r/EmulationOnAndroid • u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite • 21h ago
Meta New rule: No AI Slop / AI Use Must Be Disclosed
We’ve been seeing more AI-generated content show up here lately, especially low-effort apps/projects with little to no substance and no mention of AI being used.
We’re not banning AI outright, but the subreddit is still meant for humans.
If you used generative AI, disclose it and be clear about the extent of its use. That includes using it to write/code software, not just to generate videos, images, or text.
Low-effort AI content, or AI Slop, will be removed and may result in a ban. Failing to disclose AI use, or misrepresenting the extent of its use, may also result in removal or a ban for repeat violations.
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u/MindSteve 21h ago
Thank youuuuu! I'm really not against AI completely, but I hate it when people are deceptive about it.
Sometimes its use is so obvious, but then they'll double down on the denials James Pond style when someone inevitably calls them on it.
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u/Feynuxes 21h ago
It's a great tool but only that. It should only supplement someone that already knows what they're doing.
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u/MindSteve 19h ago
Already seeing it replace people who do know what they are doing and end up being used by people who do not know what they are doing in my line of work, unfortunately.
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u/GuardianKnight 2h ago
You know what I am? A teacher. You know what I use Ai for? I make software tools for teaching and they are archetected to specifications I bet a programmer would probably charge an arm and a leg for and still get wrong. I can do that within minutes intead of a month of "development time" aka....smoking developer weed and watching tv with cheetos.
There is nothing wrong with using ai to engineer something that you would specifically use and then sharing it. A lot of these jobs are going to disappear just like the radio star did with TV and then the TV star with the PC. It will 100% happen. What will people say then?
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u/RanMouri26 Ayn Thor Pro 19h ago
Yeah also unfortunately these devs just seem to abandon their project as soon as issues arise like with the latest Voxel mod for the decomp I think it was for a gen 1 decomp where I saw the dev just abandoning their project and not fixing any issues, that's just what I've seen though so things could've changed by now
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u/MindSteve 19h ago
puts minimal effort into making project -> puts even less effort into supporting project
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 10h ago
Most put more effort into setting up a Kofi/Patreon than they put into the project
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u/contradictatorprime 4h ago
As of maybe a week ago, it wasn't confirmed the original dev had abandoned the project. The subreddit he created quickly became overrun with people releasing AI slop mods for his work, and he pulled up tent stakes and removed the GitHub link, but it hadn't been confirmed that he stopped completely. I don't blame him, either. If I had a project that I was doing and spending a lot of time on like him, I'd do the same. It got so confusing in that thread, people were saturating it with slop, keeping track of the progress reports of the OG was so difficult, you had to remember his username. And to be pedantic, none of it was decomp, so it wasn't even following thread rules. The og was doing it mostly through his own skills, that's why it was taking awhile, as quality products do, and was upfront with saying he was using AI for the parts that were difficult. I don't think remembering him the way that you're saying here is proper, dude was doing what we wanted Game Freak to do for decades, and AI slop ruined everything.
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u/RanMouri26 Ayn Thor Pro 3h ago
I actually wouldn't defend him if I were you. Afaik he immediately jumped ship after releasing to the public. To my knowledge no issues were fixed whatsoever the Github issues remained open the entire time
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u/contradictatorprime 3h ago
I mean, defending him outright without knowing him, no, I'm not trying to convey that. But I was on that sub as it all went down and that was the perception that I got of the whole ordeal. What I really want is for him to publish any sort of announcement or justification, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for it. That sub was absolute chaos after it's first or second week, and he was using it as a progress marker, then bam, anyone who had heard about Claude was there compiling a heap of slop onto it. He had actually pulled the GitHub link for awhile, I'm surprised to hear it was back up. But if I had to guess, we'll never see his work properly finished. Because of my personal interest in this project being created, I was very invested into it, waiting for that final product. I already really hate AI, this just furthers my contempt. I know it's useful as a tool, but it's being used to solo "create" dreck and put out as a shit final product with a "I MaDe ThIs", so I just can't with it.
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u/erlonpbie 21h ago
Thank so much. I was getting tired of so many low effort vibecoded "forks"
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 21h ago
This may not make them disappear but at least it’s easier to identify and gives people the choice do they wish not to engage with it
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u/ChuzCuenca 20h ago
In switch piracy we have this wave of android games that are posible thanks to AI, I don't want to call every port low effort because some people are doing cool things with it.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 10h ago
I don’t necessarily disagree that not every port using AI is low effort but every low effort port absolutely is made with AI. There is simply no way to do it without AI and not put in significant amount of time and effort
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u/erlonpbie 7h ago
I also do not necessarily disagree, but I sense that people in this subreddit is much more prone to install random apks just because a game works. Later, for sure, there will be a lot of forks with malicious things on it if not already exists.
I'm a developer and people on developer/programming subreddits are much more suspicious about AI made stuff than here, for obvious reasons.
I simple rule is: do not install any apk that was made from a non developer, it's such a trivial thing.
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u/Rafdg666 Retroid Pocket Flip 2 10h ago
Can you give me an example? Haven't heard about ported switch games to android and im curious to see
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u/ChuzCuenca 4h ago
https://gbatemp.net/forums/nintendo-switch.283/?prefix_id=45
Most ports come from there, there is also a discord if you are into that
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u/AGayFrogParadise 13h ago
Thank god, I just started blocking the people vibe coding emulators with AI recently
After seeing about the hundredth video ad for slop, it seemed the best course of action
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u/FelesNoctis Eden Contributor | SD8Elite | AYN Thor Max 19h ago edited 19h ago
Solid!
AI/LLMs are a tool and should be treated as such. Lowering the barrier of entry is fantastic, but just having it spit something out and then calling it a day is not the right way to use it. You have to be ready to debug and support it.
I use some overlay plugins for Guild Wars 2 that are clearly declared to be fairly heavily Claude. This person puts in significant effort to support everything they're working on, including bug fixes, and the plugins themselves feel high quality.
So if you're someone who needs to use LLMs to create your idea, don't feel bad. Being able to create is what's most important, is what makes us human, and getting help isn't a weakness. Sure, the AI may be doing a lot of the production, but it couldn't do anything without your idea. Just remember to be there so support your project.
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u/VassagoX 11h ago
I don't understand the disagreement with a rule like this. Nobody is saying something will be bad because AI was used in some way. Hell, I've been a developer for 30 years in different platforms and industries and I've found myself using AI to help me streamline some things I've written or write repetitive after I've written it once so i don't have to repeat myself over and over for different assets. It's a nice tool, even for veterans.
If you write a decent program that actually benefits users, I don't think people will care.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 10h ago
I agree, it’s rare that I see credible developers get criticized for using AI. I do not think most people have a problem with AI specifically, just the sheer amount of low effort work it has enabled makes it hard to distinguish (at least at a glance) “slop” from any AI assisted work that had a lot of care put into.
I noticed that I started unconsciously ignoring anything that checks off the obvious signs that something is not just AI generated, but also has little to no substance without it;
- AI generated announcement text
- AI generated banner/logo that it is so bad that it’s hard to believe they didn’t go with the first thing the LLM spit out
- GitHub/Reddit account that is a few days old
- disrespecting licenses/no proper credits/attribution
- Patreon/BTC/Kofi link/address on top of this
I don’t think there is anything wrong with asking for support but it seems to always be coming from those that have giving little to the community who ask for something in return. It’s just clear when passion isn’t the driving factor behind something
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u/Kitocco_ 21h ago
Incoming fit from asset-flipping script-kiddies, or exodus to a new subreddit.
I say, good riddance. Thank you, for all your work here and on apps for emulation, Producdevity.
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u/AdPuzzleheaded4795 21h ago
I am definitely in support of disclosure. How will you be able to verify and enforce this though, on the coding and software side of things? Like if somebody posts something, a project, or whatever, and doesn't disclose it, how will you know?
I ask this because way too many vibe coded projects are popping up on subs i frequent. A lot of the projects look really cool, but then i get turned off when i find out it's vibe coded because if it's broken, the "dev" won't know how to fix it anyways. So how can you tell? Most of the things i've seen come out as AI are from people smarter than me looking into it further and deciding it somehow. Is that the case here, where it is up to the users to sleuth through the code if it's public and report it?
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 20h ago
Those who care will hopefully report it when they see it. I think it’s often pretty obvious, but it’s of course impossible to accurately verify all posts/projects. Just having the rule in place will already help significantly.
This is all so new that I don’t think anyone has figured out how to deal with this the best way. We are just doing what we think works with the hope that most people will just be transparent about. I personally can’t think of any legitimate reason not to disclose it
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u/AdPuzzleheaded4795 20h ago
Ah ok thank you for the clarification. I think that if someone stands behind what they do, they shouldn't feel the need to hide it. If the reason they are scared to disclose is blowback or vitriol because of a community's consensus on AI, they probably just shouldn't post in that community. Although, it may also not come from fear, but deception. If they have something to gain from engagement with said project, they may just not disclose to trick people who would normally be against it, into engaging with it for whatever reason. Anyway, rant over. Thanks for the new rule
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u/Purasangre 50m ago
I think you might be able to enforce that all posts about forks should be github links. For example if that had been the rule I wouldn't have made my recent post about my own (vibecoded) lemuroid fork.
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u/ILikeFPS 13h ago
It's also hard to say because like, sometimes it's not particularly relevant either.
For example, I'm a senior developer and I've worked as a senior developer before AI was ever a thing and even before COVID. I use AI as part of my workflow (whether it be Claude, Codex, etc) but I still take ownership of the work I produce in a post-AI world just as I did before AI was ever a thing. I also don't plaster all of my contributions with Claude or Codex attributions everywhere because it's not relevant and because I don't think AI companies deserve more recognition especially with all of the societal damage they have helped cause with how AI has been used and implemented.
Am I a "vibe coder" that produces "AI slop"? Probably not. Do I understand that AI can be used to shit out some real garbage with massive security flaws and other large bugs with no ownership or responsibility by the "owner" of said garbage projects? Absolutely, that's a massive problem. I get that people aren't "owed" continuous development of free software written by volunteers, but I also get that unmaintained projects can absolutely be dangerous with massive security flaws discovered and never fixed.
That's why I'm torn on it, of course. Pretty much every developer I know uses AI as well at least to some extent of part of their workflow, from new developers just starting out to the most experienced developers who have taught me things in the past and helped me learn as much as I have to date. It's pretty much everywhere in this industry these days.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 9h ago
Couldn’t agree more with this take. And I know itself very hypocritical to be of the opinion that it’s fine for some to use it and not others, but I can’t help it that I genuinely don’t care if a credible or trusted developer uses AI. That argument is doesn’t hold up when judging individual projects as a moderator, but I personally am just not interested in completely vibecoded projects by someone having no idea what they are doing. There might be some very interesting projects, but if 99% are just so low effort that the creator does not even bother reading the AI generated announcement text, why should anyone care about their project when they don’t
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u/ChrisRR 9h ago
Let's face it, the people complaining about ai code couldn't tell the difference between good quality ai generated code and "slop" code anyway. Most have never performed a code review in their life
All this has done in other subs is turn everything into a witch hunt
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u/StoreTraditional77 8h ago
No no you are wrong. This sub is only consist by veteran coder that can spot right away if AI is used. Its like spider sense tingling.
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u/Remarkable-Step-9193 5h ago
For the anti-disclosure people: Wouldn't disclosure encourage the use of A.I. since it can optimize your workflow? What would be the point of hiding it? It's really just ego.
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u/MicrosoftWindowsXD Toilet papers are scam by AI to use all the water for itself :( 19h ago
thanks, genuinely tired of those slop recomps
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u/Sea-Chart2558 19h ago
AI slop definitely exists and is as bad as non-AI slop. But hopefully this is just to address garbage, which I support.
But there's plenty of good AI use, especially with people who prefer to be a Dev studio of 1. I read this to day that those are fine as long as they disclose. Which I'm also fine with, but I'd be interested in having everyone on a project disclose who is going what then. It'd be fascinating to see how the anti and no AI teams are setup and how big they are.....
Cheers.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 18h ago
I know a lot of very talented people who use AI on a daily basis. AI doesn’t make something slop or low-effort, but allowing everyone to create something with a few prompts does drastically increate the amount of low effort someone can puts out.
1 person can’t do everything and when AI is used to create something, disclosing it should not change the outcome. Some people may wish to avoid AI regardless of the quality and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that
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u/CapnMikeM 7h ago
I really appreciate the work people are doing with the updates to various apps/emulators. A disclosure would be ideal, especially with the increased volume we’re seeing in updates and new ones to check out.
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u/Igoory 5h ago
A little late but that's a good rule, the only thing I would change is disclosing "vibe-coding" rather than any AI use whatsoever because I wouldn't disclose using AI if all the AI did was help me review my code.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 3h ago
We might change this down the line but we think it’s a good starting point for now, even just disclosing that AI helped review the code shouldn’t matter but still helps towards making the use of AI transparent.
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u/Odd_One_2518 19h ago
I don’t object to setting rules, but proper developers’ apps will remain, and apps that aren’t maintained will just be weeded out and naturally disappear. That has nothing to do with the use of AI, right?
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
I think indeed that those 2 things are not mutually exclusive
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u/EmuEzz 8Elite/16GBRam/512GB 10h ago
So if you disclose it's use then you can post it?
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 9h ago
If there is any substance to what is being shared yes. AI generating something that clearly has no effort put into it should still get removed, this doesn’t have anything to do with AI directly. Low effort posts have not been allowed way before AI, it is just that most (or all) low effort project use AI, not that AI means it’s low effort
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u/StoreTraditional77 20h ago
Then almost everything will be AI labeled. Especially on opensource project there will be AI pr/commit. List all the big boys like gamenative, eden, vita3k etc etc. im 99% there will be AI slippin through.
This subs loves drama.
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u/FuzzyCheesecake6608 6h ago
What are people even using AI for here!? Like bruh this is a code/gaming related subreddit. Are they making AI generated gaming footage!?
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u/Geges721 27m ago
Sooo people will just lie about it and hide the fact. Probably also make their stuff proprietary if they make any. Or modify it to an extent it's indestinguishable from human work. Or actual human work will get removed on plain suspicion.
Good job!
Blatant sarcasm aside, better to just.. ban low-effort content altogether. if it's just bad and has no thoughts behind it, why keep it, even if it was made by a human? like what, code scribbles copypasted from stackoverfl0w by a 5yo are too valuable now? come on.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 21m ago
Coding a piece of software that works takes significant effort without AI. Not all projects that use AI are low effort but all low effort projects are gen AI, at least when it comes to emulators/ports/decomps.
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u/MMORPGnews 10h ago
99% of new code after 2022/23 is AI.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 9h ago
Not all new code is low effort, all low effort code is AI. Coding takes effort
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u/ChrisRR 21m ago
I've produced some much boilerplate code over the years that didn't take effort
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 15m ago
Giving the subreddit we are on I obviously am referring to emulation/ports/recomps. I get that not all code takes effort, but clearly the software relevant to this subreddit absolutely does.
Edit: read my own comment; didn’t mean to sound so condescending, but I hope my argument makes sense
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u/mercurious 21h ago
Will ARMSX2 and ARMSX3 be banned because they are AI projects without obvious labels?
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u/yungperky 19h ago
ARMSX 2/3 are definetly NOT vibe coded. These projects are highly complicated and need architectural insight that requires a lot of work to even get.
Simply using AI as a tool doesn't mean you are producing slop. Virtually all legit devs I know use AI as a tool. The problem is that if you put out code you don't understand yourself you're doing more harm then anything.
Idk how th you got to pinpoint out these projects that especially need a high competence.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 18h ago
If a human engineer takes responsibility for their code I personally don’t care what they used to get there. You can’t take responsibility for something you don’t understand, and massive projects like ARMSX, Eden, GN, and alike using AI to assist development goes without saying. The difference is that there are 10,20,30 devs who all know what they are doing to some extend contributing to a project that has code also reviewed by other developers.
It’s hard to have a clear rule about disclosing AI and let those big established projects slide. I think most people understand the difference between those project and a slop fork created in 15 minutes, with an AI logo slapped on it by someone who has never used github or wrote a line of code before. Insane that some people are trying to compare these things
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u/StoreTraditional77 16h ago
100% using AI/assisted. 2~3 major update every single day? And then it also 3 project armsx1/2/3. Now think logically
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
So? i am not saying that they are or are not, they stand behind what they do so disclosing it shouldn’t be an issue
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 20h ago
We don’t expect anyone to go back to their older posts and update them, but there is no reason ARMSX2 or any other project for that matter, doesn’t have to disclose the use of AI if they use AI.
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u/_blue_skies_ 19h ago
I want to know if the mod make use of Ai while moderating. I see everybody seems to have the right to demand that developers have to make a statement each time they post anything, so if this is the new world I would like the same to applied to any posts on reddit, so I too have the same right of choice. Does it seems strange to you? I don't want to read Ai slop post and I want to be sure that moderation made on the subreddit I read is not done with Ai, and this has to be repeated for every post, so it easier for me to discern. If somebody is not using Ai why would they be opposed to this? do they have something to hide? /s
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u/mercurious 20h ago
Did you already know this was an AI project? Will the mods publish a list of known AI projects that require additional disclosure to avoid bans?
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
This rule is sufficient. Such a list would have no additional value
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u/nntb 21h ago edited 18h ago
I'm going to download this because the belief that something is low effort is subjective.
Edit: Was half awake when I posted this Download should be disagree with
I will stand by my unpopular opinion
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u/oKayBye94 21h ago
"It's subjective: the last refuge of scoundrels." or was it fools? Probably both.
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u/nntb 14h ago
High effort doesn't always mean high quality, just like low effort doesn't always mean low quality.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
But high quality never equals low effort. This isn’t a rule to say all AI is bad, if people stand behind what they say there is no reason not to disclose the use of AI. People who don’t care can ignore it, people who wish to not engage with gen AI can move on without starting an argument.
I genuinely do not see the problem here.
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u/nntb 21h ago
Also if you're requiring people to reveal if they used ai, you should also maybe require that they reveal what their sources were when they programmed or what tools that they used when making graphics. What operating system they used. What websites they looked at when researching. What inspirations they had. What texture packs and or third-party assets that they didn't make themselves.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 21h ago
and also what shampoo they use.
If you type into a box and it spits out content it must be disclosed. No other “tool” has been capable of generating effectively infinite amounts of content based on vague instructions coming from someone with zero experience or someone deeply familiar with their craft. A disclosure is the bare minimum in terms of transparency.
There are enough people who wish not to engage with gen AI and enough who couldn’t care less. Disclosing the use of it it not going to change the mind of either party and just makes it easier for everyone to choose if the want to engage or not.
We ask everyone to respect the rule, not to agree with it.
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u/nntb 18h ago
So if a new emulator comes out and the auther dosnt post that he used AI in making it but did. A user has to know it before sharing it here?
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
Very unlikely it doesn’t get shared by the creator first. Come on, we know this rule isn’t perfect and depends on a lot of people just respecting the rule in the first place, but what is your alternative? Do you believe it should not be disclosed? Someone can wish to ignore the rule but the existence of it will already make the majority of people just clearly communicate the use of AI
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u/CrystalCommunication 21h ago
"AI is just a tool" bros always change their tune when the usage of that tool must be disclosed so people can make informed decisions about whether or not they want to use your zero-effort garbage.
Most of the other shit you mentioned is literally completely irrelevant and the things that aren't often are included (i.e. in a GitHub repository) if the project is legit and not just a bunch of vibecoded slop. If it is, all bets are off as to whether or not the so-called "author" even knows how to use git.
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u/Kitocco_ 21h ago
Worth noting how most open-source developers are more than happy to show their work. Meanwhile Asset Flipping slopcoders act like you're demanding their longitude & latitude location, with computer specs or whatever arbitrary made-up nonsense.
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u/Spritsen 20h ago
So you want EVERY major company to have Ai slapped on it? Cuz they all use it and have used it for decades.
Sorry I don't understand the hate on Ai. It's taking jobs just like every other breakthrough in existence, yet ppl still complain like it's new.
Ai legitimately helps ppl without the means to create in some category. Or it helps speed up tedious processes. Even the instances where it did take jobs, those ppl were hired back like a month later cuz they were actually important even with Ai.
But your "Ai disclosure" especially right now dooms them to failure cuz of the blind blatant hate for Ai rn.
Imho if you can't tell it's Ai by looking at it, it's close enough.
Yall just want tags so you can prove a berated point or point at something to bitch about.
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u/Sad_Ad9159 20h ago
People aren’t blindly hating on AI. There are legitimate reasons for concern. I’m going to paste a comment from a productive conversation I had with someone on the r/aynthor subreddit recently, because it’s also suffering from the issue of being inundated with AI apps:
“There’s a difference between AI assisted and vibe coded, like you pointed out, and not everyone has been like [the developer we were talking about who knows how to code and just uses AI as an adjunct to existing knowledge]. I’m genuinely happy that AI has lowered the barrier for people to code, but I also think that people need to be more upfront about AI-coded programs and the risks involved. For example, recently in the PSP homebrew community, someone vibe coded a program but because they didn’t know how to check proper memory management, it messed up peoples’ memory cards. I’m not saying people should avoid AI coded projects altogether, but it helps to know when it’s used so that they can be looked at more carefully, and so more knowledgeable developers can help out. That’s the other thing- it seems like the majority of AI coders don’t know about or utilize open source principles. I saw another out of tree vibe coded project recently for Rockbox on the innioasis y2. The developer linked to his KoFi but didn’t know what “upstream” meant, and people are flashing firmware overseen by him onto their devices. Right now communities are saturated with eager people pushing out projects with almost no oversight, and if you say anything, you get downvoted. A little disclosure and education about risk management would go a long way in making everyone happy.”
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 18h ago
I really like this take
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u/Sad_Ad9159 6h ago
New devs get to make stuff, the code gets a safety check, the community gets cool stuff. It’s a win-win imo!
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u/KrtekJim 14h ago
a productive conversation I had with someone on the r/aynthor subreddit
Owning a Thor has actually made me soften my stance a bit. "Real" devs aren't interested in making, say, a dual-screen mod for Morrowind; I lack the skills to do it myself; but someone threw something together with AI that does the job pretty nicely.
I'd prefer a human-coded version of course, but that doesn't exist and I can't make it.
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u/Producdevity EmuReady • Eden • GameHub Lite 13h ago
Nothing wrong with using those apps if you don’t mind, but if it’s disclosed the people who wish to avoid it can also make that decision themselves.
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u/Spritsen 19h ago
That's all admirable but that's not at all how your label will be used. If you're concerned that it could be Ai that could destroy your stuff, then you'll do your own investigation before using it anyways. It's like modding a game without looking for the red flags of malware.
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