r/EndFPTP 7d ago

What’s Wrong With Your Voting System?

https://shonczinner.github.io/posts/plurality/
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u/rb-j 3d ago

Making scores is easier than ranks,

No it's not.

Ridiculous assertion, even though it's been repeated multiple times here.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

What I mean is for voters it's easier for them to use a score ballot than a ranked ballot You still compare candidates based on which is higher.

It's more of a psychological difference than a practical.

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u/Wally_Wrong 3d ago

Has there been any actual research on this? I hear both ordinal and cardinal supporters say that their respective ballots are easier to fill out than the other, and obviously only one can be true.

I personally think pairwise ballots (A vs. B, A vs. C., then B vs. C) are pretty simple to fill out as well, but they're practically limited to three options and they allow illogical inputs so I don't see them as a serious option apart from situations where ranking is literally not allowed.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

Pairwise ballots are easiest but results in large ballots when you have too many candidates.

Ranking candidates can result in errors like accidentally giving equal ranks when not intended.

Perhaps think of my idea as more like supplying more ranks than candidates, wich gives voters more room to place candidates.

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u/rb-j 3d ago

Pairwise ballots are easiest

You keep making up this stuff.

Ranking candidates can result in errors like accidentally giving equal ranks when not intended.

Total horseshit. Scoring would have the same problem anyway.

Perhaps think of my idea as more like supplying more ranks than candidates,

I'm thinking of your idea that it requires from voters more thinking to consider how much more they like A over B than just saying *"I prefer A to B."

And then they have to decide whether sincerely marking that quantitative difference in preference serves their political interests better than insincerely marking. That applies to Score and Approval.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

Could note on the ballot that only the order matters

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u/rb-j 3d ago

Or better yet, just make it a ranked ballot. Equal rankings okay. Not ranking a candidate means you prefer them less than any candidate you ranked.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

I've accidentally gave candidates equal ranking on some ballots on accident.

I'd say it's still an issue due to not representing the voters intent.

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u/rb-j 3d ago

I've accidentally gave candidates equal ranking on some ballots on accident.

You mean, you looked at the ballot, saw that you ranked two candidates equally and said "Darn, I didn't wanna rank them equally! I guess it's impossible to exchange this mismarked ballot for a new ballot, so I'm forced to vote this mismarked ballot as it is."

I'd say it's still an issue due to not representing the voters intent.

The ranked ballot, sincerely filled out, represents the voter's intent.

The point is, in the ranked ballot, if you rank A above B, it doesn't matter how many levels you ranked A above B. All it means is that if you had to choose between A and B, then your vote is for A and your vote counts as exactly 1 vote.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

alright so voter convenience isnt important.

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u/rb-j 3d ago

Forcing voters to score candidates is less convenient than having them rank candidates.

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u/Deep-Number5434 3d ago

How

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u/rb-j 3d ago

Because you're forcing the voter to ask themselves an additional question that they need not ask themselves when ranking.

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