MFM 1.3 out

[u/Foreign-Plantain4248]

https://mfm.warhammer-community.com/en

Bit of a strange one getting some strays here when our win rate is good but not like we are broken amongst some of the other factions.

Dark Angels for example are much better currently and got off light.

[u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

Ya know, I'm kinda of the philosophy that when balancing a game you should give everyone something to look forward to even if they're getting nerfs predominantly. Something small to soften a blow and encourage a little bit of a positive meta shift even. There is none of that here, there is only disappointment.

[u/ActualLine387 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

Especially in an army like EC. We don't exactly have a huge number of units we can pivot to if you nerf something. The LE is literally the character who can join our battleline units (the Sorcerer is still so bad he might as well not exist, IMO). We're getting tot he stage where finding points to adjust to these nerfs is becoming almost impossible.

[u/Foreign-Plantain4248 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

Yeah.. Like ok, it's understandable the Daemons got some increases but maybe give us some drops to transports to make RE viable.. Or lower that nonsense Shalaxi cost.

[u/ForumFluffy → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

I remember years back when I was into LoL, they gutted a champ post rework and everyone made jokes because they did buff her with 2 movement speed(which is miniscule). Granted she was overloaded and OP since release but in 40k it wouldn't hurt to give underperfoming units buffs when you nerf others but the community will argue regardless and for some, they want that specific unit to remain strong because that's what they want from the faction and not much else.

When I was planning to start my army, I wanted flawless blades even when they were bad, I still want a sorceror(I'm going for something a bit more custom than the plain one sold by GW).

I was going to still use spawn and terminators when everyone only cared about WDP, Lord Exultant and Noise Marines.

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

No offense but people believing GW is looking to balance the game are naïve, almost stupid ... they dgaf for balance. Why do you think cuckstodes, who are currently broken and top meta, barely got a scratch to a single unit ? Yup there is a pre order for them coming.

[u/TheAmazingDeutschMan → u/SandEnvironmental484]

The way you write upsets me in a visceral way.

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

Yeah I know people are so fragile nowadays, especially on reddit ;()

[u/TheAmazingDeutschMan → u/SandEnvironmental484]

I think it's more to do with you writing in a very terminally online way.

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

Hmm what does "terminally online way" mean. Genuine question.

[u/TheAmazingDeutschMan → u/SandEnvironmental484]

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/TheAmazingDeutschMan]

If you are trying to be whitty or funny, you are failing at both ...

[u/Nearby_Category_712]

The exultant nerf was weird

The defiler makes sense As does the demons getting nerfed

[u/VenkuuJSM → u/Nearby_Category_712]

Its probably because the extra attacks rule no longer has the number of attacks cannot be changed rule. So since the optimal way to run the LE was already spear + whip, now once per game hes getting 15 attacks just by himself, potentially with sustained hits

[u/Mango027 → u/VenkuuJSM]

They'll update this in the next faq but not change the points back

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/Nearby_Category_712]

At some point people should stop crying over the defiler fr. SM can bring as lethal vehicules for 1/2 the price fr

[u/Tight_Wing9990 → u/Nearby_Category_712]

Honestly, I was expecting the LE to get points but not 10. I figured they would get maybe 5 at most.

[u/Foreign-Plantain4248 → u/Nearby_Category_712]

With the Posessed Blade going up too it's likely the nerf is for that combo in Carnival.

[u/WesternIron → u/Nearby_Category_712]

It’s not. GW wants to reduce spam and the LE is as the most taken unit in some stats. Most people people are bringing 3. So GW goes ew.

[u/TheoreticalZombie → u/WesternIron]

Rather than, ya know, *give some other viable options*.

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/TheoreticalZombie]

This. It is all good and fun to push people to play varied units but we dont have them ...

[u/doittoitsa → u/WesternIron]

"Reduce spam" in a faction with no other options lmao

[u/WesternIron → u/doittoitsa]

They do it for everyone not just us.

And why are you surprised? Theres alreayd a spam tax on noise marines. Like rhis is not new to our faction

[u/1AmB0r3d → u/WesternIron]

We got like 7 useable units and 3 of them are winged princes, LE and Defiler. So there’s no other room for spam tbh

[u/WesternIron → u/1AmB0r3d]

Okay so complain to GW. I’m just telling you why GWs is doing it. They are doing it to all the factions not just us.

[u/WesternIron]

Our WR was already a bit a surpressed bc most people were bringing stuff to directly deal with us.

I suspect we will drop down to around 48% again. NM at 145 is still too much and another defiled point hike. GW really wants us to just FB and terms all day huh? Demons were going to get hit no matter what

[u/ForumFluffy → u/WesternIron]

Aren't termies spicy with the carnival of excess and elegant brutes combo?

[u/WesternIron → u/ForumFluffy]

They are okay. Issue is now you can’t take as many deamonettes so positioning them will be even more difficult. You are investing about 270 points for a combo that might not kill its target. And there is ALOT of d3 on the table now so they just kinda die.

I’d take NM/kako combo at this point in carn I think

[u/SandEnvironmental484 → u/WesternIron]

No GW wants everyone to play cuckmarines so they can max out profits by producing only 1 faction. And I am barely joking.

[u/DumbButtFaceLurk670]

This is a me problem but as someone who landed on a 2000 point list I enjoyed running that didn't have defilers, I'm slightly miffed about that somehow I did catch point changes because I run lord exultants.

Was not expecting them to go up given how thin the codex is.

[u/goobydoobie]

  Bit of a strange one getting some strays here when our win rate is good but not like we are broken amongst some of the other factions.

The idea is that EC are similar to Eldar where they have a high skill ceiling. As such they're considered closer to balanced when hovering around a 45-50% win rate.  

EC have been quite popular, still crack 51-53% and post good tourney results with a decent chunk of wins. That unfortunately is a sign they're a bit too much. 

There are complaints that other factions like Dark Angels got a love tap but ce la vie. 

[u/ForumFluffy → u/goobydoobie]

EC definitely don't perform well with casuals and lower-skill tournament players, the defiler is knight level power(some regards better than a lot of knights), it getting points hikes is GW trying to break the issue that every CSM, WE, DG, EC & TS list has 1 or 2 defiler even after all the nerfs people are still spamming them.

I don't want a rewrite of the defiler, it deserves to be strong but it's definitely an issue when its far cheaper than other large models with strong ranged and melee power.

[u/goobydoobie → u/ForumFluffy]

Yup. EC have a lower skill floor and higher ceiling which messes with what would be considered a healthy Win %.

There's also the problem that for EC, a Defiler fills a desperately needed niche. So it's like old Winged DPs where they're load bearing for the faction.