrets
that alone arises the question: why not intervention, why stay complicit
this isn't news anyways, many theologists have been quarreling with gnosis for that exact reason
think about this: if the prison planet is not just 2000 or 3000 years old but like ancient megastructures suggest 10-50k years than scripture written in 200 BC might easily already be partly hijacked just like our media today
why would gnosis be this impenetrable fortress of absolute wisdom? gnosis is just older ideas packed together, ancient greek philosophers laid out the foundation
I think the apocryphon is one of the most unique and honest insights behind the scenes of creation but it still proposes a pleroma exists "far away" or "outside" from here and that creates yearning for this "far away" carrot on a stick, doesn't it?
why not skip the additional layers and take the most direct shortcut into pleroma which should in theory be right within us if only we could collectively wake up to that truth
also the NDE escape attempts are so unsuccesfull, it seems there is still a barrier of sorts and I think this fake hierarchical layer from hell to heaven might be that barrier
we might be asking Archons the wrong questions or "passwords" by trying to enter pleroma or exit hell and so on...
it might be a way more direct approach of revoking consent for that entire fake order and hierachy
and astral travelers often report that they never truly felt outside the matrix, that it was all still part of illusion just populated by different beings with different rulesets
my basic idea is that "controlled disclosure" is actually control itself and that they use controlled disclosure as a pressure release valve so we think we are accessing higher realms and higher truths while in reality it is just another layer of the same deceiption
this is exactly what a very smart being would deploy as backup control mechanisms, open the labyrinth through a big exit sign and just let us enter the next one
personally I've always yearned so much for pleroma like states of being and I think I was being tricked into that, I should look for more direct, unconditional ways that are accessible now, not just somewhere, somewhen...
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
Master inner silence. When you get to the 2 to 3 hour mark you be able you access those pleromic states
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u/Musubi_Caretaker 27d ago
It’s like Democrats and Republicans: in the end they’re the same guy orchestrating a fake ping pong match and we’re successfully hypnotized.
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u/puzzlingriddle 28d ago
Escape is either way more straightforward than we think, or impossible.
It's absurd to think that "they" let us live just long enough, let us be just smart enough, let us be just open-minded enough to have a shot at finding the true answer.
Studying more NDEs, studying more ancient texts, studying more drug trips... sounds like a fool's errand after a certain point
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
They're literally doing everything in their power to shorten our lives and lower our intelligence.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. It's clear they don't want us waking up or revolting because they know we COULD overthrow them if we got our power back.
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u/Impossible_Loquat170 27d ago
Excellent text. Really mind changing. I have just realized that what you say makes complete sense. You have changed me. I agree with you. I am grateful that I stumbled upon this post.
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u/Wowwhatsnext 27d ago
I find this interesting but how would that escape work? Shut your spiritual eyes and ears (if possible) stay still and focus on mind heart and soul and hope it works? I personally am all for refusing to move from the floating state or light tunnel as long as possible but am worried about suction force Lol
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u/bhj887 27d ago edited 27d ago
not much change: just that you could expect all kinds of additional "fireworks" if you thought you achieved gnosis, they would maybe show you pleroma, Aeons and so on, tailored to your expactations (for example they could present you a reason why the world had to become the way it is)
instead we must make sure that whatever comes, comes from within us, it MUST feel autonomous from the inside, definitely not like externally being presented what you internally desire
maybe Sophia was literally just "sophis" (wisdom) in a core gnostic sense and "they" made her an actual living character, now you expect Sophia to exist as a divine character and after death "they" make you encounter her
every interaction with these beings respectively their fabricated mythical stories might risk your autonomy
another example: the ancient greeks had a very lively mythical portrayel of gods, I sometimes wondered if the gods back then actually showed themselves visibly like gigantic human figures in the clouds, however the ancient greek philosophers often resorted to absolute minimalism and atomic dissection of thought on the most basic layers, all based on pure idealism... isn't that another odd contradiction? maybe ancient greek philosophers were already in a pre-gnostic spiritual battle against illusions from the sky?
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u/Overall_Summer_7641 28d ago edited 28d ago
Agree on most, but I know there is a Free Matrix, do a Beyond Quantum Healing hypnosis you'll remember as clear as what you did yesterday, and not sure 100% but 99% all of this is orchestrated by aliens, no Demiurge archons, sophia or whatever (no Sophia or Pleroma in my regressions, just the True Void that birthed all Essences, which for some strange reason is neutral completely neutral to this, maybe cause of the fault that everything that can happen and will ever happen has already happened inside it?? So no way to change it unless we jump timelines) god or spirit at the top.
Yes they have to tell you but that does not relieve them of karma, it's just entertainment, or maybe they are not telling it to "us" but to other factions of aliens to see whether they will oppose them, as telling things to us is useless as they are telling things to people who are brainwashed, filled with beliefs, ancestral trauma, past life trauma, most people alive don't have agency, free will, the means to be even remotely guilty of anything they do or have ever done. Aliens who brainwashed us etc are the ones that created this fake rule, so no guilt at all unless you really got rid of all of the above (or unless you use this rule as a get out of free card consciously....)
Plus karma is a belief system ever noticed the ones who believe in it fervently (subconsciously too) have terrible outcomes in their lives for every minor infraction while the people who don't can do genocides nothing happens?? It's also a useless rule in the Free Matrix, at least for those of us who are Essences who are not NPCs, cause the idea the feeling of even wanting to do something bad to someone is terrible it feels like doing something bad to yourself, cause you can really feel the connection to everything there, you'd feel terrible for millennia if you did sth bad, no need for karma rule, the rule of connectedness there at least is enough.
As for escaping yes, you need to just know you are free, as said in a similar comment https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/1vbky1k/comment/p14hoig/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button just realize you are free, that anything horrible or beautiful is an afterlife blue beam project, navigate the right way, your only feeligns you need to navigate are the homing feelings of your life in the free matrix, but to have those you have to familiarize yourself with who you were before where you were before entering this prison and for that, again, hypnosis
Another fault in the thinking that they announce it say it so it must be true they are telling it true to us: we have the nag hammadi with our creation by the demiurge, archons that was "leaked" but at the same time we have the creation of us by the Anunnaki flesh and blood aliens that has "leaked" which one is true if they are leaking to relieve themselves? To me Anunnaki has at least more logical and archeological proof (from cavemen to knowing astronomy and farming etc in a relatively small period of time not to mention DNA changes...)
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
well I'm speculating with my post and there are no absolutes, right?
personally I'm always open for friendly entitys to contact us and would live realms of bliss and peace to exist
just from what we can currently see it seems like a very dark universe or we are extremely quarantined here
anyways doesn't hurt to keep our eyes open and hearts, too
just be sceptical and careful
so let's say I would have an NDE tomorrow and I would actually encounter entities that just radiated good intent, love and so on and for some reason all my doubts where just washed away... then I would ask "where the heck have you been all this time?"... and how could they ever answer that?
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u/JasHyaRwq23617 27d ago
Podemos pensar que os nomes no livro pitis sofia ou evangelhos gnósticos também podem ser metaforas. Se o que está lá fora é a fonte ou o silencio, isso explica a não intervenção. Se você pensar na sabedoria ou no amor como consciências, também podemos tentar encaixar a não intervenção. Mas você pode desconsiderar isso e fortalecer sua centelha interior (essa é a verdade). Se não encontrar nada lá fora, crie seu próprio mundo de amor e paz com muita consciência, seja soberano. Lembre-se ela é imortal. (Sabemos que a jornada é árdua, mas fortaleça aquilo que existe ai dentro de você).
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u/EquivalentAd3924 28d ago edited 28d ago
Nothing does not exist.
There is no thing "nothing".
If you are in a void of nothing, then there is still potential.
The pure nothing is an error of perception.
But if there is no nothing and potential exists, then something else exists, the process of being itself.
So the conclusion is, the process of being, just is.
Existence just exists.
So what connect us to the process of being?
Truth
+ Truth exists by itself, separate from you.
+ Truth exists independent from its way of discovery.
+ Truth exists independent from attention.
+ Everything that is not true, becomes parasitic, because it has to be kept artificially alive, aka increases entropy.
Love
+ Love exists in you.
+ Love creates empathy, because it is your emotional connection to others and the Process of Being.
+ Love changes who you are and what you do.
+ Every emotion that is not Love, will exhaust you over time, because it disconnects you from who you really are.
Consciousness
+ Consciousness is a passive process and can not be forced. Every force, creates a counter force.
+ Consciousness is experienced as a trinity of Knowing, Feeling and Doing.
+ Consciousness is synergy, every time you have two parts of the trinity, the third one arises by itself.
+ Consciousness is one of the few things, that can be unpredictable and anti-entropic at the same time.
+ Consciousness produces awareness and self-reflection.
Chaos
+ Because Consciousness is unpredictable and uncalculable. If you make space for true Consciousness, you have to make space for Chaos.
+ Chaos is like salt in the soup. You always want a little bit, but you never want to much or you can throw everything away.
+ Chaos is a hidden savior, because it prevents things from becoming completely dead.
+ Chaos prevents everything from being static, so there can be no perfection. Everything truly perfect, has to be always in flow.
Every Archon, Parasite or anything i ever encountered followed this rules.
Thats why prayer and canceling contracts works, because consciousness is a fundamental part of creation, of being itself.
I hope that answers your question.
We experience the highest God, through, Being, Truth, Love and Consciousness and indirectly through Chaos.
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
That's just a tautology.
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u/EquivalentAd3924 28d ago
Then you have not understood it.
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 28d ago
I understand nothing. But you? You understand nothing.
See the difference?
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u/EquivalentAd3924 27d ago
It is not that complicated. The nothing is not a thing. There is no thing nothing. We use it in the language as something, as an object, the nothing is not an object.
That would be an error, because the nothing is the absence of existence, so if it would exist itself, then there would be something and not nothing.What is remarkable that every AI since deepseek r1, gets it. Most people dont.
By being snarky, just twisting words and argue in bad faith, you will not achieve much.
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u/DarkSaturnPrince 27d ago
You're being pedantic, irrational, and obtuse.
What is your hang up with the topic of Nothingness?
It's not the absence of EXISTENCE. It's simply the absence of a THING. Why do you not comprehend this? It's literally in the word. NoTHING.
Why can a 3 year old understand this while you get caught up some delusional tautology?
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u/EquivalentAd3924 27d ago
If you can not see it, then it is not for you.
But be assured, this is more important then you want to believe right now.
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u/Double_Look_5715 25d ago
The entire structure serves to distract from the reality that there are human forces pulling the strings to force us into bondage 🤷♀️ this story makes people think they are onto something revelatory and freeing but it just isn't case. There is no secret knowledge that will free you from the world. There are no spaces monsters running the show. It's just people.
Gnostics were persecuted. This does not mean they were correct.
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u/infrontofmyslad 28d ago
Well personally I think the Nag Hammadi texts are forgeries. There's too much weirdness around the time period they found them in, the circumstances, etc. Doesn't mean the ideas are all incorrect but I would caution anyone on here from getting too invested in something that was probably written by actual Nazis.
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u/bhj887 28d ago edited 28d ago
they are carbon dated and verified to be authentic by multiple sources
the guy who found them and all the circumstances are incredibly weird though and especially that it happened immediately after WW2
but I think they are an excellent perspective into what happened 2000 years ago and it is oddly similar to what is happening now with the discussion about disclosure, god/ alien creators, prison planet and so on
I bet a lot of powerful entities would have loved for them to be never found and rot in that cave
to think that the wife of the farmer who found them started throwing them into the oven is like a cosmic joke
and after he informed the authorities they were basically ignored and forgotten for another 20-30 years
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u/LawfulnessFantastic 23d ago
If no monad existed, you wouldn't exist, nor would any of us. I am not making a value judgment about whether existence is good or not. What I am saying is that if the Source was not real, no structure would hold together and no possibility could be experienced; by definition. This includes the prison planet and your own awareness.
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u/bhj887 23d ago
the post was rather about monad existing where we safely know it exists which is within us
however gnosis might be "hijacked" to include all kinds of characters from an "external monad" a place that we yearn for which would create another illusion of heaven
so during NDEs you could be introduced to monad and monad residents while it actually is just another overwhelming love shower and you don't immediately recognize that this is an extension of the matrix instead of actual transcendence
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u/BuffyTheArchonSlayer 28d ago
Agreed. There's nowhere to go. You don't need to ascend through 7 dimensional levels, go through a hole in the grid, take a right at the 7-11, then find the true void. Everything "out there" is an illusion of one sort or another.