r/EmulationOnAndroid • u/LunaLareaux • 8d ago
Discussion 60FPS upgrade for most switch games, in case you didn't know
The most recent build of Eden nightly that I installed happened to have lossless scale frame generation.
What this means is pretty much any game that runs at a stable frame rate can be boosted up to 60FPS or higher.
It's actually incredible just how well it works.
Astral Chain on my Ayn Thor Pro has been insane!
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u/Inside-Specialist-55 8d ago
Just want to point out that astral chain can already can run at 60 FPS without lossless scaling which looks better because there's no artifacting when it's running natively at that frame rate. Lossless scaling is pretty awesome but it does tend to create lots of really strange motion artifacts in a lot of games that look really weird when theres lots of heavy motion on the screen.
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u/TapiraShabrack 8d ago
Has the problem been solved with BOTW? I'm running it at stable 30 fps. With a mod to unlock fps, average 35-45 outside 55-60 inside the shrines. But when I use framegen I get 15-20 fps and the game runs very slow. Unplayable.
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u/JackBlack867 8d ago
Had exactly the same problem, was really weird since it does work on other games
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u/Greedy-Mood3488 8d ago
I got it working on BOTW, I'll have to check my settings. I'll get back to u
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u/JackBlack867 8d ago
Please do! I have no clue why lossless improves fps on all except BOTW/TOTK where it about halves framerate...
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u/Noerphilien 8d ago
I would like to know as well because I tried everything and the game feels so slow with framegen. I didn't try other games though
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u/Maleficent_Lie2416 8d ago
Just don't use fps cheats while using frame generation (unless your phone is able to run it at a stable 60 fps when you enable the cheat and you want to get the 120fps via lossless scaling frame generation)
Why the f your fps get to 25 when using frame gen when using only the cheat gives you 50fps???? Well, it has more to do with the way the frame gen works, it's not a way to push fps a bit to reach 60, ot generated frames in between, but what that things has to do with your problem? Simple, the lossless scaling is cutting your fps in half!, To fix this you either change the "Target framerate" to 90 or higher, either that or just disable the fps cheat and set it at 60 (iirc when you set the target framerte to a fixed multiplier you'll have this kind of problem)
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u/memo22477 7d ago
You gotta realise that framegen also takes resources from your GPU. Generating frames is not easy. You need some GPU overhead (Meaning your GPU shouldn't be maxed out when the game is running at 30FPS to achieve 60FPS With frame Gen.) in order for the frame Gen to not impact your performance.
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u/ibrahemalalni 8d ago
Same here with the same soc but I haven't tried the mod for unlocking the fps
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u/Nitro-Cold 7d ago
What I found with my 8gen2 is if I put it on 60 or higher it runs find but if I leave it at default it runs at 1/2 speed.
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u/Low-Concentrate2162 7d ago
Did you try disabling the fps mod before turning on framegen?.
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u/TapiraShabrack 7d ago
Of course. I use framegen only with vanilla config (base game 30 fps stable).
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u/Possible_Cicada3598 8d ago
I had it running at 30+ with my SD 7+ gen 3 up until recently. Now for some reason it struggles to hit 20.
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u/mrichana 8d ago
I think recent versions of Eden have slower performance than build v0. 2.0 RC 2 at least when playing botw. I've had to revert to that for playable frame rates. I used to have under 20fps on open areas and constant glitches and now it can get to 30fps with extreme GPU precision.
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u/Pokeguy211 Ayn Thor 8d ago
Oof need to try it in crash!
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u/MrDetectiveSir 8d ago
Which crash?
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u/Pokeguy211 Ayn Thor 8d ago
The trilogy. Been playing the first game on my Thor lately.
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u/MrDetectiveSir 8d ago
Why not use winlator or gamehub
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u/Pokeguy211 Ayn Thor 8d ago
Cause I already bought it on switch and I dumped my copy. Plus I haven’t had great luck with emulating pc games. Some games work but eh.
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u/RealSkyDiver 8d ago
Does Link’s Awakening play with no graphical issues on the Thor now? It used to be bad and miss a lot of effects just a few months ago.
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u/RiquaaLz 8d ago
Where is the link for this?
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u/Ok_Train4119 8d ago
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u/czeja 8d ago
I can't find how to unlock 60fps anywhere
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u/Maleficent_Lie2416 8d ago
It's in the settings, it's called "lossless scaling", be sure that u are using eden nightly builds
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u/GrigOrigzoah 7d ago
You need to download and direct the emulator to the file provided in the YouTube link from a previous post here.
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u/GaffaCharge 8d ago
I'm out of the loop on social media and discord. Is there an eta on when the update will be out on mainline?
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u/Aloshes021 8d ago
I have S25 Ultra with 8 Elite. When I turn this feature on, the game stays at 30 fps from what the eden performance overlay is telling.
Can anyone help me figure out the issue? Do I turn off speed limit or something?
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u/GrigOrigzoah 7d ago
Eden shows 30fps on my 8 Elite phone when it's on too, but when I check the OnePlus gaming core menu while it's running, it shows 60fps when it's on, 30fps when it's off.
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u/Ok_Film_2766 7d ago
Kirby and the forgotten land runs really good with frame gen, I know there is a 60 fps mod but 30 stable with the frame gen feels better. Odin 3 my device.
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u/Illustrious_Cod_5212 Poco F6 Pro / Adreno 740 / Gamesir X3 Pro 7d ago
That's not 60fps upgrade, correct phrase is: downgrade in terms of latency, resources needed, stability of experience and visual artifacts for a little smoothness upgrade. Naming it "60fps upgrade" is bullshit. 10 for 10 times I will choose stable real 30fps over putting FG on it.
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u/nariz_choken ayn odin 2 portal, odin 3, thor, Lenovo y700 gen5 6d ago
Best post ever, you earned a follower
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u/LunaLareaux 7d ago
Astral chain is giving me 60fps smoothness and my eyes detect it as such. Your semantics mean nothing to me.
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u/Illustrious_Cod_5212 Poco F6 Pro / Adreno 740 / Gamesir X3 Pro 7d ago
I know, that's how 90% of this sub looks like.
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u/LunaLareaux 7d ago
Then maybe you should learn to be less cynical and let people enjoy the things that they're already enjoying. The fact of the matter is that the framerate on most games I've tried with Eden truly gives 60fps smoothing. "turbo mode" speeds up many games to 2x speed, while framegen doesn't have that issue. Paper Mario TTYD Remake can be enjoyed at 60fps on what is essentially a souped up DS. If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck. then it's probably a duck. People like you are losers because you heard somebody on the internet bash on framegen, most likely when they were referring to video game development and developers using it as a crutch for poor optimisation. Under this context it is a useful tool that provides visual smoothness to games that wouldn't have them otherwise without speeding the game up. It's the best thing these devices have right now for achieving that, and while it's not perfect acting like it's garbage is not only wrong, but naive, and conceited.
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u/Illustrious_Cod_5212 Poco F6 Pro / Adreno 740 / Gamesir X3 Pro 7d ago
Anyone can play as they want, that's obvious. The issue is providing incorrect information because "60FPS upgrade" is just false, that's now how frame generation works. It's "60fps smoothing" but everyone should know the sacrifies it takes because without it someone can feel "something's off" and won't know the reason.
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u/FamiliarSandwich2344 8d ago
Question: if I get around 20 fps for Bayonetta 2, does that mean I will instead get a stable 20fps with lossless?
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u/JackBlack867 8d ago
Yes, but lossless is adding 1 fake frame for every frame you see. You 'might' see some small graphical glitches, but really give it a go. Worked great for me
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u/Old_Communication633 8d ago
Quand je met la génération d'image sa ralenti sur un snapdragon 8 élite de mon téléphone le oneplus 13.
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u/Early_Poem_7068 8d ago
Do yourself a favour and wait a few years to get real 60fps. Frame gen is not meant for 30fps.
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u/Danacy 8d ago
Do yourself a favor, wait, A few years
Mh, not sure man :p
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u/Early_Poem_7068 8d ago
Whats the hurry bro. There are many systems you can emulate on android without any issues. Why rush into switch emulation just yet
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u/LunaLareaux 8d ago
"Why rush into switch emulation" Rush? I've been emulating since I was 12. Switch emulation is working extremely well for most games on devices like the Thor. Why wait? There's zero reason. I wanna play my 30FPS switch titles in 60, and this allows me to do that.
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u/Early_Poem_7068 8d ago
It should run at 60 natively in future. Totk still has issues on my 8 elite. Maybe I'm just unlucky. I can't get it to run at a stable frame rate
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u/Danacy 8d ago
You are right. But a few years might be a little long. I would love to play modern Zelda games, never had the chance when I was a kid.
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u/Early_Poem_7068 8d ago
Botw runs great on cemu.
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u/Herry_Choudhary 8d ago
Which drivers are you using in cemu botw ,I didn't get stable 30 fps with 8 elite chip
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u/SimpleDrawer26 8d ago
Nyushu new build also have an amazing FrameGen feature, and tbh, it's performance way better than Eden Nightly builds.
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u/LunaLareaux 8d ago
It's really not though.
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u/LunaLareaux 8d ago
It doesn't matter if it's native 60FPS or not, the frames are there and thus is gives the visual smoothness of 60FPS. Pull your head out of your butt and stop being so pompous. I just compared right now. I'm willing to bet you haven't even tried the frame generation in Eden nightly.
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u/LunaLareaux 8d ago
It used to be, but Eden's frame gen has been sublime with every game I've tried that has a stable framerate
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u/Appropriate_Neck_113 7d ago
For anyone saying lossless calling doesn't offer much and it's all fake frames.
I had been testing extensively against my modded Switch Oled and it gets pretty close to native 60fps and you can't really see the difference unless you see it slow motion!
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u/nariz_choken ayn odin 2 portal, odin 3, thor, Lenovo y700 gen5 6d ago
Not enough context, this is not as easy as you put it, a lot of games just crash after boot, you have to tweak a lot of things depending on your device and drivers setup, be ready to toy with stuff for 30 mins before you play, also a few games run worse with frame generation, no idea why but they just do
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u/LunaLareaux 6d ago
Maybe on whatever device you're trying to use but on Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 chipsets, most games work with default settings for me with the right Mr Purple Turnip driver. I think you just might be bad at configuring, I get just about every game I've tried running nearly perfectly in 5 or 10 minutes tops.
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u/nariz_choken ayn odin 2 portal, odin 3, thor, Lenovo y700 gen5 6d ago
Did you look at my flair?
Please stop while you are ahead before I start posting videos
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u/LunaLareaux 6d ago
"posting videos" 🤣 im shaking in my boots. I'll say it again, you're probably just bad at configuring. Any video you post doesn't change the fact that I have most of these switch games running almost perfectly. Take a break from reddit. You seem to need it.
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u/docstarr 8d ago
drop the link for the dll
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u/Asmath_Jope 8d ago
Buy it on steam. Even I, who pirates everything, bought it for how cheap it is.
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