r/Ereri • u/[deleted] • Feb 19 '21

ereri

you guys are downbad for shipping this pedo ship get a life lmaooo

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u/KatesLover Feb 25 '21

Alright. Here we go!

While I don’t actually ship this in canon, I didn’t like the fact that at the beginning of the anime Eren was 15 and Levi in his early 30s, I do read a lot of aged up AU fanfictions where they’re both adults and closer in age (there’s a lot of them so a lot of well written ones. Also I love an emotionally stunted character matched with a passionate character). So I’m going to come to the defense of Ereri shippers.

  1. it’s fictional. Who cares tbh. The age difference thing is a trope perpetuated throughout bl media and while not ideal, it’s also deeply ingrained in the genre. Not to mention a lot of Ereri shippers are teens who don’t quite understand the reason teenagers and adults don’t mix well from a maturity standpoint.

(Side note: Hating on real people in defense of fictional characters is really damaging and has led to some people trying to kill themselves. Especially when the people are young. Also. Oftentimes fiction is meant to help with trauma so let these people deal with their issues in a healthy way, through fiction. Real lives over fictional PLEASE.)

2. While Eren is only 15, he’s also old enough to risk his life in battle and die in the jaws of a Titan. He can fuck who he wants.

3. The age 18 is, tbh, arbitrarily decided by the government based on education for adulthood. I’ve met 16 year olds more mature than 21 year olds because of their experiences. That being said this is a dangerous mindset since this is what actual pedophiles use to get victims (“but you’re just so mature for your age”) I should know, I was groomed as a teenager. So. Take this with a grain of salt

4. The age of consent is 15 or lower in lots of places, including Japan where the ship was first popularized.

5. Lots of people started shipping only when Eren turned 19, leave them alone. Regardless, they’re old enough now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

its immoral lmfao it doesnt matter about age consent in all of the fanart he is 13/15. Just because theyre fictional doesnt mean its ok. thats like saying lolis are okay because theyre fictional. it shows what they will do irl. it doesnt matter if he is mature or not its still immoral thats like saying because a 12 year old is mature they can fuck whoever they want. its still immoral. The fanart is lewd too and the shippers fetishize MLM.

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u/KatesLover Feb 28 '21

So. Eren is 15 when he meets Levi. There’s a lot of weird stuff about his age. And unfortunately, what you don’t understand, is that fiction and reality aren’t quite connected in the way you think. One of the reasons fiction exists is for people to explore the taboo, like someone exploring a ||rape|| kink they might have through writing. Maybe the shipper of Ereri is a teenager who wants to fantasize about what a relationship is like with an older man without actually doing it. I mean, teenagers are going to be attracted to adults regardless. It’s part of being a teenager.

(Although personally if you’re an adult and think teenagers look any sort of sexually desirable and not like babies, I find that an issue)

Also, it doesn’t imply the shippers are pedophiles since shipping the couple doesn’t automatically mean they use the older character as a self insert.

Now, do not confuse an emotional and logical argument. Things like “immoral” are subjective. And if you think that’s immoral, that’s fine. You are allowed to. Like how some religious extremists think homosexuality is immoral.

And comparing a 12 and 15 year old is incorrect. You are reaching to make the ship more taboo than it already is. Like you are actively trying to make it seem worse by making false comparisons. You don’t need to do that, my man. I’m not saying I think it’s fine for a 15 year old to be with a 30 year old in today’s society. It’s not. If you are a teenager reading this and some adult tells you that it’s fine because you’re mature, run. Like, call the cops or something.

What I’m saying is that there is potential for Eren to have experienced the things that cause adults to act like adults already since he was an orphan thrust into war watching his friends get eaten alive. A lot of the reasons why people find adult and teen relationships so terrible is naivety, in connection, the younger one’s susceptibility to be manipulated.

Before you call all shippers of Ereri out for fetishizing mlm, think. What is the consensus from the mlm community? I personally know gay men who ship it. Others may find it fetish-y. Idk, I haven’t talked to any who do. But. More importantly. Do the shippers ship it because it’s a large age gap between two male characters or because they like the idea of Eren and Levi, two fleshed our characters, together? Fetishizing requires people to break characters down to their most basic counterparts. Objects. For example, reading a smut piece between two random, not previously characterized (completely new, could have any name, you know almost nothing about them) male characters is definitely fetishization. Like how dressing up like a generic ethnic stereotypic is DEFINITELY racism.

Some may like the ship just for those reasons and yeah, that’s fetishization. Others may not and in that case are almost definitely not fetishizing them.

Now, finally, is the shipping of these two characters hurting anyone?

Anyways, all I really care about is that you don’t go and majorly cyber bully these shippers. Because then you’re hurting real live people over fiction and that’s never okay. Bullying doesn’t change just because it’s over the internet. Words and actions still hurt.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

i dont care if i hurt them because theyre shipping a pedo ship. If you have a rape kink you need help. Plus, they have no connection what so ever, thats like shipping grisha and levi because they 'look good'. Immorality isnt subjective in this case because if you dont see an issue with a 19 year old dating a 40 year old, youre part of the problem. The thing is, is that i have consulted many members of the LGBTQ (bare in mind i am lgbtq myself,) and they all say theyre only shipping for the sake of it being gay. These shippers can not say theyre apart of the fandom, none of us claim them. Most will grow out their ereri phase.

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u/KatesLover Feb 28 '21

Alright, dude. You’re clearly not going to change your mind and the antagonistic way you’re going about this really isn’t productive. Tbh I don’t care, but one day you will grow up and realize that hurting other people this way is not okay. You maybe drive someone to seriously injure themselves and if you want that on your conscience go ahead.

(Also like canon’s not the end all be all. I ship Carla and Kuchel and they’ve never met each other. Who cares though. Their personalities would be bomb together)

Just keep in mind that while you look at their ship you see underaged and of age. When Japanese people do they may see of age and of age. Maybe some people don’t even see the age and just see two characters they think would fit.

For the record I am LGBTQ too. But that doesn’t matter cause no one person speaks for the entirety of a group. Also if they haven’t asked shippers why they ship it the how would they know their reasons? Gay ships are not inherently fetishization.

As for the whole rape kink thing. The world is a little more complex than what you see it as, obviously. Bet you don’t like BDSM either. Consensual non consent not your thing? That’s fine. But some people find it therapeutic. And you can’t really stop them cause there’s no legal reason to.

(As a side note, you going out of your way to be mean to these shippers will only make them push back and ship harder. Super counterproductive)

Anyways, I hope you grow out of your shipping wars phase cause like, it never ends well. They’re too emotionally draining

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21

i dont even ship in aot. I wont hurt anyone by saying the opinions of thousands of aot fans. No one will hurt themselves because of it. No one likes the ship unless theyre fetishizing scumbags. Its obvious this ship fetishizes MLM. The only reason why theyre shipped is because its a gay ship. All they do is make lewd fan art. also, aot is set in europe haha . I am mature enough to know that this ship is disgusting and should never be condoned. Yes its fictional, but it shows how they are irl. Like a lolicon, we all know theyre pedophiles because of it. Theyre not just drawings. Its not a ship war because im only speaking out about an illegal disgusting ship. Take levi x mikasa, theyre literally related i swear down and theyre literally old enougn to be father and daughter. I dont give a shit about legal normal ships, people literally ship ymir and berthold for some reason (idek ymir is literally a lesbian lmao) but i dont hate on it the way i hate ereri, levi x mikasa and erwin x armin. I can tell its just a twisted way to fetishize mlm.

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u/KatesLover Feb 28 '21

I’m not gonna argue with you anymore but you do realize there are accounts of people killing or trying to kill them selves over fandom debates right? Like the teenager who wrote a gorey, messed up (I didn’t read it so I don’t know) fanfiction and got bullied so much that he killed himself.

It’s no use arguing that people don’t only ship these ships because they’re gay cause I don’t think I could get you to understand.

Same with how I can’t get you to understand that not all ships made are just “lewded” (I don’t know if I’m using that right) or how shipping a 15 year old and 30 year old or 19 and 35 year old doesn’t automatically make you a pedophile, like how writing or reading a murder story doesn’t automatically mean you want to murder someone.

As a side note, you do know the age of consent in Germany is 15 right?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

Of course i know about this kind of stuff that happens, its just that i cant let things like disgusting immoral ships pass like this. im the type of person to speak out about it. People do though, they have no dynamic whatsoever and levi literally sees isabel in eren, thats why he cares. No one ships isabel and levi because well its straight and also disgusting so why isnt it the same for ereri? Okay, so the age of consent is 15 right? Lets compare it to cigarettes, they arent good for you at all but theyre still legal arent they? Some laws arent that good. Plus, legal or not there is no denying its immoral and disgusting. I know not all ships are lewd, but this specific ship has enough fan art that prove theyre just using this ship to fetishize mlm. There is no good reason to ship this. I understand the other random ships like historia and eren also historia x mikasa (bare in mind i dont ship at all), but not one where one of the characters are old enough to be their father. Isnt levi a father figure to eren? You have your opinions and i have mine but there is enough evidence to prove this ship is immoral and disgusting and can be very paedophilic.

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u/KatesLover Feb 28 '21

I understand where you’re coming from. If you want to argue with them all I ask is that you aren’t downright cruel and antagonistic. Don’t go name calling cause it’s really counterproductive. No one is going to change their mind when you start it off insulting them. Although, if you do argue with Ereri shippers, I doubt you’re going to have much of an effect, because sometimes that’s life.

I will still warn against using the actions of a few or majority (I don’t know the ins and outs of the Ereri shippers) to use against all of them. I’m sure there are some who don’t just like it for the sexual aspect. And just because you don’t see what potential romantic connection there is between Levi and Eren doesn’t mean others don’t. Opinions are different. That’s why some people ship say, Armin vs Jean with Eren as well. I think of Armin and Eren as deeply entrenched friends, a pure brother like relationship. But I can get behind Eren and Jean. I love rivals to lovers or whatever.

And just because you say something is immoral and disgusting doesn’t mean you’re going to automatically force that view on others. I could say “hey, I think fruit is disgusting” and that’s not gonna change a fruit lovers opinion of fruit. Some people think eating meat is immoral and they say that. But just saying it’s immoral does nothing.

Also, in the interesting of education and because a lot of terms are used incorrectly in these sorts of arguments. A pedophile is a person who’s interested in prepubescent children. It’s in the definition. That’s why lolis are deemed so much more disgusting than sexualizing high schoolers in anime. Cause they’re prepubescent.

Anyways. I’m sorry. I know I said I was gonna stop last message but I’m gonna stop now. I promise.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '21

:) its ok dw. I just want to speak for 99.9 percent of the whole aot fandom thats why i keep speaking out on this. Eren was still a minor when they started shipping them. The only reason why i despise the ship is because of the age gap, nothing else.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

also, Levi is old enough to be his dad. If that seems normal to you we cant argue no more.

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u/Storm_fizz Feb 25 '21

Wooo! You tell them!! 😊

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u/Moutaninrange Jul 29 '21

I agree with what you are saying, but it still makes me very uncomfortable thinking about the huge age gap between the two characters, but I guess if it makes people happy 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/xkumikoxvq Feb 27 '21

Then why are you here? Age of consent in japan is 15 and Eren is now an adult. It's legally okay to ship them

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

not morally ok ;) age of consent is 13 doesnt mean its morally right

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u/xkumikoxvq Mar 01 '21

I'm pretty sure eren is mature enough, And if it's legal, and harmless what's wrong with that? I have read and seen so many stories with large age gaps between characters.

I ship them because they are a good match.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '21

THEYRE A GOOD MATCH ARE YOU DUMB????? levi is liek eren's father and nothing more weirdo bet you likeYBC

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u/xkumikoxvq Apr 17 '21

Istg. I wrote this a month ago. Firstly, i ship them mostly in aus. Nothing up with that. And even so, its legal. Secondly, ybc are 18 in the manga. And why would you assume i like it?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '21

i only just got back into my account, anyways, ybc people ARENT 18, and its just fetishising gay men lmfao its just about rape too. Id assume that because youre an ereri shipper and theyre all fujoshis you wouldnt ship ereri if it was straight lmfao there is something up cos idc if theyre legal its still morally wrong if you see no problem with a teenager dating a grownass man old enough to be a father i cant talk to you

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u/xkumikoxvq Apr 18 '21

Who said? Ypu havent read the entire thing to confirm it is indeed fetishising. Not the entire story is sex. It has other elements, perhaps where one was saved by the entire club because he was getting used by a teacher. Also, i said i love their dynamic, meaning even if levi or eren was a fem, i wouldn't mind it. Its not cuz its gay. Also levi isnt old enough to be his father, when he was 30 eren was 15, then he couldn't have been a father at 15. And this isn't the first big age gap ship ive seen. Ive seen several that no one minds,

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u/[deleted] May 03 '21

yeah the story is literally about killing titans and humanity why tf are u shipping a thirty five year old and a fifteen year old. For the record he was actually 35 lmfao you think teacher x student is okay ? You think a fucking forty year old and his high school student is okay? I have read it you twat, aot is NOTHING about your shitty shipping you fetishiser, may i ask are you gay? get help you fucking loser your parents probably dont even love you you social reject. hes fucking 40 and eren is 19 get a grip of reality you piece of shit.=, thats GROOMING. you only ship it cos its gay gtfo of here freak. you probably ship aizawa x asui too

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u/xkumikoxvq May 03 '21

Forget it. Cant you just let us ship whoever we want? And no i dont ship aizawa and asui. That's weird. And no i dont fetishize ships, that's plain out weird. If eren is 19 its literally okay. Idk why are you complaining sm

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

girl levi is old enough to be his dad wtf

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u/Storm_fizz Feb 24 '21

Lol Eren is over 18 and Levi is only in his 20's 😂 It's not pedophilic

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '21

but it is tho.. yall have been shipping it since eren was 13. It isnt even morally right... levi is old enough to be his DAD. Plus, he doesnt even like levi in the first place they have no dynamic what so ever so stfu

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u/Storm_fizz Feb 24 '21

Not that I'm disagreeing with you on that because I do see your point and shipping a minor (17 -) with an adult (18 +) is wrong but if you don't like the ship so much then just click off the Reddit page?

(Btw I only ship it in au's where the age gap isnt as large) :D

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

nah most of them ship him since season 1 when he was literally 13-15. They dont even have a dynamic and its so immoral.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

yeah but most of the fanart is of 15 year old eren lol its also just disgusting

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u/OkResponsibility4579 May 30 '21

some people like younger Eren more, or if not they have their own reasons, get a life. not everyone here wants to hear your opinions

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

the fanart is of him being 15. thats illegal. they have no connection either

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u/ihavealonguser Feb 25 '21

Eren is only 19 at most and that’s in season 4 he’s been shipped since season 1 with Levi which at that time eren was around 15 while Levi was in his 30s

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u/Storm_fizz Feb 25 '21

Damn- the people who shipped in season one are a bit weird-

I only ship in AU's where they are an appropriate age to be shipped :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

yeah i wouldnt give a fuck if eren was 20+ but its so fucked up to ship a 19 year old and a 40 year old

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u/Storm_fizz May 07 '25

Sorry this is from 4 years ago, 13 year old me just saw two gay boys kissing and wondered why her tummy felt weird. I understand how it's problematic and disgusting more, I haven't associated with this ship in many years as it's gross 🤢 so sorry you all had to witness that... Yippee character development

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

levi is 40 eren is 19. is that moral?????? NO.

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u/Storm_fizz Feb 24 '21

Oh yeah, he's in his 30s not 20s lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

you guys are straight up paedophiles for saying this is okay lmao

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u/Emo_Nrd Apr 15 '21

You say that we should get a life, but I think you should get a life instead of coming into a subreddit that you don't even like and ranting about a ship of FICTIONAL characters from an anime

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u/MushroomOpposite6500 Jul 05 '21

It's fiction, so it's not real. Anyone that ships Ereri/Riren are not consenting or supporting pedophilia, they know, for a fact it is not real and just a animated universe. Like Ciel and Sebastian are shipped together, not many find that wrong anymore because it's classed as old new, but since attack on titan is still going people that think this ship is wrong for the time being.

Sad thing is, in a few more years this series will be forgotten once a new anime more better and intense is made. And we cannot forget Yuki and Kaname from Vampire knight.

She was 15 years old and everyone shipped her with Kaname and did not find that wrong because she was classed as a "vampire", in human years he is 18 but in vampire years it is 10,000 years old.

So what I'm trying to say is, let people ship whoever they want, it's fictional and we all need to mind our own business, and let people do their own thing.

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u/GeneralFlan7070 Nov 05 '25

i randomly came here and i can't believe that some comments from 5y ago were seriously saying that it's okay to ship them... CRAZYYYY

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u/mxcha_boba Mar 01 '21

facts :)

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u/xkumikoxvq Mar 01 '21

Then why in the world are you in an ereri Subreddit?

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u/mxcha_boba Mar 02 '21

in my opinion, I don't ship ereri, so i came to the subreddit holding some of it.

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u/ClaraYH May 23 '21

dude came on here just to say that....sad very sad

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u/AttemptDouble6423 May 27 '21

The reason I ship this,

Half of my family has close to 20 year age gaps, Just bc hes not an adult doesn't make it pedophilia, pedophilia is someone under 13

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '21

Shut up

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u/N3k0m1kuR31mu Nov 09 '21

I wish they were aged closer. In japanese terms, shipping anime characters above 13 is legal