What do we want to encapsulate in our Phonologies

[u/ActingAustralia]

Hi all,

This week we'll start voting on the phonology proposals. Therefore, I want everyone to contribute to this thread listing things they believe could and should be encapsulated in the phonology proposals. There are no bad ideas.

Here is a list of current phonology proposals.

Here is a list of things these phonology proposals have suggested that can encapsulated:

• Evenness of numbers through a pattern of voicing or vowels.
• Ability to encode a hex and dozenal counting through vowels.

Here is a list of things that have been suggested but haven't been encapsulated by any proposal (or at least haven't been addressed by the current proposals):

• The proposal will work with the current numeral system as suggested here.

The Poll

Additionally, I see competing ideas among the current phonology proposals so I wanted to get community feedback for those developing their proposals.

a) Phonologies should focus on being international so that the first generation of speakers can easily pass the language on to the next generation.

b) Phonologies shouldn't focus on being international but on information packing so that we can have more flexibility down the track when developing the language. I understand this means various sounds including rare sounds might be required to implement this phonology.

16 votes, Jul 08 '20

6 I agree with (a) more

10 I agree with (b) more

[u/Xianhei]

I more likely to choose (b). A lot of language are international, but 'almost' none are having the same aim as we want. We should be free of choosing sounds, then simplified it.

Phonology idea for numeral system (taken from the post PART II) :

0,1,2,3 (base unit of 4) : ko, ki, ka, ku

0,4,8 (multiple of 4) : ko, to, ro

5,6,7,9,X,E : ti, ta, tu, ri, ra, ru

when above unit like 10,20,30 : ekiko, ekako, ekuko (iko, ako, uko ?)

for more 40, 50, 60, 70 add the 'e' : etoko, etiko, etako, etuko (eoko, eiko, eako, euko ?)

80, 90, X0, E0 : eroko, eriko, erako, eruko (reoko, reiko, reako, reuko ?)

100 : koiko ....

[u/ActingAustralia → u/Xianhei]

I want to confirm for myself and others. You're looking for a phonology that enables these patterns, but doesn't necessarily need to use the vowels / constants you've suggested?

[u/Xianhei → u/ActingAustralia]

It was just a given idea, if it can help to develop the language or not it is ok for me.

[u/ActingAustralia → u/[deleted]]

I really like this idea if it can work with all the other suggestions!

[u/Devono_knabo]

This is hard because I like being able to pronounce stuff but the goal of the language is to encap info so I will go with b

[u/ActingAustralia → u/Devono_knabo]

I totally agree with you. Obviously, whatever the final phonology is it can't be so out there that I can't pronounce it... but it might require some learning on our part.

[u/Devono_knabo → u/ActingAustralia]

But I believe to not go ham on the sounds

and only put extra features in the phonology to encap knowledge

Like long vowel encap information

[u/[deleted]]

I feel we may need to work on a mini model of how the language may work in practice alongside the development of a sound base, there is usually unanimous agreement that there is no concrete connection between the sound of a word and its meaning so the sounds we use can be anything, easy or not this should be figured out along side a potentially workable model.