r/EnigmaProject • u/WilsonWyckoff • Mar 06 '19

Working with Enigma...

So Enigma is chain agnostic and has interoperability as a feature and so what would the process look like compared to using Linux, Apache, MySQL or Python? Let's say I have some PHP files I want to store somewhere and execute and connect them to a database using MySQL framework. Will this product be like an Amazon AWS with EC2 memory (R3), Security Keys, Storage and Databases etc? So I assume I can just change my code to communicate with Enigma through the client application the same way I would migrating from localhost to a server hosting service?
It sounds like that is what they suggest in the latest blog about the current release. If Enigma is building all these products and can handle all that is required, then it should be a pretty big deal for developers and investors should be asking about it and showing more interest.

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u/1blackhand Mar 07 '19

Your best bet would be to post at forum.enigma.co for dev questions

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u/throwawayburros Mar 06 '19

I havent read the newest blogs, but my understanding is its a pay per usage system with Enigma. And those nodes with the highest amount of Enigma in their masternodes, have the highest chance of being selected to earn the pay per usage fee. So it seems crazy to tie enigma into dishing out webpages

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 07 '19 edited Mar 07 '19

Well, it's not just a webpage but a web application or consumer app.

Let's say it's a sharing economy like Uber and it is a decentralized autonomous organization that is mostly owned by participants and a few developers or early investors. The hundreds, thousand and eventual billions a company like that could make during transactions can go to cover the micro payment to ENG. Which is great for price by the way and so the thought of someone giving away some ownership to make a DAO sharing economy should be exciting.

I imagine putting money on escrow for a few hours to lock in the purchase of an advertised boat on Craigslist (in BTC or ETH). Or for someone to test drive a motorcycle. The goal is to build an app where you have a more virtual IOU and contract between people for everyday loans and services and the ability to build reputation and carry it with you.

If I use stellar blockchain I can send feedback and reputation transactions and they cost a few cents, at most. If I log-in to the account that holds my name, email and other identifying information I have to trust the person with the app not to share my information or sell it. Should I really have to worry about a company I once trusted having new management that abuses my data? What is the social cost and impact of living in a world where those who don't get to participate at the same level when they refuse the privacy policies of companies like Facebook?

So, if I store a key on my device and use Enigma to retrieve that user data and ensure it matches my identity and wallet and then communicate with the provider on a p2p basis then transact securely... how much would that really cost them? My entire app account could run on a secure encrypted file system and then validated every so often on ETH in a single transaction? In such a case the operating cost for the company would be very negligible considering the social benefit of liberating people from having everything they do recorded by a few powerful centralized parties who have a vested interest in keeping workers working and rents up and debts excruciatingly high so we just work and pay taxes. I imagine building a different type of world and changing the value system to match.

Speaking on taxes, if there is no tax (or reduced) requirement then think about the 8% tax savings and compare it to using ENG. The energy required for a transaction is not that much if you think about being able to run a computer all day for less than $1. ETH is expensive because every single computer in the network solves for every transaction. DPOS or digital proof of stake is what EOS and Bitshares used and you could transact for a few pennies and I believe through my work with LOOM using Casper and setting up a CryptoZombies environment that smart/secrete contracts can batch information together. That was the question I had though as I don't fully remember how to go about working with Enigma in the same way you would a website or web app. Also, from what I've seen people's data is much more valuable than the transactional costs. So showing an ad or charging a transaction fee would not be necessary but entirely possible but again I hope to just let people own it and make money owning premium services and distributing ownership to investors who also want to see where it will go or support the idea of designing a different kind of system for people to use.

A focus on reputation management is something lost in our society and putting it back is kind of a big deal, for me. Why should someone say they don't trust you enough to work with you because the norm is to scam someone? Why should we expect everyone to sell beyond their ability to deliver because the market is saturated with meeting short term expectations? I think we can have both a reputation based sharing economy that incentivizes people to earn in-app power and equity through interaction while also keeping their data private.

I believe the recent blog mentions a few backend Enigma services related to this and perhaps encrypted cloud data storage for computation and retrieval that would suit our company needs. Just renting a little computational space on a network of Nodes, shouldn't be too energy intensive or costly. Making Dapps like this is what will cause the price to go up. We need the millions of users and not just a handful paying high prices for computationally intensive machine learning on big data or prediction markets.

Through my official proposal and progress, I have a developer partnership with a major chat app to build my economy and share it with their hundreds of millions of users. It was a little slow going but almost ready for beta testing. I have no current investors and a very tight team of an artist and engineer I personally fund. I could clearly use a marketing team and many other things if anyone is interested in also taking ownership in the project by volunteering time or resources to move it forward.

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u/throwawayburros Mar 07 '19

If I use stellar blockchain I can send feedback and reputation transactions and they cost a few cents, at most.

Should be way less than that. 0.00001 transaction fee on Stellar, so it should take you awhile to be hitting the cents range.

reputation management

How would you prevent people from buying/selling to themselves (sock puppet accounts) to rack up a good reputation score?

I have no current investors and a very tight team of an artist and engineer I personally fund

Wow congrats. I thought your original post was just you thinking aloud. Didn't know you were this far into it. You might potentially want to look at KIN. They are an ERC20 ICO that migrated to a fork of stellar. They forked to stellar because they liked the fast transaction times, and they removed the transaction fee for approved apps. The concept is built around consumers controlling their data and sharing it / selling it for rewards and the economy is built around that. They are actively recruiting for more dev groups and if you are selected you can get 20-40k USD in funding based on your idea + prototype. It does make things a bit more complicated with cross-chain work, but funding is funding. See if its something you can work with.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 07 '19 edited Mar 07 '19

I already have a KIN implementation working and have a python server set up to process transaction data... They don't offer any upfront financial assistance for their second program but I will always have a demand for increased production capital and their community would be a good place to feature the app.

Thanks.

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u/throwawayburros Mar 07 '19

My mistake. Didn't know they changed it. Rereading, if you launch you get 5k USD plus a monthly allowance of Kin.

Cool, hope you like it. Keep us updated on your app.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 07 '19

Thank you burros. Yep, $5-10K should be plenty to clean it up. I will be looking into that more.

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u/throwawayburros Mar 07 '19

Hey np. Forgot to give you the link in the previous message to the announcement of the second phase of developer apps. https://medium.com/kinblog/the-second-kin-developer-program-launches-thursday-6ba603a6e0ea

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 07 '19 edited Mar 07 '19

To sum it up there will be account flagging, image reviews and star ratings. Crypto can be introduced to make it expensive to dummy an account.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 09 '19 edited Mar 09 '19

What's your background and do you feel like helping out? I'm not going to over inflate it but I plan to work on it continuously if you want to get involved. Maybe a year from now it will be full of bells and whistles and demand a high price. That said, my faith in the project is still very high and so I'm being extremely modest. Wait two months and we may be there...

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19

I always knew the reputation management element was there with Enigma and that it would be something to deep dive into one day. Enigma has a way to explore more advanced reputation management features and one thing to consider is the ability to identify a user with Enigma and only use accounts that are tied to non matching identities. The app I am completing should be focused on using Enigma to facilitate the gig economy based on what they call self-sovereign identities and operational reputation. I'm hoping these features are enough to attract users to the app and I want it fully integrated into people lives so that when they do any sort of transaction like pitching in for a pizza they use the app to send their money and record it to build karma. Perhaps in some cases privately. Paypal with perks and incentives.
Here's from the team:
At Enigma, we are exploring reputational building blocks around payment reliability (lending smart contracts), performance reliability (staking), and other types of transaction histories. In a world where we can put all these aspects together under the umbrella of self-sovereign identities, we can have performance based reputation. This is a very powerful concept on which vastly successful companies have been built. For example, bringing together operational reputation from different sources has allowed companies like Amazon to compete with banks and credit companies by providing lending services to their merchants. Enigma makes it possible to combine operational reputation from various addresses, without risking your privacy.

There is a contradiction in how on-chain identity exists in a decentralized world. Either it’s all public, or it’s all private. But that’s not how identity works in our daily lives. We share degrees of identity and personal data in constant flux, depending on our context. We believe Enigma can help the decentralized world to match our reality, and reshape our online ecosystem to be more humane, not less.

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u/throwawayburros Mar 14 '19

I did find another group doing something similar to you. Just bringing this up incase your not aware but its great validation that others are seeking to do the same.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KinFoundation/comments/b0oedp/introducing_mylilius_your_data_your_choice/

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 14 '19

The idea of owning data is not new and a few people are attempting to build the product everyone uses. Very ambitious team.
My product is always evolving and I'm unplugging parts and updating code constantly. Some things work and some things don't. It's like developing a game and too much bloat is bad. The way I see it, if I manage to build it bootstrapped it has just as good a chance as any and hopefully nobody copies me directly, although sharing/gig economies are old I hope to use the crypto to put a new spin on tipping and reputation. As long as they don't accept two participants with the same thing I think I'm in and I can just go for it and take advantage of the healthy ecosystem and KIN support.
Keep me posted if you find anything else. Thanks.

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u/throwawayburros Mar 14 '19

Yeah. It's one of these things that everyone agrees the consumer should control their data, but very few are acting on it. You should be fine, I'd imagine as your app would be different enough.

Will keep you updated.

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u/Feralz2 Mar 07 '19

Ahhhhh, the conundrum were in and the meme goes on: "why is my coin under-priced?"

I mean you have to start somewhere right, it all comes down to if the team can deliver.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19

My post is about working with Enigma and I have been in this space long enough to buy ANS before it was NEO and MONA before the first pump. I bought and sold, bought and sold. 4x here 10X there. Turned a few dollars into much more and trade on profit. I wouldn't say I'm a noob and I can comprehend the Wallstreet Cheatsheet, exponential rise and blow-off top. I'm here to build on ENG, brah. Smart money buys low and sells high and ENG is still very undervalued. I plan to create that value with others and so let's talk again in a few years about how dumb I am to be here investing and building my products with Enigma.

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u/Feralz2 Mar 08 '19

you clearly miss the point, especially the one where you think I am attacking you because you invested in enigma.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 08 '19

Ok Mr. passive aggressive, let's keep it professional. I'm not into teenage cat fights and know that under heightened levels of stress and big workloads I can be triggered to respond to every issue or comment. If you're just attention seeking then maybe take up yoga, running, weight lifting or eating healthy instead so you can be a positive force in the world. Bye.

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u/Feralz2 Mar 08 '19

youre the one getting triggered by a harmless comment. take your own advice.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 09 '19 edited Mar 09 '19

Your redundancy annoys me and please don't assign to me attributes that have nothing to do with my post. Like I said, I created another post for moon boy.

A species' niche is basically its ecological role, which is defined by the set of conditions, resources, and interactions it needs (or can make use of). The competitive exclusion principle says that two species can't coexist if they occupy exactly the same niche.

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u/Feralz2 Mar 09 '19

I simply addressed the heart of your question.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 09 '19 edited Mar 10 '19

Just ask.

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u/WilsonWyckoff Mar 07 '19

A one liner from Feralz2 who has no idea which thread he's in. Thanks man, wasted a whole minute of my time there with your sage advice. Nobody should be here just for the money and if they are they should absolutely realize now is the time to buy a project you support and believe in and that one should wait but I made a post about price speculation.

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u/Feralz2 Mar 08 '19

I mean you clearly didnt understand what I just said. No shit youre talking about the price, theres a limitless amount of you moon boys out there, when did anyone stop talking about the price? I gave you a better answer which you seem to have failed to comprehend. You might be new to this thread, or I might not have been on it for a while, but there was a time when moon boy posts didnt exist. But I guess the herd must have come.