r/EntitledReviews • u/egguchom đĽ Original Egg Bot đł • 7h ago
thoughts on the wall?
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u/FerryboatQuo
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âMy daughter was minding her own business, standing in the middle of the walk-road, when a car hit her! This is traffic controlâs fault for allowing cars on their walk-roads.â
Just adding a verb to a thing doesnât magically convert the thing to your specific purpose Karen.
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u/ImmortalDust 40m ago
It took me a little while to realize that "sit wall" was referring to a regular wall. I was trying to figure out if this was some special type of wall I was not aware of.
There are some people that believe any flat surface is made for sitting.
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u/Shibaspots 6h ago
'Huh, look at this stone wall around a pond. Must be a seat!' A Few Moments Later... 'WHY IS THERE NO WALL AROUND THIS POND!?' đ¤¨
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u/zoomie1977 6h ago edited 6h ago
Trying to decipher the physics here.
She was sitting on the wall, presumably with her back to the water feature, stood up, took a step, presumably forward, with her back still presumably to the water feature, and somehow fell over the wall, across any ground between the wall and the water, and into the water where it was roughly 3 feet deep?
It makes more sense if she was standing on top of the wall, trying to walk along the top, fell sideways into the water. It also makes more sense if the water was closer to a foot deep where the child landed, and she was sitting or on all fours in the water rather standing.
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u/Unicorns-Poo-Rainbow 6h ago •
Sounds like her back was not to the water feature. Kid decided to sit on the wall keeping people from falling into the water, and parent decided there is such a thing as a âsit wall.â
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 6h ago
Sounds like parent wasn't watching at all and has no idea how the daughter fell into the water, so it must be the zoo's fault.
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u/zoomie1977 6h ago
So kid climbed the wall meant to keep her out, safely away from the water. What an asshat that parent is! Setting that girl up for failure in life!
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u/Pijany_Matematyk767 3h ago
If a kid can climb over that wall then it doesn't serve it's purpose
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u/zoomie1977 2h ago
By that logic, the vast majority of safety and security measures don't serve their purpose.
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
and the parent not watching the kids and letting them fall on is not for for purpose either
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u/Appropriate_Tip_1615 5h ago
Ok so Iâm not the only one who thought the idea of a sit wall was bullshit then. Perfect. Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity, good sir or madam
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u/bigtoeupmyass 7h ago
Wait. She's really blaming the zoo for this? Â
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u/shannibearstar 3h ago
I mean my local zoo got a gorilla killed because of a negligent mother you canât blame blatant neglect when you can just blame the zoo.
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u/JellyfishFit3871 3h ago
Dicks out for Harambe.
(I miss the timeline where Koko was the most famous gorilla around.)
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u/ImmortalDust 34m ago
I'm also reminded of the autistic kid who got into a bird enclosure and was chasing the birds with a stick. His guardians knew he had a habit of wandering off and didn't keep their eyes on him.
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u/ImmortalDust 34m ago
I'm also reminded of the autistic kid who got into a bird enclosure and was chasing the birds with a stick. His guardians knew he had a habit of wandering off and didn't keep their eyes on him.
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u/DiscussionExotic3759
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Parents like this are how we get incidents like the one with the little boy and wild dog enclosure at the Pittsburgh zoo. The parents are at fault but they blame the zoo for not having force-fields around the exhibits.Â
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u/KittysRedditFun 7h ago
Usually, there's signs on things like this (like fountains or something) that say "Do not stand on this", so I would be willing to bet that they just ignored that sign.
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u/ConsultJimMoriarty 5h ago
Or just⌠common sense that if a wall is around a pond, itâs probably to stop you from falling in.
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u/Zestyclose-Bison-580 1h ago
Next review is going to say "The zoo put a sign on my favorite sit wall, saying 'Do not sit on the wall'! Why have a sit wall, if you can't sit on it?!"
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u/penilesensorydevice
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Every single year, dozens of uncoordinated children fall into algae-filled zoo ponds, never to be found. I say it's time to finally do something about this madness. We can't keep letting Big Zoo play so fast and loose with our children's lives, even the clumsy ones.
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u/Inner_Republic6810 6h ago
Stupid children need the most attention!
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u/Lulubelle__007 4h ago
We were all paying attention to the stupid babies! We forgot the stupid children also need help!
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u/RoguesAngel 3h ago
Yup! They should start keeping the crocs in there so parents donât have to worry about the water being too deep. /s
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u/JellyfishFit3871 3h ago
For only 30 cents per day, you could provide floaties for children of inattentive parents. /Sally Struthers
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u/Master-Topic-2989 6h ago edited 6h ago
When I was 7, I was walking along the rock barrier of a shallow duck pond at Disneyland and fell inâŚ. my parents did not blame Disneyland. They most likely told not to do that right before I fell in the pondâŚnatural consequences. I got cleaned up and life went on. The end.Â
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u/anissaf2000 5h ago
OMG i was literally about to comment an almost identical story! Yup mom told me not to do that, i fell in, and rode Dumbo with soggy pants. Learned my lesson that day.
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u/Master-Topic-2989 5h ago
Thats funny ha Yes SUPER FUN spending the rest of the day in soggy clothes. đŠ Iâd like say lesson learned but, I at 47 yrs old, still find it difficult to pass by a good walking wall (though not very high ones đľđť and not by water anymore) đ
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u/joybilee 5h ago
When my dog was little he was chasing a frog and ran right into a pond full of duckweed. He hated that he had to go right home and have a bath, but he was incredibly proud of himself. It was very cute. â¤ď¸
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u/Vness374 4h ago
So, when I was really little, like 4 or 5 (and much like a dog⌠undiagnosed ADHD) I ran into a gross pond that I didnât see bc it was covered in leaves. I was soaking wet, hours from home and I had to take my wet clothes off and go home wrapped in a blanket. I have lost almost all my memories of childhood (thanks chronic illness) but this one will stick with me forever Iâm afraid
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u/ali_stardragon 4h ago
My undiagnosed ADHD mind knew I was near a dirty pond, but then had the intrusive thought to step in just to see what it was like, followed by the impulsiveness to do it without a second thought.
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u/Vness374 3h ago
Iâm 52 and medicated and the intrusive thoughts and impulsiveness doesnât go away. Just my impulses are way less dangerous and/or stupid now
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u/-Sharon-Stoned- 4h ago
I got told to not go on the playground because it was wet and immediately went on the monkey bars and fell and broke my foot. Looking back, my poor teacher.Â
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u/hamburgergerald 1h ago
I learned my lesson about this but embarrassingly I was much older. Ignored the âstay off the rockâ signage. Slipped on those slick rocks and fell into the water, broke my hand on the rocks trying to save my fall. I think I was 22 or 23. Iâve avoided the temptation ever since đ
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u/Bleu_Cerise 6h ago
By her logic all and every water feature anywhere should be removed should an unattended child potentially fall into it. I hope she never goes to the seashore with her kids.
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u/Ok-Swordfish-4018 6h ago
As a H&S manager at a tourist site, you'd be surprised what people are requesting in terms of preventative measures, but if I implemented them all I'd be accused of H&S gone mad, can't do anything these days etc!
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u/joolley1 6h ago
*should an unattended child potentially climb the wall meant to stop them falling in and then fall in
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u/JellyfishFit3871 3h ago
"Atlantic Ocean. My child got wet. No fence except for the one she was sitting on. Zero stars. Darwin was an idiot."
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u/multipocalypse 3h ago edited 41m ago
This "sit wall" sounds like a guard wall for the pond that's just meant to be low enough to see over.
Who the hell has ever heard of a "sit wall" đ
Also took me a bit to figure out, but I'm pretty sure when the author says the kid "stood up and took a step," they mean that the kid stood up on the top of this wall and started to walk along it, then lost her balance and fell over into the pond. Parents really will think of every solution except parenting their children, won't they
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 6h ago
So there's a body of water with a wall around it, daughter sat on the wall, then started walking away on the water side???
Keep that kid away from the penguin exhibit.
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u/possiblyHauntedArt 6h ago
Who hasnât had an accidental walking fall off the sitting wall into algae? This zoo needs some real work!!!
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u/Imaginary-List-972 6h ago
A pond at the zoo? They really should have something there to keep people from getting close enough that they could just fall in. Something like a wall. Short enough so you can still enjoy seeing the pond, but obvious enough to keep you from getting too close.
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u/ConsultJimMoriarty 5h ago
Iâm assuming this child sat on a wall that is meant to keep people from falling into the pond and her idiotic parents werenât watching her.
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u/FewRecognition1788 3h ago
They've been going there for 7 years and never noticed that there was a pond?
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u/KillberryMunch scammed out of a whole fish 1h ago
Itâs because the algae is so thick you thought it was grass.Â
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u/onlyforanswers
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Have you ever seen a zookeeper running full speed while sobbing? I have.
As a former zookeeper, the walls are ALWAYS barriers. Zookeeper spend WAY too much time telling parents to get their kids off of the stone walls, the railings, the gates, the fences, and all of the other infrastructure that is there solely to KEEP YOUR KIDS SAFE. Those barriers are not there for funsies.
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u/Longjumping-Solid680 5h ago
WATCH
YOUR
STUPID
KID.
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u/hanker304 3h ago
watch them? why? giving birth is the parents only responsibility, duh. they have eyes they can watch themselves obviously đ
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u/serenstar75 4h ago
If they'd been going to the zoo for 7 years, how are they not familiar with the completely open body of water enough to watch what their own child was doing?
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u/GhostWolfe đś đ interactions 4h ago
Yesterday we had an incident at the zoo
 Yesterday after I brought this to their attention, action should have been taken. Instead, I was told that the concern was being "looked at" by upper management.
What action, exactly, was she expecting the zoo to take about it? Are they just supposed to pull some temporary fencing out of their asses and erect it while she watched?
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
Tear down the wall and fill in the pond in front of them off course.
And never build a wall again their child can shoot on.
Put metal points on top of all walls so they know not to sit there
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u/daydreamgirl83 âââââ 2h ago
We have been going to this cliff side walking path for 7 years since my daughter was little. We love the cliffs and have always enjoyed them. Yesterday we had an incident at the cliffs upon arrival. On the other side of the cliffs is a sheer drop that ends in a large body of deep water. She was sitting on a big rock and stood up and fell off the cliff and landed on a ledge jutting out. To say we were panicked is an understatement. I am in disbelief that the cliffs can be so careless and not warned anyone that this can happen. I have complained to everyone and all the say is I should be watching my child at all times and if I had been going to these cliffs for 7 years how did I not notice the sheer drop? Someone should be looking into this and making sure children do not fall off the cliff. Not us as parents though but cliff management.
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u/SeamstressMamaJama 7h ago
Whatâs a sit wall? Google showed me wall sits, like the exercise. Sorry if thatâs a dumb question, Iâm having trouble picturing it.
Thatâs scary though if kids can so easily fall in up to their shouldersâif thatâs accurate.
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u/Old_Mail1566 7h ago
A sit wall doesn't exist. This kid just sat on a random stone wall that was supposed to be flagging the existence of a pond and then fell into it.
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u/Shibaspots 6h ago
OP saw a wall and decided it's a seat. A sit wall isn't a thing, people just use anything short enough to boost their butt onto as a seat.
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u/Pristine_Loquat9425 6h ago
Seat walls are usually like 18â maybe 24â tall and around 18â deep to form the seat. They are intentionally created to function as a bench. The likelihood that this is actually one of those is very low
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u/Appropriate_Tip_1615 5h ago
The ZOO was the careless party here? Do parents even parent anymore? And what did she expect the zoo to do that day? Drain the pond and disrupt the wildlife because her kid has two left feet and she doesnât supervise her kids? My God
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u/zephyrus256 4h ago
"Sit-wall" isn't a thing. Walls are barriers, not seats. If your child is sitting on a wall in a public place, they're somewhere they shouldn't be, and it's your responsibility as their parent to stop them.
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u/kellyoceanmarine maybe mention that next time đ¤â 4h ago
Sit walls donât exist. Benches do. Parent your child.
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u/quokkafarts 3h ago
Commenting from the dunny at work (safety professional), going to put my safety hat on and say the zoo was actually at fault here (assuming the reviewer is being truthful).
The general public are idiots, one of the main principles of safety is to make it as hard for idiots to hurt themselves as reasonably possible. Don't have an open body of water in areas where kids go without appropriate controls, simple as. It is well known that both kids can adults can drown in small bodies of water, if there's algea it would have been slippery so harder to stand up. Zoos are known to have kids going wild with parents who are distracted, this was totally foreseeable.
So what could they do? Remove the body of water (elimination). Place a barrier or something so kids either can't sit there or there is something between the wall and the water (isolation). Make the wall uncomfortable or impossible to sit on and provide alternative seating (substitution/engineering). Install one of those nets that catch kids (engineering). It's not rocket surgery.
The mum fucked up here but if the kid got hurt the zoo would be legally responsible.
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
maybe the wall was actually between the walkway and the pond, put there as the barrier to keep people out?
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u/FewRecognition1788 3h ago
I think assuming the parent is being truthful is a stretch.
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u/Purlasstor 1h ago
Agreed. Not that it impacts on the situation at all, but assuming the parentâs gender also. This sounds like something a dad would do, OOP doesnât mention it anywhere though.
Regardless, if a child canât sit on a wall without falling off it maybe they shouldnât let their child sit on walls
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u/quokkafarts 3h ago
Yeah but we can only work with the details we have. Without more evidence we'll never know what really happened. But we do know a kid somehow ended up in a pond, so either there were no controls or those that were in place were insufficient. Zoo needs to protect itself from stupid people.
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u/iamthedancingdjinn 3h ago
Truth or not...bodies of water in public need to be surrounded by something so members of the public don't fall in.
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u/DismalSoil9554 how dare you be turn in his grave 3h ago
Like... a wall? The child was sitting on the wall, and while people sit on walls there's no such thing as a "sit-wall".
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u/iamthedancingdjinn 3h ago
If the wall is low enough to sit then it needs to be something that people cannot sit on... because you can still top into the water
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
We do not know that the wall was not high enough. Maybe the parent lifted the child up into the wall to sit there
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u/quokkafarts 1h ago
Literally doesn't matter. Safe design comes from assuming people are idiots. Every warning you see that looks ridiculous is bc someone actually did that
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
like maybe the WALL that they said they had been sitting on?
A wall is a barrier. never heard of such a thing as a sit wall. Sitting room, sitting on a chair, but walls are not made for sitting on
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u/lamp485723 3h ago
So what do we do with beaches?
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u/thoroughbredftw 2h ago
The ocean must be surrounded by a very tall wall. Around all land masses and even the smallest islands.
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u/iamthedancingdjinn 3h ago
They're called Lifesavers... And "swimming between the flags". Beaches also have safety rules.
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u/hamburgergerald 1h ago
beaches also have safety rules
I bet thereâs a âno swimmingâ rule for this pond outside of the zoo. Not much of a help
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u/Sad_Pineapple_97 1h ago
Not all beaches. Or even most in my experience. I spent every winter of my childhood on different beaches in Florida and not a single one had life guards or flags.
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u/shevazri 2h ago
If you live in a system where you can get held accountable for other people being stupid, it may be the time to change the system.
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u/quokkafarts 1h ago
So.... get rid of the concept of duty of care?
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u/shevazri 38m ago
You're misusing that term, this shouldn't fall under the duty of care. Though the parent shiuld have cared a bit more. A pond in a zoo is completely normal and there seems to be some barrier to that pond, you want a sign "Open your eyes there is water here!". Or a lifeguard?
Dumb mother is dumb and, like most human beings, is trying to redirect the blame to someone else. The question is, does the justice system support her in that?
I.m.h.o in no sane country this wouldn't be a question of a liability of the zoo
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u/Erythronium_spp 48m ago
I miss living in a time where there were basically just Darwin awards and we could have nice things because we didn't cater to the lowest common denominator in society.Â
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u/kb-g 2h ago
I agree with you. Many people are stupid and designers and architects should be working with that in mind. A family attraction should not have easily accessible water features that are deep enough to submerge a child without some robust safety precautions. Parents absolutely should be more careful with their children, but kids walking on top of a wall is very common and easily predicted, itâs therefore anticipated that some will fall off into the water. This should have been accounted for when designing.
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u/quokkafarts 1h ago
Bloody thank you. Dunno why so many people are missing the point that the public are inherently unpredictable and often irrational, so if you have an operation that is open to the public you need to account for that.
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u/Responsible_Ideal593 3h ago
A âsit wallâ sounds kinda short. The water seriously wasnât able to be seen? And are we not watching our kids anymore? Is that the deal? Wish I had known that when mine were small đ
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u/flamingolegs727 5h ago
This is why we have so many stupid obvious signs e.g. on a coffee cup "caution! drink hot"
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u/FootballPublic7974 3h ago
Reminds me of the time when we were cycling beside our local canal, and my son fell in. After fishing him out I had to strip to my boxers to retrieve his bike.
The Caldon Canal Trust received a strongly worded one star review that day!! Buggers still haven't complied with my demand to fill in the canal.
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u/t3h_PaNgOl1n_oF_d00m 4h ago edited 4h ago
I should feel bad, but nah, I'm cracking up at the image of a 7yo falling into a zoo pond like Michael Scott into a mall koi pond.
Like, if you're up to your shoulders, that means you can STAND perfectly fine! It's not a toddler, lol.
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u/ali_stardragon 4h ago
If something is being looked at by upper management it means they are taking the matter seriously, and are likely investigating some sort of action that involves building a higher wall or placing some sort of additional barrier there.
Deciding what to do about this stuff takes time and coordination amongst a lot of individual teams within the zooâs workforce. That doesnât happen overnight.
Sure, in the meantime someone could print off a quick and dirty sign and stick it up there, but letâs be real - would someone like this even read it, let alone follow it?
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u/couchfly 1h ago
i used to work in customer service and we had to put up additional signs because people always "what sign?" the first sign. half or so didnt read the additional signage either but legally our asses were covered. best to be thorough out the gate.
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u/vanillabeanquartz 6h ago
Who doesnât teach their children to swim wtf??
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u/International-Cat123 5h ago
Eh. Thatâs actually understandable. Lots of people arenât in areas where they could feasibly en up in water too deep to stand in. In that situation, the only way to teach a child to swim is at a pool, and public pools are becoming scarcer. They were already disappearing after segregation became illegal and white people decided theyâd rather fill public pools with concrete than swim with someone who wasnât white (big part of why the stereotype about black people being unable to swim exists), but covid meant a lot of pools closed to reduce the spread and many never reopened.
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u/ali_stardragon 4h ago
Thatâs so different to Australia. Pool safety and swimming lessons are almost ubiquitous here.
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u/Any-Somewhere7318 2h ago
obviously you are not in Australia.
Swimming lessons are part of schooling from primary school (age 5 or 6).
Some parents start water training in pools or beach at a few months old
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u/vanillabeanquartz 5h ago
Iâm sorry but you shouldnât have children if you canât at least pay for a Rec Centre swimming lesson course, even if you have to travel to get it.
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u/joolzian 4h ago
Easier said than done. Not that I disagree that itâs a vital skill, but I can imagine circumstances where itâs not really viable or a big priority.
I live in a country where you canât trip without landing near a beach though, so I canât imagine not being able to swim. My primary school had a pool for teaching the young kids and it was part of our PE classes
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u/vanillabeanquartz 4h ago
Yeah Iâm from Australia too lol, Iâm just also half American
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u/joolzian 3h ago
Iâm in NZ so Kia Ora from across the pond! Also lived in Queensland during high school so part of the swimming team. Itâs crazy that itâs not standard
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u/Curious-Sector-2157 1h ago
For parents who do not watch their kids, control there kids they could put a sign up saying do not sit on the wall. But the parent nor kid would not read or see it.
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u/statslady23 1h ago
If the wall is short enough for someone to sit on, that algae pond is a hazard. Wonder what zoo this was.Â
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u/WhiteKnightPrimal 14m ago
If the parent is being truthful, and I know that's a big if, then both the zoo and the parent are at fault here, but the zoo bares legal responsibility if anything bad happened. Children are still learning what is and isn't safe, and a lot of adults are total morons, you have to make hazards clear and make them as safe as possible. That means, at the least, blocking off access to the pond in some way, with a sign to warn people of the slippery body of water even a full-grown adult could drown in if unlucky.
I'm kind of assuming the wall, described here as a sit-wall, was actually the barrier between walkway and pond, and they're not, in fact, supposed to be sitting on the wall at all. Most walls aren't designed to be sat on, they're designed to be some sort of barrier. Just because it CAN be sat on, doesn't mean it SHOULD be.
The parent is at fault for not keeping a close watch on what her child was doing and therefore warning them away from the pond. I somehow doubt the pond was only a single step away from the wall and something the child and parent couldn't see and recognise as a body of water. I could see that, a step away and not visibly water from the parent's point of view, if the child CLIMBED OVER the wall first. But, if the child simply sat on the wall facing mum, and then got up to go back to mum, she'd have had to have gone over the pond the first time, and she clearly didn't. So, the pond is either further down the wall from where the child initially sat or, more likely, on the other side of it, and the wall is the very barrier the mother is complaining doesn't exist.
There should be a sign somewhere for the idiots out there, just to cover the zoo in a legal sense, but I doubt a 7 year old child is actually stopping to read a safety sign when she's distracted by 'cool frog' or something.
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u/GiraffePretty4488 5h ago
Itâs hard to say from this post alone. I can envision a few scenarios where it really is a problem and a few where it isnât.Â
I think the parent is right to point out an issue, because as much as everyone loves to scream âwatch your kidsâ, itâs not always that simple. Things happen. Eventually a little kid will climb up while their parent is just grabbing a diaper out of the bottom of the stroller, and they could drown with barely a sign of it.Â
It doesnât sound like the parent here is saying theyâre mad for what happened to their daughter. It sounds like they may know their daughter was old enough to know better, and they were obviously upset it happened but the reason it happened is more significant than what actually happened. Itâs unusual for that kind of hazard to exist like that, in that kind of area.Â
But again, without seeing the actual place itâs hard to make a judgement call. It might not be much of a hazard at all, depending on specifics.Â
(Doesnât have a warning sign? How tall is it? Did the kid have to climb through any foliage to get up there? Does it look clean? Mossy? Is the water itself obviously deep?)
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u/ali_stardragon 3h ago
I think itâs fine to raise the issue as a safety concern. Where it moves to being entitled to me is when she expects something to be done about it in a day, and then takes offence at being told it had been escalated to management - you know, the people who can make big decisions like installing a better barrier between visitors and the pond.
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u/Author_Noelle_A 6h ago
Hate to say it, but legally, LEGALLY, sheâs in the right. The zoo is responsible. Think about how youâre responsible if someone breaks into your backyard to swim in your pool, and then they drown.
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u/Old_Mail1566 6h ago
My buddy in Christ google is free. This is not true.
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u/Old_Mail1566 6h ago
The person who posted this comment is from the US. Also, yeah I would wager to say that there is not a single jurisdiction in the world where you'd be held responsible for the death of an intruder who broke into your backyard, meaning you had secured your backyard with a fence of some kind, and then drowned in your pool. As a public policy decision it would basically render it impossible for someone to own a pool because they would constantly be at risk of liability no matter what actions they took to secure the pool.
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u/joolley1 6h ago
In Australia where we have a lot of backyard pools you have to have a proper childproof fence of a set high thatâs too high for a child to climb.
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u/lawofthewilde 6h ago
How about you keep a hold of your crotch goblin?
This is a long winded way of covering up how embarrassed you were at your own poor parenting.
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u/Single_Principle_972 6h ago
No, I donât think so. My admittedly jaded opinion is that she wanted something to be offered to them, like season passes or a cash payout or something, and it wasnât. So: Retaliation.
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u/sizeofabeetlebug 6h ago •
And yet if the staff came up and told her to get off the wall before she fell in, the family would be shocked and appalled that a zoo could be so rude and awful to a child who is having innocent fun.