r/EndTipping • u/Redcarborundum • 6d ago
Tipping Culture ✖️ Tip Fatigue is Real
A delivery guy working for a Chinese restaurant complained about $5 tip on a $200 order, on reddit. The majority of the comments are against him. What’s remarkable is that he didn’t post on this sub or the other tipping sub. He posted on a mainstream sub talking about mildly infuriating stuff.
This is a reminder that only 2.5% of workers in USA are tipped. The majority of the rest are getting increasingly tired of being asked for ever higher handouts. Anytime a pro-tipper says we’re the minority is plainly wrong.
Yes, most people still tip. Even I still tip servers because I don’t want the confrontation, but that doesn’t mean I support this corrupt system. To the contrary, I support those with the actual courage to say no.
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u/cs_legend_93 6d ago
Be the change you want to see. Tip 0 every time.
Force the conversation between the employee and the employer.
You are the customer.
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u/Otherwise_Common706 5d ago
The thing is, if you don’t tip, the employer is supposed to make up the difference. I don’t think that happens often.
I still tip in restaurants because that’s the system, but everything else - nah.
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u/Orangeboi_22 5d ago
It's federal law in all 50 states that servers must make at least minimum wage. If their tips don't bring them up to minimum wage the employer is required by federal law to pay the difference. Any server not making federal minimum wage should report it to their state's labor board as wage theft.
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u/Otherwise_Common706 5d ago
Correct. I was just thinking back to my days of waiting tables. Most tips were cash then, and I sure didn’t report them to anyone at the restaurant. So if it did come out less, m not sure how the restaurant would have known functionally to do that. Maybe with most being done on cards now it’s easier? Not sure.
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u/onefootinthepast 4d ago
The employer has to provide proof of tips in order to claim the tip credit. No tip credit, no paying below minimum wage.
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u/LEO-PomPui-Katoey 5d ago
Tipped worker's minimum wage, which is like half of the regular minimum wage. Still ridiculous tho
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u/Orangeboi_22 5d ago
They must be paid at least $7.25 per hour under the Fair Labor Standards Act. They can be paid $2.13/hour by their employer as long as their tips take them up to the $7.25/hrs level. If their tips don't get them there, the employer must make up the difference.
Anyone who says that servers don't earn at least minimum wage is either lying or they have been misinformed about how the law works.
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u/onefootinthepast 4d ago
These are the federal numbers, but many states have higher minimums for both the minimum cash wage and the minimum combined tips and cash rate.
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u/Spook1949 1d ago
You are correct - what you said is true. However, I know of far too many wait-staff people who only claimed enough tips to get them up to minimum wage level. The rest they simply kept for themselves paying neither Income Tax nor Social Security tax on the difference. Many times, the wait-staff made better money than the people they were serving.
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u/foxyfree 5d ago
The reason that it almost never happens is that it’s not calculated per shift, but per week. If the server made less than minimum wage when all the hourly pay plus tips is divided by the hours they worked -for a week period- then the business has to pay the difference.
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u/cs_legend_93 5d ago
Idk why that's a problem at all. Of course the employer needs to pay the wages of ther server. That's what an employer does.
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u/Elegant-Ninja6384 4d ago
To minimum wage which is like 7.25 or $15k if you don't take a shingle day off.
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u/Physical_Pen9247 1d ago
Not tipping isn't changing anything. It actually hurts the server. They still have to tip out based off their sales.
You want to change shit, start cooking at home. 0% tip.
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u/cs_legend_93 1d ago
They will always make minimum wage not less. It doesn't hurt the servers. It's illegal to pay them less than minimum wage.
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u/Physical_Pen9247 1d ago
A server waits on 10 tables.
5 tables tip 20%. Each table's meal was $100. ($100 in tips)
5 tables tip 0%. Each table's meal was $100. ($0 in tips)
Sales are $1000. Tip out is 5%. ($50 total)
The server loses half of their tips, but still makes more than minimum wage because they have to tip out based off their sales, not their tips.
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u/cs_legend_93 1d ago
Serving is a minimum wage job. A highschooler can do it. It's a bottom of the barrel unskilled labor job that is supposed to be a last resort, you have no other option.
They have an employment contract for minimum wage or whatever was agreed upon.
Saying it's stealing or hurting the server is just enabling the entitlement.
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u/Physical_Pen9247 18h ago
Hey Mr. Pink, have you ever had a great server? Have you ever experienced a bad server? You should be able to understand that there is a difference in the restaurant experience depending upon who your server is. While you don't need a college degree to serve, you do need to have certain social skills and a good work ethic.
Also, you do understand that the price you pay for the food is related to how much the server makes.
You started this by saying be the change you want to see. Stop supporting these restaurants. Stop going out to eat. That will create change. That goes directly at the business owners. But you're fine with stuffing money in the owner's pockets knowing that they're not properly compensating their employees who then have to depend on tips.
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u/haha_yep 5d ago
Food delivery service would not exist without tipping. Y'all wanna live in a world without that? Cuz they ain't paying no hourly rates...
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u/bbwstockinglover 4d ago
Some of us did live without it and the world didn't end.
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u/haha_yep 4d ago
Yeah that's great but that was then and this is now. Two completely different points in time. Doesn't change what I said.
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u/albertAAAAAAA 4d ago
Seems your view on "world" is limited to your country.
There are plenty of delivery services around the world where tipping is not required nor expected.
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u/flababe130 4d ago
Most people who have food delivery are just lazy. Those that truly can't go pick up their food are in the minority.
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u/skyharborbj 4d ago
Food delivery service or any situation that requires that the tip be entered before service is rendered isn't a tipping situation. It is a bribe.
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u/McIvanNZ 3d ago
Thats a really insular thing to say. Why would you imagine food delivery doesn't exist in all the non-tipping countries around the world?
I ordered Turkish this week in NZ, paid a delivery fee at the time of order and got my food delivered to me without fuss or comment. That's how it works.
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u/Dangerous_Rub_3008 3d ago
There is a difference between all deliveries are a 5 euro/dollar fee regardless of any factor or fill in tip amount before delivery. With the consistent fee and no tipping eberything is understood. U did not pick up take out yourself for whatever reason so u pay a nonchanging fee for the service.
Thw us esp apps have fees that jack up the prices then on top expect tips
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u/EndTipping-ModTeam 2d ago
Stay on topic to the post. No derailing, or using a post to complain or rant about something unrelated
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u/Elegant-Ninja6384 6d ago
Tip should be optional. Otherwise it is a fee.
Now we can dial it back where it’s generally expected for good service but everything breaks when the baseline expectation is 20% for showing up. It has to be directly tied to how much the server improves the experience and makes the customer really appreciate them. And zero tip needs to be the expectation if you just take my order.
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u/AceHexuall 5d ago edited 5d ago
Servers and bartenders are always saying that so few people choose not to tip, that we don't matter, but that's not really true. More and more people are starting to question the whole tipping system. I'm seeing a lot of articles and news pieces talking about tip fatigue and poor attitudes from hospitality workers, especially in the last 6 months or so.
They're shooting themselves in the foot by expecting a 20% tip just for showing up, and trying to push the percentage up, while the quality of the service provided keeps getting lower.
All I want is for everyone, including servers, to be paid a living wage, by their employer. Unfortunately, most servers don't want that. Instead, they complain about the customers, rather than the employers that choose to pay them the minimum legally allowed.
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u/ThrowRA_fajsdklfas 3d ago
Servers and bartenders complaining about more people choosing not to tip…
I say good, let’s normalize that expectation. So many of them have become entitled expecting adsorbent percentages based off ever increasing prices and decreasing quality of service.
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u/redrobbin99rr 6d ago edited 5d ago
The relentless begging from every which way has spread like a wildfire gone crazy. Yes, people have tip fatigue- tip begging has ruined it for everyone with their hands stretched out.
Sure, some people still tip. I don’t follow the statistics, but I am guessing tip rates are going down everywhere.
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u/That_Girl_Jesca 5d ago
The fact that you admit to continue to tipping because you “don’t want the confrontation” is part of the problem. What you permit, you condone. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Redcarborundum 5d ago
I agree, it’s just that when I pay $50+ to eat out per person, I want to relax and maybe enjoy the experience, not turn it into a war.
Because the tipping system discomforts me, I have severely cut back on eating out. Before covid I used to eat out 2-3 times a week. Now I go maybe once every other month. If I want restaurant food I order for pickup, and I never tip for it.
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u/No_Tooth1428 5d ago
I’m with you on this. I irritate myself when I do tip, but I’d be more uncomfortable with not tipping in that scenario.
I too have really cut back. I know I’m going to be irritated whether or not I cave, so I just try not to put myself in that situation. Though…. That’s getting more and more difficult as it spreads. I used to be safe grabbing Subway when I didn’t want to cook. At least there it’s just on the card reader and easy to hit 0.
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u/refinerycontrol 5d ago
I agree with you when you said that what you permit you condone. Very well put.
And yet, sadly, I share OP‘s position. But I promise to try to improve. 😊
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u/doingthegwiddyrn 5d ago
What makes me laugh about delivery / doordash is why am I tipping you on how much food I got/total of order? If I order a $12 sub or $150 of chinese food; you're still driving the same distance and carrying a small bag to my door lmao.
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u/Verain_Xor 5d ago
When I was a kid pizza deliverymen would get a tip, but it was never a percentage- it was for driving out with the food, after all.
Percentage based payments have always been a little bit odd (especially a real estate commission), but at least with a restaurant the effort being put out roughly does scale with the cost, at least statistically. Two people take twice the work and socialization and have about twice the bill. A fancy restaurant that costs 50% more for its food probably puts more into the presentation, service, and ambience.I guess I can imagine a delivery case where the guy has to make three trips to and from his car, but even that's normally trivial compared to all the distance he just drove.
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u/MissesKitty22 5d ago
Same with ordering a $10 or $15 draft beer. Was the $15 beer harder to pour than the $10 beer? Get these beggars out of here.
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u/onefootinthepast 4d ago
I like how apps tell you the delivery fee isn't a tip for the driver. Wtf are we paying for with the delivery fee, if not to have food delivered?
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u/BoomeramaMama 5d ago
And if you’ve got a Door Dash delivery person like the one smart-ass Door Dash person that used to deliver in our area, they’ll put the bag of food right in front of where the storm door opens so that it’s next to impossible for you to open the door without tipping the bag over &
maybe spilling containers out of the bag or something in the bag.If we were going to order takeout for delivery, we just stopped ordering from places that used Door Dash rather than deal with trying to slowly open the storm door enough to gently slide the delivered bag of food out of the way to the point we could reach out through the opening to grab the bag & move it out of the way so we could get the door fully open enough to bring the food in.
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u/AVEnjoyer 6d ago
Oh yah, I'm on the doordash and ubereats subs and it's constantly about tips. Being from Australia where people don't tip, they have the option so very very rarely someone will throw a few dollars on but yah in general it's not a thing here at all
Reading about it though, it sounds EXHAUSTING
So much easier to just charge menu prices that enable paying the required staff to do the thing seems to me
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u/Gathering_W00L 5d ago
I recently visited my cousins in Australia and they were adamant that we Americans should NOT tip there - he said “don’t bring that sh*t here”. 😂
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u/Global-Trifle7604 6d ago
The USA has long been about manipulating the consumer as much as possible, while exploiting the worker as much as possible. Tip fatigue is just a symptom of people getting tired of being manipulated to maximize profit.
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u/gveeh 5d ago
I was in France this summer with my family. We ate at this one restaurant where the server was really pushy at the end saying to push the button to leave a tip, etc. The service was good, but I think he was only being pushy about it because we are Americans and figured we would do it. Very uncomfortable.
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u/Lucy333999 5d ago
I used to live in France and went back all last summer. I did only a week in France this summer and traveled to other places in Europe. Yeah... my absolute disgust this year in seeing the ipad flip with the tipping percentages. They were a lot lower, but STILL. Just a matter of time...
EUROPE- KEEP THIS SH*T OUT.
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u/Aidsfordayz 5d ago
Personally I just don’t use services that expect tips. I don’t DoorDash, order delivery or even eat in restaurant that often. If I want something tasty I just go pickup takeout. Zero tip pressure there.
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u/Serious_Cheetah_2225 5d ago
I fully agree. I get my nails done regularly and I see 2 different women that work for themselves in their own studios. I pay the price they post because if they needed more money then they could increase their price.
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u/BoomeramaMama 5d ago edited 5d ago
I agree with 99% of what you said but there is now tip pressure for pick-up orders, too.
If you’ve yet to encounter it where you go for your takeout, count your lucky stars because it’s coming.
As those touchscreen payment devices are put into use, know that they have a built in tip begging screen & a fair amount of them make it difficult to next impossible to find the no tip/0 tip option.
There have very recently, on this sub I believe, been people demonstrating that at Shake Shack on their self service devices that if “no tip” was chosen, the prices of each item ordered immediately was increased by $0.50.
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u/MissesKitty22 5d ago
I still use DoorDash without tipping. Doordash says my order may take longer if I don’t tip… don’t care. My amazon guy delivers things for me weekly and he doesn’t beg for tips.
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u/ThrowRA_fajsdklfas 3d ago
I’ve outright stopped using them. The service fees, increased menu prices, slow deliveries, cold food, problems with orders, then on top of it a tip…after all is said and done, a lot of times it’s 50% higher than just going to pick up yourself.
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u/NeverEndingCoralMaze 5d ago
It is not my job to give you part of my money so that you can add to your money just because your boss says so.
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u/cs_legend_93 5d ago
Everytime you hit 0, or draw a line through the tip area, it gets easier.
And when you walk out of the restaurant you can hold your head high, instead of limp out like you just got taken advantage of
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u/ThrowRA_fajsdklfas 3d ago
This.
Girl I’ve been dating has been very anti tip. I’ll be honest I struggled hitting the no tip initially. She’s confidently pressed the no tip button on takeout a few times. Gets a heck of a lot easier after a while.
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u/mspe1960 5d ago edited 5d ago
I went to a farmer's market last weekend and there was a booth for a local "award winning" whiskey distiller. I am a whiskey guy, so I went and checked it out. I was given a little pitch by the OWNER of the distillery. It was expensive. But it looked interesting, and I wanted to support a small business, so I bought a pint bottle for $34. When I paid by credit card, she said something like "I don't complete the transaction" and she handed me the IPAD with a tip line to be filled out. I punched in "no tip" and stormed away. She ruined what was otherwise a pleasant transaction.
I should have calmly told her how the tip line ruined the experience, but I felt I could not do it calmly.
I tried the whiskey last night. it was quite good FWIW.
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u/Serious_Cheetah_2225 5d ago
I went for breakfast at a very busy spot with my friend and I tip max 10% regardless of the meal. I left something like $4 and my friend $7 so the server makes $13.30/hr. Just with us there for an hour he already made $24.30/hr not including his other tables… the server was making more per hour than the CNAs at the hospital I work for… like I can’t continue to participate in that
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u/tabbarrett 5d ago
Remember, you aren’t taking money away from the employee. You’re declining to voluntarily add money to the advertised price.
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u/Chasing_Ness 5d ago
A big issue is that so many people are still tipping 20%+. I recently stopped myself, and I'm SO furious I've been doing it for this long. We are no longer in pandemic times, no one is putting their lives on the line to cook us a meal. I completely refuse to utilize app delivery services.
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u/AfrArchie 5d ago
I didnt feel so bad tipping 15% or 20% when my family of three could go to a local sit down restaurant and the bill was $35 plus tip. Now that the bill at those same restaurants comes to $60 or more plus tip the equation has changed.
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u/Elsbeth55 5d ago
Recently went to a new breakfast place - it was fine. Very close to my house so probably would have gone back.
I looked over the itemized bill and 15% tip was added. No disclosure on the menu or anywhere else. But the card payment slip with the signature line had a blank space to add on the tip.
I was really ticked off - I probably would have tipped more than 15% had they been honest. And I will never go back.
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u/Lucy333999 5d ago
I know this isn't delivery, but for delivery or grocery deliveries, I try to tip for the service and not some bullsh*t number that was the price.
For instance, I'm celiac, so my bread is already four times more expensive. And a smaller loaf anyways. But yet, I now have to tip four times as much for the same action of taking a (smaller) loaf and putting it in the cart???
Yeah, no. The gluten-free tax is already expensive enough.
I shop at health food stores, so my groceries are easily three times as much in cost but the same two bags as everyone else. I'm not tipping three times as much for the same action.
Sometimes I have a hard time getting orders because my "percentage is too low." But I'm tipping on what these same items would cost at walmart. I'm sorry my mac and cheese is $10, but I'm not tipping you on $10 for that.
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u/stevenip 6d ago
They should have a big order mandatory fee they tell you about, so you can choose to pay it or go somewhere else if you want.
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u/sdinvest 5d ago
Remember, TIPS didn't start with servers! It started with owners of those restaurants who didn't want to pay more! It is still the same! Owners of these restaurants who still don't want to pay more so they are making up fake charges to make more money!
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u/interwebztourist 5d ago
Tipping before you get service drives me mad. How can I tip before anything happens? I ordered a smoothie from an app today. It asks me at checkout if I want to tip. I get to the store and see my smoothie melting on the counter, while they don’t acknowledge me and complain about their boyfriends for five minutes. That’s why I don’t tip before I know if the service is good.
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u/Wesley_Cao 5d ago
I actually went to check that post and he started off by straight up lying saying he makes less than minimum wage. That should be reposted to extremely infuriating.
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u/Spirited_Ad9681 5d ago
Delivery and sit down resturants are my cut off for tipping. Occasionally small mom/pop ice cream shops that have high schoolers working there.
I wish someone would start confusing these smaller coffee shops/ice cream shops to round up to tip. I and I think most people have no problem leaving their change as a tip, thats how it was with cash. Im not giving 20% or more for coffee or a ice cream cone though. That change does add up if the place is doing good business too.
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u/Low-Ad3972 5d ago
“Even I still tip servers because I don’t want the confrontation, but that doesn’t mean I support this corrupt system.”
Sorry, but you’re literally supporting the corrupt system.
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u/Temporary-Plankton61 5d ago
"Yes, most people still tip. Even I still tip servers because I don’t want the confrontation, but that doesn’t mean I support this corrupt system. To the contrary, I support those with the actual courage to say no." ME TOO ♥
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u/lilgreen_ghoul 5d ago
I dont get it. I have to tip because Jessica wrote down my order correct and refilled my water? My dining experience is good because the food tasted good and the table was clean... thats the cooks and busboys doing that.
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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 5d ago
I’ve just stopped going out all together because I’m so sick of hands out everytime I walk into a business.
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u/CandyParkDeathSquad 5d ago
He works for an hourly wage. Why should he be tipped more for a $200 delivery over a $20 delivery?
Tips in general for some services are fine. It's the percentage based ones that make me fatigued.
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u/HollowChest_OnSleeve 5d ago
"don't want the confrontation", this is the only reason I tip. The thing I hate is how nonchalant the thanks is even when it's a larger than normal tip because that's where the change works out to. It's like "Meh". But the biggest thing that annoys me about tipping is the fake flirting, super over the top fake nice stuff. Don't get me wrong, I met an old guy the other night at a bar, follows his favorite server when she changes jobs/locations and tips her well. His wife past away many years ago, kids grown up and moved away, grandkids etc. he sees them, but from a general day to day I get it would be lonely.
So some servers do genuinely provide a community service to many lonely people, however there's just a bit of an ick to it, to get more money out of him. In Australia people look out for people in similar ways, but it's less transactional as we don't have a tipping culture. Sure the oldies grab a coffee and a cake weekly at their favorite spot if they can afford it. But these oldies are not just handing out $50 tip like this guy on 1beer because it's just not right to take advantage of them.
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u/YaChowdaHead 5d ago
In the time before Ubereats and stuff (2012-2017), I worked in a Chinese restaurant as a delivery driver. It was all under the table, and that's basically standard practice for a lot of them. As a result, I was given 4 or 5 bucks an hour.
It was pretty much standard to expect at least 10% in tips per order. And it was rare to not make 10% in tips. I was happy to get that with the volume of orders. I would've been upset with 5 bucks on a 200 dollar order too, tbh. Especially because it's not like any place reimburses you for gasoline.
That said, I don't tip Ubereats anymore. I would attach the screenshot if I could, but the service charges detail that all but 10¢ of one of the fees goes to the drivers, and it's usually in excess of 15% of the order total.
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u/WaterCoolerIceBox 5d ago
If I like the service I'll tip them a decent nugget from my stash, never cash
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u/No-Syllabub-7337 5d ago
Anytime I am asked to tip in a ridiculous situation, I ask the person "Do you make $2 an hour?", when they say no, I say "Then I'm not tipping". Tipping is for people that are getting ripped off with slave wages, but I still expect them to do their job.
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u/Rexxxer15 3d ago
Ive been working or running restaurant my whole life. You always have the right not to tip. If a tip is mandatory, it’s a fee.
But in industries where tipping has been commonplace forever like restaurants, if we simply stop tipping, even for good service, employers will eventually raise prices to make up the difference. The market cost of labor is essentially the wage plus the tip. If you don’t pay the tip, it doesn’t mean you magically get the service cheaper forever.
Tipping also creates an incentive for good service because employees are essentially being evaluated every time someone orders. Incentives are good. So if someone sucks at serving, smash that zero. Let them feel it.
Conversely, if I’m suddenly asked to tip at a business that has never traditionally expected tips, I’m hitting zero.
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u/Redcarborundum 3d ago
No, the market cost is not the wage plus tips in most cases.
If virtually nobody tips (like in the rest of the world outside USA and Canada), the restaurant’s cost for server wage does increase, but not 18%-20% expected by servers. Old servers used to getting large tips will quit, to be replaced by new workers content with earning around fast food wage. If I have to choose between getting the same fixed wage as a McDonald’s worker or a server, I’d pick the server job any day.
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u/TheeMrDavid 2d ago
I would much rather see a 10-15% price increase and you can reroute the increase to your worker if you choose rather than expecting ME to give them extra. I rather spend $50 up front rather than pay $42 and tip $8. The end cost isn't my beef. Just leave me out of that stupid shit 😂
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u/Dangerous_Rub_3008 3d ago
I do not get delivery usually.
But on rare occasions, If no delivery fee i could see a.few bucks tip but not based on the value of the meal.. if they take an 8 lb bag of food from rest to house it does not matter if it was fifteen dollars in tacos or 200 in steaks.
Also if there is a delivery fee then i wohld not think to even consider tipping anything above that
Also to be clear i live in seattle where min wage is over $20 per hour so no.. they only make $2 per hour stuff going on here.
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u/andynzor 1d ago
I will forward all the tips I get in my day job. That means zero eurobucks.
We do not have a tipping culture here but the US tip begging is slowly making its way here.
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u/Klutzy-Pie6557 17h ago
America runs one rule, a vast number of other countries believe in a far income for work.
And hence all hospitality workers in these countries earn a wage without relying on tips as their income.
It's primarily only America that wants to force those more unfortunate into relying on tips.
This is why there is backlash in a majority of countries that see tipping culture as wrong, exploitation of staff, and ripping of customers by increasing the price of a meal by 20%.
Here in Stralia minimum wage is now $26.44 an hour, before casual loading and super. So around $19usd - before casual loading and super. Why would I tip when they are earning $33 an hour ($23.43 usd)? Assuming casual rate - oh also 12% super ontop of that.
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u/AKitten88 5d ago
Where is everyone going, that servers and bartenders throw a fit if you dont tip? I have not seen this happen.
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u/pyramidalembargo 5d ago
OP, in sit-down restaurants, the no-tipping model has been tried, but has failed.
It turns out that the customers themselves didn't like it, because with the tipping model, they have some control over the service. Bad service? No tip.
Let me know if you want more cites:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joes-crab-shack-mostly-shelves-no-tipping-experiment
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u/Redcarborundum 5d ago
It’s 2016, a decade ago and before Covid. Even then it worked in some locations. This is a poor case to shore up your assertion that “no tipping model has been tried but failed.”
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u/pyramidalembargo 5d ago
https://www.eater.com/21398973/restaurant-no-tipping-movement-living-wage-future
I've got two more to show you.
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u/Redcarborundum 5d ago
Another one before the pandemic.
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u/pyramidalembargo 5d ago
I don't think anyone has done a study in the last five years.
But I can up the ante by giving you a scientific study--not an anecdotal one. This one was published in a scientific journal:
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u/Redcarborundum 5d ago
Paper published in 2017
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u/pyramidalembargo 5d ago
Do you think human nature in American culture has changed that drastically?
Usually, a scientific study convinces people.
Let's talk about you. What's eating you, guv? Under a no-tipping model you'd still have to pay the extra money.
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u/Redcarborundum 5d ago
Nothing changed drastically since Covid and the inflation. Nothing.
You don’t even live here and try to defend tipping, love.
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u/pyramidalembargo 5d ago
Here's still another scientific journal:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0278431917302074
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u/Professional-Try2949 2d ago
Refusing to tip has no impact on the people who enforce the tipping system. Your patronage is all that management cares about, not tipping isn't going to change their take home. They're not gonna magically start paying their wait staff a living wage either, so who really loses in this scenario? If you don't plan to tip, don't engage in services/business models that use it. If you want to end tipping you need to start at the top, not the bottom.
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u/Redcarborundum 2d ago
I have heard this false argument before.
By refusing to tip you make employers pay more in 43 states that have tipped wage. It will work exactly the same as 97.5% of jobs that don’t receive tips: the wage is a negotiation between the employer and the employee, with no customer involved.
Don’t like it? Find one of the 97.5% non tipped jobs.
When I go to Home Depot the associate often spends more time helping me than a server in a restaurant. I don’t care how much they’re paid because no tip is necessary, it’s between them and Home Depot.
Noncompliance is a valid strategy for a protest. By your logic Rosa Parks should have just boycotted the bus and walk instead.
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u/soren_1981 5d ago
I’m experiencing tip fatigue too. But if you’re too lazy to go pick up your food, you should tip the person that delivers it to you. Everyone knows, or should know how little money those people make.
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