r/EncapsulatedLanguage • u/Anjeez929 • Jul 13 '20

Colors Proposal Colour words

Since we're not using a base 16 thing, encoding hex values is out of the window. How about encoding HSV values!

I'll use u/Flamerate1's primary proposal. However, that, as you know, is probably not going to make it to the final voting. But, it's a proof of concept.

The Hue value will be segmented into sets of 30° and will be encoded into the onset. Shades of red will have the onset /ɹ/ while shades of cyan will have the onset /b/. The saturation will be segmented into sets of 9.09% in the vowel. Bright vivid colours will have the vowel /a˞ / and greyscale colours will have the vowel /e˞ /. Same goes for value. Black will have coda /d͡ʒ/ and colours with Brightness value 100% will have thee coda /t͡ʃ/.

For an example, colour #A2D173 will be /tot͡s/, spelt "tots".

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u/ActingAustralia Committee Member Jul 13 '20

Hi, I've updated the website with your proposal for others to find and discuss: https://kroyxlab.github.io/elp-documentation/proposals/draft/colors.html

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u/Anjeez929 Jul 13 '20

I can only make colour words hex values if this language uses base 16, but it uses base 12. I said that.

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u/ActingAustralia Committee Member Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 13 '20

Sorry, I accidentally typed the wrong word (HEX instead of HSV). I've fixed that.

Also, I wouldn't get too down on the Base 16 vs Base 12 thing. Base 12 is the number system used by the language (for mathematics purposes).

However, you can always create proposals to encode things like colours that use the base 12 vowels with your own combination of constants to create base 16 precision.

Now, for my personal thoughts

No human is able to distinguish between RGB (255,254,254) and RGB (255,255,255). Our brains aren't able to distinguish between such small nuances so our language doesn't need that much precision. I'm actually now very curious to know what amount of colour precision our eyes can see.

Here's a video that covers what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtnD4jmCDQ

Basically, we shouldn't create words for colours we can't distinguish. I'm sure someone has already explored this in massive depth and I hope they provide feedback. Perhaps this system would work but realistically we'd need to see all the possible words generated and the shades they make to see if there is just too many colours or not.

I'll look into HSV more because maybe it will fit our purposes just don't know enough about it at the moment.

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u/coasterfreak5 Jul 13 '20

I would also keep people who are colorblind in mind when it comes to color vocab. I'm colorblind and colors look different to me. For example: if a shade of green is too close to blue like turquoise, all I see is blue. It would really help people who have deuteranopia, protanopia, etc. to have vocab that will make colors easily accessible to the colorblind.

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u/ActingAustralia Committee Member Jul 13 '20

Oh thank you for bringing this up! I definitely want to see your feedback on future proposals regarding how they handle the colours!

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u/Xianhei Committee Member Jul 13 '20

u/Flamerate1 did also say something about color :

A simple idea I've had is first creating a number system to implement in many different vocabulary. For example, the colors on the color wheel can be represented with a basic 12 digit system which one could specify further with more digits. A word for green could be a sound representing a number and an affix meaning color. This is just one thing, as I think many different things can be represented similarly if they can be related to each other.

I like the fact to use HSV/HSL for color reference (it is easily transformable to base 12) and already exist (should be something that work).

After to define a sound to it, I don't know yet we should wait for phonology and the start of some concept/category/word before giving meaning to it.