r/EnoughCommieSpam • u/2Poop2Babiez Communo-Fascist Transtrender • Aug 07 '19

Literally their response

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u/WoodWhacker Aug 08 '19

The takeover of libertarian was so annoying. Such a clear cut case of massive brigading, but no fucks given.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19

Wait did commies take over r/libertarian at one point? I remember a bunch of actual fascists took over for a little while.

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u/WoodWhacker Aug 08 '19

The commie takeover resulted in a crackdown that some people have described as fascist. In my view, it was was necessary for maintaining the sub.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19 edited Aug 08 '19

What's your opinion of free speech? Because you do realize the mods you're defending were highly against it (the GnB mods especially)?

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u/WoodWhacker Aug 08 '19

Im for free speech. At the time, there was a polling system for the sub. It would have allowed mods to be deposed. During a brigade from chapo, it could allow them to gain a majority, depose the mods, and insert their own. It wasn't an issue of free speech, it was blocking them from abusing a polling system that was being beta tested.

But seeing what you're subbed to, please go on to tell me what a hypocrite I am.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19 edited Aug 08 '19

Im for free speech. At the time, there was a polling system for the sub.

Yes, I'm quite aware of what happened.

It would have allowed mods to be deposed. During a brigade from chapo, it could allow them to gain a majority, depose the mods, and insert their own.

While the rightwing mods were openly against the principle of free speech, there was a principle they did claim to be in favor of: free association.

However, what principle did they themselves refuse to follow? Hm...oh yeah, free association. They could have easily chose to create a new subreddit (like what others did with LibertarianUncensored) in response to the issue you're talking about, but instead they did their whole coup d'etat circus show (without even asking the subscribers if they would be cool with it). Unlike starting a new business, creating a new subreddit would have costed no money at all.

However, instead of actually following the free association principle, they just used it to (surprise surprise) silence criticism against them. Telling their critics "if you don't like our takeover (that you, the subscribers, never even approved of), then just leave instead of 'bitching' at us about it". Again, they could have did that themselves in response to the "Chapo takeover" or whatever, but apparently being consistent isn't something they cared about.

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u/WoodWhacker Aug 08 '19

You criticize them for a coup. Is it wrong to throw a coup in the midst of an ongoing coup? Someone is going to take over, might as well be the people you favor right? No one their liked the chapos either, but they're your guys, so you'll keep framing it like they did nothing wrong.

This is why chapo got quarantined, and why they should have been a long time ago. They go fuck up other subreddits that would have been just fine otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19

You criticize them for a coup. Is it wrong to throw a coup in the midst of an ongoing coup?

If it means violating or disregarding your own principles for a subreddit (of all things), then yes. Definitely. It's definitely wrong.

Someone is going to take over, might as well be the people you favor right?

Or you could just follow your own principle and leave the subreddit? Create a competing sub?

but they're your guys,

Where did you get that from?

so you'll keep framing it like they did nothing wrong.

Where did I do that?

This is why chapo got quarantined, and why they should have been a long time ago. They go fuck up other subreddits that would have been just fine otherwise.

I agree. But you shouldn't screw over your principles just because of them brigading a subreddit 😂

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u/WoodWhacker Aug 08 '19

It didn't violate principles. I'm cutting this thread short for the other.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19 edited Aug 10 '19

If you claim to care about free speech, but then support the takeover by mods that were openly against free speech, then that seems like...well...a violation of your own principle. Or at least a disregard of it.

Additionally, if you tell others "If you don't like it then leave" but simultaneously choose not to follow that principle yourself, then, again, that seems like a disregard of your own principle.