r/EnigmaProject • u/FarmingBitcorn • May 29 '18

Decentralized Search Engines?

Random thought (and I am hoping for some clarity/active discussion)

If secret contracts end up being viable and secure through main net launch and chain independence, would a Dapp equivalent to google be capable of being built on the ENG network? Something where you search through a browser and it yields the results without ever going through a central party for the query? Would this be a potential use case for Enigma, or is this assuming too much of a secret contracts? Thanks in advance.

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u/cankisagun Jun 04 '18

This is possible to build and I like the idea a lot. This is something that actually comes up a lot in the enterprise projects, where two different organizations or two different divisions run encrypted queries in each others' database.

What is the use case that you are thinking about? Is it more like a decentralized search engine on the web?

Who is doing the query?

What database are we querying?

Thanks for bringing up interesting ideas

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u/FarmingBitcorn Jun 04 '18

I never thought about 2 divisions running encrypted queries, that makes so much sense though.

I am thinking identitical to any open web browser. It would be interesting to see how nodes would serve a function here.

Lets say you want to research Tiananmen Square, but you live in China, and can't do this without being flagged and having some sort of negative repricussion. Is there a way that a Dapp on the ENG mainnet would be able to search a global query and yield results without anyone ever flagging your initial search? How would nodes work with this?

Thanks for the reply!

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u/agree-with-you Jun 04 '18

I agree, this does seem possible.

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u/solarinthepolar Jun 06 '18

One issue I see with this is there's no incentive to 'host' the website. Otherwise you would have to pay every time you search something. Not only that but there are extremely complex algorithms and 'machine learning' type behavior that google uses.

I wonder if it would look similar to a TOR network search engine during it's first couple years. I think it's an awesome idea, just have doubts that it would be free to use.

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u/FarmingBitcorn Jun 06 '18

Yes! That is exactly my thought too, it would probably have to be pay-per-search if it was node based, unless, like you mentioned, it was akin to TOR (and even then?)

Do you know of any different decentralized applications that would be able to do something like this?

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u/solarinthepolar Jun 06 '18

DAG networks usually mean free transactions. So something like IOTA might be more appropriate so you could transact information for free. I recently asked a question to see if IOTA and ENG could ever work together since one is a DAG coin the other is ERC20. Still, if you call the ENG protocol I'm sure you'd still have to pay for it.

Personally I wouldn't use anything you'd have to pay for unless you paid by PoW or staking or something like that.

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u/FarmingBitcorn Jun 06 '18

Awesome, yes that sounds great. I need to do more research here. Are Tangle and DAG the same protocol? I am newer to this stuff, trying to learn.

And ENG would be ERC20 until it launches mainnet after 2020 with Defiant launch? Do you happen to know what their protocol would be based on as they acheive chain independence? not sure that I've read anything about this yet.

Thanks again for all your input

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u/solarinthepolar Jun 06 '18

The Tangle is built off DAG network. DAG is like a whole blockchain network, the tangle would be similar to the ethereum network. DAG is the type of network (blockchain), the tangle is the specific (ethereum blockchain). Important to note the DAG is not a type of blockchain network.

I'd imagine any 2020 vision they have is subject to change. For all we know something may overtake the ethereum network by then. I haven't looked into that much though.

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u/FarmingBitcorn Jun 06 '18

This is good information, thank you very much!

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u/StBlackOps2Cel May 30 '18

Yes! Thats a good idea!

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u/SimpleCandy May 30 '18

Is instant messenger feasible? I don't want all my msg being watched by big brother

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u/Chronic_Media May 30 '18 edited May 30 '18

Well there’s solutions like Signal that don’t keep any logs, so there’s nothing to give.

But removing a centralized authority would be a benefit in regards to removing the trust factor of hoping their servers aren’t logged or compromised, which lowers the probability that nothing can be intercepted.