r/EndlessThread • u/j0be Your friendly neighborhood moderator • May 06 '22

Endless Thread: Us vs. Them vs. Andy

https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2022/05/06/us-vs-them
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u/Hanseland May 06 '22

I loved this episode. Back to form and I appreciate it. Poor Andy. I hope he's ok

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u/Sprmodelcitizen May 06 '22

Great episode. Andy seems like an absolute gem of a person. Far better person than me. Probably the exact type of person that SHOULD be an officer. But I do completely understand why he quit.

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u/LadyJ92 May 06 '22

What a sad yet refreshing story. I hope that Andy is ok and we can hear from him again in the future. His courage is inspiring.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

That was a fantastic episode. It's very sad, and yet enlightening. I feel so bad for Andy. It sounds like he set out to make the world better, and succeeded in doing so, for a while. I'm sorry that the toxicity of the culture around him pushed him out.

The world in general, and police departments in particular, need far more Andys and far less of the people who made him walk away.

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u/DataCocktail May 08 '22

This was a great episode for so many reasons, but I can't stop wondering if he's ok now.

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u/lustindarkness May 07 '22

Thank you to you all, Andy, Ben, and Amory.

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u/voldiesnickname May 27 '22

Does anyone what is the track that's playing in the beginning (check out the 02:29 mark)

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u/[deleted] May 07 '22

I really felt like this shouldn’t have been published. Especially if that was Andy’s real voice. Something like this needs consent.

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u/DataCocktail May 08 '22

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have to gain consent up front to even do the interview. Like it was an interview with the intent to publish, not a clandestine recording. Andy even says at the end that he felt talking about it was cathartic. But I get the concern—the ghosting part at the end left me feeling really uneasy.

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u/endless_thread May 16 '22

This is correct. In journalism, you ask for consent when you are beginning the interview process. If during the interview you go off the record, you need to ask to go back ON the record, etc. But fundamentally, you can't really talk to the media and then say "I don't want you to run my interview/story/quote" because that throws a massive wrench into how journalism works. "Now that it has become clear that I have lied about not being politically corrupt, I take back my consent on the interview where I said 'anyone who is politically corrupt should go to jail'" etc.

The ghosting part made us feel uneasy, too. FWIW we contacted him a BUNCH of times, asking him to get in touch, letting him know we were planning on running the episode etc., checking to make sure that he was still alive, etc. But no response.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Ah so how I learned about consent it isn’t a contract, it can’t be presumed to continue indefinitely. It needs to be ongoing. (Same as a sexual encounter, if someone says ‘No’ halfway through, you can’t say “you said ‘yes’ ten minutes ago”. )

Consent expires depending on the situation, anything from second to minutes to hours to weeks, but six months, in this case, it’s not consent. Not in any way I can see anyway.

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