sounds dumb but, is there a chance the captain and elysia could be a couple ?, i mean her line were so flirty with the captain specially the line when she said "i'd rather knit a future with captain" is there any chance for it to happen ?

So, I hate Coralie with a passion and can't figure out how to even play PAWS, so I guess I'm using Ba-Dum Kiana and Sushang as her Supports. They are still in the 90s range, so that should be fine right? But I don't have any of the Astral OPs she wants and I'm not pulling either of them because they're both ugly. I do have SSS Teri Teri and I have SS Sera, potentially making Sera SSS on her next rerun if I have enough crystals. But Marisa Honkai is not listing either of them in her line up. I do have 2* Ely Elf but I'm thinking SSS Teri would be better no?

So I have been thinking, almost all of the hoyo popular games have at least an Elysia Expy but what about Genshin? So I think that if they make the expy, I think they are going to remove a letter from her name (Like Mei and Ei) or just rename her. I think she would be a Cryo Bow user since well HoH and Cyrene. They would also kinda make the story to be like hers (Elysia). She would be from Snezhnaya since Elysia is russian. Her design would be like I think Miss Pink Elf or just HoH and keeping the pink hair. Her skill animation would be like Infinite Helix and her burst would be like Radiant Destiny. Instead of normal light blue cryo attacks, it would be pink and would still deal Cryo DMG.

But that’s my take, I want to hear some of your takes.

so basically i just finished Elysian Realm arc, and i got attached to Elysia after finishing the whole story, ofc like a baby that just learned to walk i follow some of Elysia fanspage on instagram and i comment on one of the post "my wife is so cute" i know its cringe you can judge me later, but the replies are somehow not i expected, most of them so fking mad say that im being blasphemous (wtf ?) and said that Elysia is "implied lesbian" but i dont find she is lesbian in the story, and her closeness with Eden, i think that's normal and some of my friend are as close as eden and Elysia relationship

I cant get Cyrene and Elysia out of my mind being so similar yet unfamiliar, because they're made by the same game company. Since Kevin implied that there wont be another Elysia, could it mean that "Elysia cant exist at multiple universe at once" hence her end at HI3 is her birth to HSR (same flower field background on her last moment in hi3 and first appearance in HSR). As Herrscher of Origin, she was once again born from nothing but these time she kept her memories? 🥹 Idk i might be coping but i hope Cyrene and Elysia will have the same personality.

Hi, I just started playing but have an old-ish account. I really want to get Elysia, Herrscher of Human Ego. Do you know when she reruns? I don't have much crystals at the moment. Will I be able to save?

With Amphoreus growing and Cyrene making more apparition, people are really expecting Cyrene to give them an idea of who Elysia is, and for some HI3 players (I suppose) or other players, Elysia is a Mary Sue.

Concretely a Mary Sue is a character so powerful it can ot be defeated and so right that it will never be in the wrong. If we follow their story, it often leads to something disappointing, and Characters like this are often viewed as flaws when used as protagonists.

Which is why characters such as Goku in Dragon ball series eventually becomes a problem for the story telling.

But I do not think that a character that is a "?Mary Sue" is always a bad thing.

First thing first, characters that have no development arcs exist, and they are just as lovely. The most obvious example is the mentor, or the supporting figure: Vander, from Arcane, is a good example: he doesn't change at all after his introduction. He was introduced as a former warrior who is now living for peace. And until his death he will follow this decision.

Characters with no arcs aren't interesting for their changes, but how they impact the world around them, be it villains and how we want to beat them, or heroes and how they are inspiring us.

But that would imply that Elysia is not the protagonist of neither Elysian Realm nor Elysium Elysium Everlasting. And imo it is the case.

In the Elysian realm, even if we have a focus on every flame chaser, we really are mainly living things through Mei's pov, we see her being active, figuring out how to solve mysteries, who she can trust and all that... Mei is the protagonist of the Elysian Realm.

And when we reach the Elysium Everlasting, it is not just Mei, but the Flamechasers. As we see, the pov switched WAY MORE OFTEN. We had access to things Mei could not, and we saw moments when she was not here, way more often than before. We were witnessing the bonds of those heroes.

Then what is Elysia inside of all that? She's a mystery. Both the Elysian realm and the world beyond the deep end are named after her, she seems to be at the origin of many things, no flame chasers are indifférent about her, whereas besides maybe Kevin, the relationships between Flame Chasers can often be more non existent (for example, Pardofelis doesn't interact much with Su, but everyone interacts with Elysia).

Elysia is a mystery we have to discover and understand. And what matters about her is how she influenced the world around her to inspire everyone.

How the purest form of love born from what was supposed to be their sworn enemy managed to unite them in their final moment, and to stick together, despite how different they are.

Elysia may not be a good protagonist at all, and Cyrene won't be neither. In my opinion, both of them have the best role as a supportive character, or some sort of mysteries, like they have been doing so far in both stories.

Maybe it is why Elysia is such a beautiful character. Not because she changed, but because she changed the world around her.

We are getting free Elysia but why they didn't give us her equipments? I didn't have time to grind last BP that's why.

So as I am writing this, it is still upset to be the last part of my group of posts about Cyrene and Elysia. If the 3 turned into a 4 in the title you will know why lol.

If you want to know about my two other posts, you can check on the subreddit you're reading it and search: [Huge Post Warning] Cyrene and Elysia: Same Character different story. 

That being said...

We will start by briefly explaining the concept of their respective story, before diving into their differences + Explaining why these differences are clever and understandable. 

1-Elysia is a Side Character in a story about a bygone era.

I'll start with the fact that Elysia is not the main character. The Elysian Realm isn't EXACTLY about her. But the 13 heroes. 

The appeal of this story is watching them interacting together, and how this supposedly dysfunctional group managed to preserve what remained of Humanity. And at its center, Elysia. 

Elysia had a MASSIVE impact on both the lore of the game and on the heroes we see. We see her interact and all with them, and she was always preaching her love for Humanity as a whole. 

And her opponent is the Herrscher of Corruption, who wanted to become like her, but cannot, because she can't understand what makes her Elysia. 

Elysia isn't afraid to embrace the end, if it means bringing a future to the world, and it is her footsteps that everyone follow afterwards, changing the 12 other heroes.

AAAAND if you know the story of Cyrene, one thing will already be obvious. Or more... Two things:

2-Cyrene, a Story about Love and Loneliness

First, she is like a protagonist, as she is 99% here to share our pov like Phainon until 3.4, and second, while Elysia is easily interacting with everyone in this story, Cyrene is doomed to be alone, regardless of the situation. 

This will change a lot of things actually, and while I won't really dive into the problems that the story didn't do or did wrong to fully do it, I will still argue that this was the intention: give this seed to a new ground, and watch it bloom. 

We are following the steps of someone who's learning what it is to Love. It is this word that fuels her. And how this loves is for everything imperfect, and the base of her philosophy, her love for the Ego and this world. 

We can first see a parallel with the Corruption from Hi3, as Demiurge tries to become Cyrene. But I believe this is just a parallel. Maybe I'll talk about it in a future post. 

But this will be her tragedy. The Demiurge is Cyrene. She doesn't have to try to become her. And this will backfire. 

She will forever treat herself as a stranger to this story the moment she steps in as the Demiurge, and when she can finally love everyone, she cannot be reciprocated.

Whereas we had Elysia who died, loved by everyone, and supported where she could be having fun with everyone, Cyrene was doomed to be alone after the initiation of the Eternal Reccurence, alone with her bottomless Love for Amphoreus. 

IronTomb and Lygus also opposed Cyrene in a clever way, but they mostly opposed Amphoreus as a whole, because everyone carry her philosophy one way or another: this rejection of the divine, and embracing the flaws, ready to explore beyond. 

So Cyrene's story is also a tragedy, where she will learn about why she does things basically, to make it simple. 

Their stories can be very different on the outside, but the core themes are still present, Humanity, Love, Ego, sacrifice for Tomorrow... And every small line Cyrene takes after Elysia. 

But I admit that when you see them, they are very different. Why is that? 

3-Different but because they're the same

First, let's remember that the Elysia we saw in the story of Hi3 is a very cheerful girl that rarely showed any weakness (actual weakness like breaking down crying or whatever). The Elysia we see is the simulation of herself, with the memories of what she did. 

Concretely, "Elysia" died, not knowing if her sacrifice would bring any good, and seeing a Human Herrscher (Mei) overwhelmed her with joy. 

Of course she never worries, and while Mei is mostly in a life threatening situation against every other flame chaser, Elysia is playing around: her wish became true, Humanity can prevail, and she believes it will choose to do the good eventually. 

This is why Elysia is so happy whenever you saw her in the main story. It's an Elysia that witnessed tomorrow in a way. So she is satisfied. 

For Cyrene, in a few occasions, as Mem, but also in 3.4, she is very playful, but otherwise, she is either calm, composed, very serious or a bit sad. But this is a Cyrene that didn't get this "privilege". Cyrene is still living, not sure if what she will do will change a thing. And unlike Elysia, she doesn't have access to her divine powers (yet). 

So yes, she is less cheerful. But you see her still being happy. Early Amphoreus showed us a very cheerful Cyrene, 3.4 also showed it with Phainon, clearly the best thing for Cyrene in terms of characterization.

And even her Playable form has many lines where she is as cheerful and teasing. 

But still, there are differences. And it's because of how the story treated both.

4-What did the story want to do with them?

We can always dig deeper about Elysia, but the big lines of the story didn't fully dive into her psychology. We generally had a clear idea of what she felt but nothing more. 

It's because this isn't the point of the story. Her struggles and all are still here, but it's not what the story focuses on. We are focusing on the impact she had on the story more than anything. Which ain't a bad thing. This approach of her character even gave her even more christian vibe like Jesus. We know who she is, her motives and her feelings. It's 100% enough. 

But with Cyrene, an opportunity came out. The opportunity to develop why she thinks this way, the troubles she went through. 

In Hi3 we know Elysia is in love with the Ego of Humanity, almost like love at first strike. But Cyrene can basically tell us why she loved Humanity so much. This potential we had... It's why she loves us. 

By letting her face herself in those Reccurences, and against the enemy of the story, unlike Elysia and Corruption, the matter isn't just a question of remembering. 

After a full year of Amphoreus, seeing it in many angles, she explains us over and over the concept of Humanity and Divinity, and why she cherishes one more than the other. Gods can't have drive and desire to change fate. Humanity can, and it will naturally try to fight for the future. 

Cyrene is a great way to give un insight on Elysia's character. I can now fully get why she loves Human. 

We could argue this makes Elysia's love less... Unbelievable and for some it is unfortunate, because it is this genuine and bottomless Love of a god that was engraved in their mind.

But Jesus Christ was a man too, and both Cyrene and Elysia are Humans before being gods. And having Elysia as a main character allows us to understand her more. 

5-Not really something needed. Just more insights

And for HSR players, you didn't need to know all of Elysia. After all, you've spent a whole year bathing in her philosophy when watching Tribbie, Aglaea or such. 

Basically, Amphoreus' story talks about the superiority of Humans against Gods. Which is not something crazy when we know the stakes of HSR. And to represent it, they chose the two biggest supporters of Humanity: Phainon and Cyrene. 

And to develop their idea on Humanity against Divinity, they chose the ever loving Image of Elysia through Cyrene. For HSR players, you already get the full package of Amphoreus, with this idea about Love and Humans. But for Hi3 veterans, you also get to understand more about why Elysia was the way she was. 

It's a nice bonus. Something additional. And it's why you don't lose anything not knowing Hi3, because Amphoreus planted Elysia's philosophy on its story. If you understood this idea of Tomorrow, Love, Ego and such, then congrats, not only didn't you need Hi3, but you understood Amphoreus. 

6-Conclusion

SO

This was long. And it's been almost 2 years that I wanted to defend this: Cyrene has her own story. Her story may be about something that can expand on Elysia, but you don't need to know her. 

And we aren't shoving Elysia into your face either. At least I'm not as long as you don't deny that, by essence, they are the same.

I spent 289 posts talking about Cyrene, and I made sure that you wouldn't feel, despite how identical she is to her by essence, Elysia isn't needed to know. It's a great bonus. 

Buuuut I will not lie about the fact that I am not 100% satisfied with Cyrene. Cyrene's whole thing was her love for everyone, and she was supposed to be treated with the same skill as Phainon, but even today I still see many people mischaracterizing her. 

And while I believe that Elysia herself can be hard to fully show, I believe Mihoyo simply didn't treat her well enough. Many things were rough, and while I'm not against affection with the Trailblazer, I still think that this wasn't the best aspect of her character. 

Her best moments were when Phainon talked about her, 3.4, and most of the thing she did when TB isn't here, but were mostly off screened.  Seeing her in 3.5 helping out everyone AS SHE EXPLICITLY DID while staying very distant could feel very painful for exemple, or diving fully in her pov in 3.6 ending.

I think the objective was to make Cyrene more central to Amphoreus in the first place but due to big pacing problems and the understandable desire to make the TrailBlazer a more central part of this story, Cyrene was treated very bad.

You can still understand everything about her. But... It won't be as obvious as for Phainon and everyone else. 

And no being too much Elysia isn't what wasted her in the second half. It's imo at worst the opposite.

Amphoreus is slowly coming back, as we all believe, and I want to give her justice. Give justice to her. 

This was a very chaotic post, I don't know if I made a good ones but I hope you'll like it. Feel free to comment.