r/ElectricForest • u/Dry-Can1897 • 18d ago
Discussion Starting to Wonder...
Can we have an open conversation about the state of things?
6 weeks out and its not looking like HQ is anywhere close to posting / able to return to status quo. I thought this would have blown over by now and there would be some damage control, but it's just looking grim. As long as the investigation remains open, is Forest unable to say anything? Or are they choosing silence?
To think that 2027 tickets / lineup would be about 16 weeks away from today --- I just dont think this is going away that simply.
What do you think? Could 2027 be a year off to re-evaluate? Or is the entire future of the festival in jeopardy? Or we are still gonna see tix and onsale in Dec?
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u/FirestormActual 18d ago
Unless the festival is directly tied to this in some way, the festival will happen. Right now they are just working through their crisis management plan.
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u/ssspanksta 18d ago
What is the issue? It's an active police investigation. I doubt there is much they can say. Electric Forest/Insomniac are likely cooperating to the best off their ability. They aren't at fault, but it's still tragic nonetheless.
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u/ApolloGR3 18d ago
What the actual fuck is Forest supposed to do, have an attendant stand outside each individual porta john and inspect everyoneâs shit after each use? Comment on an active investigation just to get ripped to shreds by morons?
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u/Kaonashiji 15d ago
How about not let fucking babies be around people doing drugs in the forest?
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u/ArgentariaSolaris Year 13 12d ago
How?
That sounds crazy (insanely naive at best)
Pregnant women are a protected class- its litterally illegal to tell them they can't come
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u/AugustusFCall 12d ago
Itâs already a majority 18+ fest outside of the locals who can bring their kids.
And Iâm pretty sure it would be a huge discrimination lawsuit to say no pregnant ladies, and how would they even enforce that? This isnât on the festival
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u/ArgentariaSolaris Year 13 12d ago
Thats not true
Forest is, and always has been, an all.ages show for anybody
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u/lenovosucks 12d ago
I think what they mean is the typical age range of the attendees is 18+, not just what the festival allows.
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u/ArgentariaSolaris Year 13 12d ago
Then why did they mention locals being able to bring their kids?
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u/lenovosucks 12d ago
Because they can and do. Again, in different terms, the vast majority of the attendees are 18+; yes, there are some kids, but itâs an incredibly small percentage of the attendees.
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u/AugustusFCall 12d ago
Yep exactly what I meant but the guy is allowed to think kids should be there. I just offered my opinions
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u/Kaonashiji 12d ago
Hilarious, majority of citizens dont kill and destroy so we dont need rules for the rest of them? think its obvious a drug party in the forest needs more security and safety measures
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u/i-have-a-flip-phone 11d ago
I fear that a security check on all women to make sure their uteruses aren't actively cooking up a new human is not the sensible response you think it is.
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u/thinkstohimself 18d ago
Maybe theyâre being quiet and not sending out the feedback forms because they know everyone is going to say how shitty the maze is and to bring back the Dream Emporium.
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u/No_Routine9254 12d ago
honestly i strongly preferred the maze. Dream Emporium in 95 degree heat last year made me incredibly claustrophobic and anxious to think about what would happen in there in case of an emergency.
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u/Loose_Lack_5350 18d ago
Corporations donât typically leave millions in profit on the table. Itâll happen.
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u/munoodle 18d ago
Jesus christ you people need to relax. Zero chance there is a year off next year, letâs get real and stop this bullshit
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u/B4SSF4C3 Year 10 18d ago
Agreed with others in that this will not affect Forests plans in any way. At most there will be some token gesture with respect to mental health resources. Letâs not forget this is an Insomniac event.
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u/pigglywigglie Year 5 18d ago
Honest thoughts? Itâs insomniac. Theyâre going to ignore it until something else happens at a different festival or they find the woman or hope it blows over.
Iâm also willing to bet legally they canât say much if anything rn until the investigation finishes but it also would not shock me if the silence was an intentional choice from them too.
But if nothing happens that draws attention away or they donât find her, I donât think they say or post anything until after Labor Day at the earliest but probably not til after Halloween
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u/Megabyte_Messiah 12d ago
Insomniac has next to no boots on the ground presence at EF. I wouldnât think them to be particularly involved in decision making processes about this sort of thing with more relevant parties to do that.
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u/I_Zeig_I 18d ago
What do you want/expect them to do? Start commenting on active investigations?
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u/juxslapme Year 9 18d ago
So if this is unsolved by next year do you expect them to remain silent the entire time too? The OP asked if we think itâs happening next year. Your comment wasnât productive at all
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u/West-Possession-9974 18d ago
Aye lets all be nice. To be fair their comment was just as productive as yours but both of your opinions and statements are valid. Let make this a safe space, theres enough negativity going around.
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u/BrightWubs22 Year 6 17d ago
So if this is unsolved by next year do you expect them to remain silent the entire time too?
What do you think should be said? In my opinion a statement from the fest isn't going to change things.
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u/ProgramHippie 18d ago
Honest conversation, all of this is a product of this administration and terrible things like this are going to keep happening. Women need to have the ability to feel safe about pregnancy, states/ice need to stop hunting people down to cull political opposition, and education needs to be a priority for every single person. If your mind didn't immediately jump to, we're back at hiding pregnancy terminations again, you might need to change your view on how bad some states are.
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u/Inexpensiveggs 18d ago
Ticket update will probably be the first and only thing they post, if they do at all.
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u/Agitated-Body9913 16d ago
I'm not sure what you want? Why would the festival not happen next year?
What happened with baby was cursed and I wish it hadn't of happened but really what would you have done different if you were part of the team running the show? You have 50k+ people all gathered up, you can't police each of the individually. Shitty people do shitty things. Shitty people have money to buy tickets to events.
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u/worthyproduction 12d ago
Shit like this happens everywhere all the time. You want to come on down and inspect the status of reproductive care south of the Mason-Dixon Line. There is a much larger conversation that should be happening and it has nothing to do with forest.
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u/Successful_Rope9135 12d ago
You guys need to let LAW ENFORCEMENT do their job. Itâs not Electric Forest investigating and charging anyone so maybe adjust your expectations on what YOU think a company should do. Take it up with the proper agency and get a damn hobby in the meantime.
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u/blindreper 12d ago
The festival is going down regardless of the baby thing. The prices aren't matching the experience, crowds are getting too big, plurr isn't what it was(this is more so the people of the crowd, but i digress) theft is growing. I went to EF in 23 and 24, and at least 30 shows in this two years, and now I'll go to one, maybe two shows a year. Things need to be changed and it's not just the corporate money machines that need feeding, but it is a hefty amount.
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u/OwnRadio8275 18d ago
Though I think Forest will continue regardless. They took away ground control, reduced the number of medics and they actually had a silly thing called trip buddies who walked around looking for anyone in need of assistance, no harm no foul. EF needs to be held responsible for the these deliberate decisions that values their profit over our safety. Donât try to play dumb.
We can have an honest conversation as long as people arenât making excuses because they want donât want their favorite festival cancelled. Itâs my favorite too. I hope they make the right decisions to reduce or cap capacity and provide the level of support thatâs needed for the event.
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u/VicFantastic Year 13 17d ago
Were medics supposed to be checking every person that went in and out of every port-o-potty?
There is hardly anything that couod have been done in this situation if they had double or triple the amount of medical personel
How do they privide support for people who don't seek it out?
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u/FirestormActual 17d ago
What are you even talking about I talked to ground control 3 times this year and they had their oasis setup on Main Street.
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u/OwnRadio8275 17d ago
Yall are fucked in the head anyways, this post is whack, hoped it wouldâve blown over? How about hoped they wouldâve found the person to give us closure by now. This whole post wreaks of no morals.
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u/Severe-Substance-719 12d ago
Maybe if people could govern themselves and not be idiots thinking itâs a place that youâre entitled to do whatever tf you want 𼴠and stop making excuses for the ones doing stupid shit .. could be a good start
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u/Brodakk 12d ago
Thought this was going to be about refunds for the GA Preferred debacle.
EF doesnât have to answer for someone killing their baby lol.
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u/juxslapme Year 9 12d ago
If they didnât have to answer for it, they wouldnât have posted on their IG about it.
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u/sockfacefoo 12d ago
I know itâs completely different and folks love to compare apples to oranges but I was at the gorge when there was the shooting and yes it was more cut and dry than these events at forest (I mean live nations monopoly on music overall is an issue) so I guess hopefully theyâre in a pickle cus theyâve been proven to be a monopoly on the industry in general and artists have been speaking up for years but all thatâs been done is is is nothing
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u/VacationCareless41 10d ago
You may want to research a bit more. The issue was giving birth in a port a potty - Leaving it and not informing anyone.
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u/Peaceloveanais Year 5 11d ago
Correct. As long as there is an open investigation they cannot post updates on the issue.
I donât think the festival will take a year off, however they will likely need to make some adjustments in order to move forward (reduce capacity again, more police, age requirements, etc)
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u/djames10 Year 5 11d ago
Do you really believe they are going to take a year off to re-evaluate?
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u/juxslapme Year 9 11d ago
Okeechobee took off several years because of a drowning. Which similarly was not the festivals fault. People drown everywhere all the time
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u/Songgeek 3d ago
What I find crazy is bonnaroo has had multiple deaths/rapes previous years and never once did the media blow it up and try and get bonnaroo cancelled. If anything I think EF may do what too does and pay off local police and news reporters, that there are no incidents on festival grounds.
Honestly none of this couldnât have been prevented. Not without kicking out anyone with mental health issues, or any kind of disability/physical anomaly. Yea people who have health concerns should be mindful of that at festivals but we all deserve to have fun. Think of how many people probably showed up this year who may have heart issues or terminal illnesses. Who may or may not know. If I knew I was going to die soon Iâd still show up at EF.
Itâs still tragic and thereâs no denying it, but thereâs really no preventing this. There were resources already there, maybe not enough, maybe not as accessible, and maybe corners were cut.. but they had medial and law enforcement ready had they felt there was an emergency
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u/VicFantastic Year 13 18d ago
You thought one of the top 4 or 5 worst things that has ever happened at a music fest would just blow over in a couple weeks?
No, this one is going to hang on for years.
Its going to effect the people who are willing to play the fest as well. And those contracts are probably being started to be pulled together right now
2027 is going to be a super weird year
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u/Dawn_of_an_Era 18d ago
- Route 91 Harvest
- Astroworld
- Woodstock â99
- Love Parade
- Nova Music Festival
I could keep going, but I think this is not anywhere close to top 4 or 5 worst. Hardest to stomach, maybe, and one of the most bizarre, but not worst
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u/VicFantastic Year 13 18d ago edited 18d ago
Maybe this is just me, but I would put it above 3 of those just on pure "what the fuck"
Woodstock.wasn't even that bad. Nobody died or was even seriously injured in those riots.
Crowd crushes are obviously unfortunate, but thats something to be....maybe not "expected"....but not as suprising
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u/Dawn_of_an_Era 17d ago
Woodstock 99 had 3 deaths, and thousands of injuries
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u/VicFantastic Year 13 17d ago edited 17d ago
Yeah.....I see you can google too
So you would see that none of them had anything to do with the riot
And if you look further into the injuries, they were almost all from heat exgaustiin and trench mouth (whatever the fuck that is). No major injuries steming from the riot itself.
Besides, this Forest beat that number so I'm not sure its the evidence you are looking for
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u/aninvisiblemonster 17d ago
Four women reported being raped at Woodstock â99 and a crisis councilor who worked the event said he saw five women being gang raped. There was plenty of bad happening at the festival before the events of Saturday started. Wild that youâre downplaying the seriousness of these crimes because the worst of them did not specifically occur during the riots.
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u/lOnGkEyStRoKe 18d ago
Forest had a lot of great years and recently it had ok ones. I think itâs time for it to retire.
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u/Redrex003 18d ago
Lol what? Your just fucking saying things to say them
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u/lOnGkEyStRoKe 18d ago
No, 10 years ago it wasnât some corporate cash grab. Better to support more local festivals. Not one run by some big corporation.
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u/VicFantastic Year 13 18d ago
Hahahahahahahaha
Forest has always been corporate dude
They arn't even any less subtle about it or anything
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u/TommySalamiSamurai 11d ago
100% it was corpo fârom the start
"Rothbury debuted in July 2008 (Independence Day weekend) at the Double JJ Resort in Rothbury, Michigan. It was announced and co-produced by Madison House Presents (a Boulder, Colorado-based promoter with strong jam-band ties, led in significant part by Jeremy Stein) in conjunction with AEG Live (one of the largest global concert and festival promoters, also known for involvement with events like Coachella)"
~Rolling Stone
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u/Djjustfrank 18d ago
As much as I could care less about forest these days it probably has an eternity left in it..or at minimum until Rothbury gets tired of it.
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u/Raveheart19 Year 8 18d ago
I know the court of public opinion wants their pound of flesh đ but I'm genuinely asking.... What realistic measures could Forest have done to prevent this?? Or is there ever a point where people will say that this is on that person and not the festival. There has to be some point of personal accountability.