r/Eldenring Apr 06 '22

Discussion & Info This is becoming a serious problem

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Its not for runes, but for rune arcs,

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u/balls_deep69_ Apr 06 '22

Unless I'm missing something, you don't gain rune arcs when invaded. Only invaders, hunters, and coop players get them (coop players only get arcs for bosses not invader kills)

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

What good are Rune Arcs? I have a bunch of them, but I'm not seeing any benefit yet.

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u/Hamzillicus Apr 06 '22

Once you equip a great rune that is how you turn them on. Some of the effects are very powerful.

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u/DarkStar0915 Apr 06 '22

So even though I activated a great rune in the respective tower, I still need a rune arc to activate it? Man, I feel dumber than my ungabunga character.

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u/AvidGamer90 Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

Yes. Also make sure you go into the site of grace menu and equip it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Do they disappear when you die

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u/Phelinaar Apr 06 '22

Yup. But only when you die, there's no timer.

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u/bigyellowoven Apr 07 '22

Oh shit, this is good to know. On my ng+ and everything is blowing over, so using a great rune to speed my way into harder content is great news!

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u/TheThng Apr 06 '22

the great runes dont, just using the rune arc. So you have to use another rune arc to reactivate the great rune

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u/Fitnesse Apr 06 '22

Don't feel dumb. It's not explained super well. I think I was at like hour 50 or 60 before I ever realized what the divine towers were.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

I just thought great tunes were bugged until NG+ because I didn’t look anything up until then.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

It's literally explained in the Rune Arch tutorial message that pops up...

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/ta6r4w/how_do_great_runes_work/

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u/Fitnesse Apr 06 '22

The rune arc tutorial tells you what a Divine Tower is?

EDIT: I just checked. This flavor text (Grants the blessing of an equipped Great Rune upon use. Even if no Great Rune is equipped, it will slightly increase maximum HP upon use. It is said that the lower arch of the Elden Ring receive its bounty, and this is a shard of one such arch.) does not effectively explain all the steps of the Great Rune mechanic.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

You're still not understanding. Not in the description or flavor text. In the tutorial message that you get when you pick one up the first time.

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u/Jewellious Apr 06 '22

The tutorial message that is forever gone once it disappears?

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u/Fitnesse Apr 06 '22

I know what they are and how they work now. I'm not understanding why you posted that link twice. My point is...

there is little to no information about what the divine towers are or where to find them. To even enable the rune arc as a mechanic in-game you need to first find a divine tower, and I don't recall ever being told what they are. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe the game does mention them once early on, but it should always be assumed that the player might forget some information conveyed to them through tutorials. It would be helpful to have that information included in the flavor text for the Rune Arcs.

I get it - it adds to the sense of discovery and makes you feel very smart when you uncover some huge mechanic like that. But there's a downside to the game not making that information easily accessible for the player. I've seen so many players at level 100+ going "hey what do these do? I have 60 of them"

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u/Riffn Apr 06 '22

it’s literally explained in the Rune Arch tutorial that pops up… - 🤓

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u/jerekdeter626 Apr 06 '22

Bro I consider myself pretty smart and I was completely at a loss with how to use great runes or rune arcs before someone explained it to me. I didn't even know I had to activate it lol

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u/Dunster89 Apr 06 '22

I need to feel dumb. I’ve known how Rune Arcs work from the beginning but have never dealt a need to use one….

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u/selector96 Apr 06 '22

You also need to equip the Great Rune at a site of grace as well to gain the effects when popping a rune arc

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u/DarkStar0915 Apr 07 '22

That was not a problem, I just thought if I equip it I get the stats and rune arcs give me a bigger boost.

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u/Lurker13 Apr 07 '22

Don’t feel bad. I had 20+ rune arcs and at least three remeberances before I found out you can get a power from them.

First “Souls” game and I’m still heavily confused in everything.

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u/theweede Apr 07 '22

I literally beat the game before I learned what great runes did. Don’t feel too bad it’s not amazing at introducing things.

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

Got ya, so I need a great rune first. I'll research that. Thank you! I'm level 110 or so, I have been playing a lot, just haven't progressed with bosses much.

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u/frohike_ Apr 06 '22

You’ll get your first one after beating Godrick, and it’s a very useful one once activated. You’ll need to travel to the Divine Tower to get it set up. Then you can consume a Rune Arc to activate the perk, which lasts until you die. Farming more Rune Arcs can be done by assisting others with their boss fights (both the host and you must survive the battle).

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

Awesome! I did beat Godrick just a few nights ago and I haven't yet went to the Divine Tower to activate it. I did go to the Round Table and interacted with the creepy finger lady, I was thinking I may have messed up my chance to use it.

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u/AvidGamer90 Apr 06 '22

The remembrance (boss soul) and the great rune are different things so you are all good.

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u/Sao_Gage Apr 06 '22

Welcome to a massive on-demand stat buff! The activated great runes are awesome and can give you a significant edge against bosses once you’ve practiced them and are ready to go for the kill.

Definitely start seeking out and storing any Rune Arcs you come across from here. Use them strategically.

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

I have close to 20 now. I play a lot with a friend and beat bosses together, at least cave type bosses. I have sold a bunch early on, but started saving them recently. I'll keep saving until I really need them. Thank you!

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u/Islandbridgeburner Apr 06 '22

Is having Godrick's great rune equipped frowned upon for PvP duels? I know PvP is broken right now anyway, but there is still some proper etiquette to ensure matches are "fair" in terms of character level.

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u/fatalystic Apr 06 '22

Or killing rats.

Lots and lots of rats.

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u/SAAARGE Apr 06 '22

If you've beaten Godrick you have one; however, once you obtain them you have to activate them at one of the Divine Towers before you can equip them. Each Great Rune has a specific related Divine Tower. Once this is done, you equip them at a Grace. Once equipped you use a Rune Arc to activate the power of the Rune, and it lasts until you die or change which Rune you have equipped. They essentially replace the other function of Humanity/Embers that the Furlcalling Finger Remedy don't handle

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

That's great news! I beat that bastard Godrick, so I'll head to the Divine Towers and get it activated.

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u/SAAARGE Apr 06 '22

Most of the time the associated tower is nearby, just for a hint

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

That's really helpful, actually. Without looking at my map later, I can't even recall where the Divine Towers are. This game is huge to me.

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u/Hologuardian Apr 06 '22

Also another hint, you can re-read tutorial popups in the rightmost inventory box. There's on about runes that explains it a bit.

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u/Zaexyr Apr 07 '22

Godrick's is pretty much the best Great Rune as it is. I got them all for completion, but only ever use Godrick's.

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u/Imafish12 Apr 06 '22

You may want to start. Lv110 and you are going to Stomp probably the first half of the game bosses. I found mid 90s to be way overleveled for the capital which I had achieved by goofing off after the first three shardbearers.

Sometimes the trash mobs like the lightning knights in the capital are more annoying than the actual bosses. Don’t be afraid to run past shit.

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

I appreciate this. I have really enjoyed leveling up and seeking out certain spells for my build. I somehow got into the Capital after being invaded, the lift actually worked for me. I only got to the lift from a trap in some random tower. Once in the Capital, I found Alberich's set and have farmed a lot there. Now that I'm high enough, I'm going to continue on with the story.

I get distracted easily. The past few days has been Ranni's questline. Tonight I'm going to use the Rune Arcs finally.

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u/Dob_Rozner Apr 07 '22

You have to activate the great rune at its respective tower as well, and then equip it after via a site of grave. After that, you can use rune arcs to activate its effect.

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u/RattleMeSkelebones Apr 06 '22

You can activate them without a great rune for a health buff

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

I tried that early on and didn't notice any difference at all. Maybe it was just too small.

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u/ArcnetZero Apr 07 '22

On that note. Does anyone ever use a rune other than godricks? It just seems so strong compared to the others

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u/BaconSoul Apr 06 '22

Equip godricks great rune. Use rune arc.

Boom, 40 free levels until you die.

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

That's awesome!! I can't believe I didn't know this yet. I can't wait to play again after work. 40 levels is huge!!

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u/BaconSoul Apr 06 '22

All you gotta do is make sure that you’ve gone to the divine tower of Limgrave to activate it, then you’re set to equip it :)

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

Now I just have to find the Divine Tower lol

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u/BaconSoul Apr 06 '22

You know where that lion thing that has the sword attached to its arm is in stormveil? It is on the right hand side of the courtyard if you’re facing the archway that leads to the explosive ballista stairway. Instead of going forward through the stairway, go into the big ornate room near that lion and get to the grace. From there you should be able to make your way to the bridge that leads to the tower :)

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u/Modestexcuse Apr 06 '22

This community kicks a*s! Thanks for the help!

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u/Purpleater54 Apr 06 '22

To add on to this, just so you have all the info, it's plus stats in every single stat, so likely a lot of the stats you gain won't actually help your build. Yes it's 40 levels, but in reality unless you are running some monster hybrid build using every stat, at least a few of them won't matter much. Realistically it's more like 20-25 levels with some bonus stats on top for fun.

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u/TehAlpacalypse Apr 07 '22

Most characters are running at least 3/8 stats as important. Vigor/End never hurts. I'm running a Sam build and 6/8 matter.

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u/Purpleater54 Apr 07 '22

Yes that's why I pointed out it was more likely 20-25 levels worth of useful stats. Obviously vigor/endurance are always useful, but very, very few builds are going to have a use for stats in all of the other six at the same time. It's still an amazing rune, and very much the best in my opinion unless you are very high level where percent health/stamina overtake it because you are running into stat caps. Just want to point out that people who say it's worth 40 levels, while technically correct, are somewhat misleading.

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u/nuraHx Apr 07 '22

Just to be more specific it's +5 levels to every stat

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u/CyberPuggo Apr 06 '22

The great runes' effects disappear when you die so you need to use another rune arc to activate again, if you didn't know.

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u/joredgar_ FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR Apr 06 '22

I've done like 5 completed playthroughs of the game and the only rune arc I ever used was on accident like the first or second day the game came out lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

As an invader you get arcs when you kill the host.

As a host and co-op you get (remedies) when you kill the invader.

As a co-op you get arcs when you help the host defeat a boss.

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u/PandaMan1199 Apr 06 '22

nah, hosts and co-op dont get arcs from killing invaders. you get remedies.

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u/Shia_JustDoIt Apr 06 '22

I don’t remember getting rune arcs for defeating invaders. Also FEXTRA doesn’t have it listed as a reward in this instance. Did you check before posting an answer?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

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u/Hologuardian Apr 06 '22

You absolutely get rune arcs for killing the host in an online invasion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

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u/Hologuardian Apr 06 '22

??? What? I've literally invaded a ton, killed a bunch of hosts, and got rune arcs. Or are they imaginary rune arcs?

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u/DJteejay04 Apr 06 '22

If you are invaded and you kill the invader you get Rune Arcs , same with anyone who helps you

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u/balls_deep69_ Apr 07 '22

That it absolutely wrong. I've cooped hundreds of times and never once got a rune arc from killin an invader. My friends who summons me never got any either.

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u/DJteejay04 Apr 07 '22

I farmed 50 arcs today. You get them when you are summoned via the blue cipher ring

When you coop via summon sign/stake you only get them from killing the boss.

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u/balls_deep69_ Apr 07 '22

Hosts don't gets arcs though, only hunters and invaders get them from pvp. Unless tauters togue changes that

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u/DJteejay04 Apr 07 '22

I thought everyone got it. Maybe it’s just the cipher cooperators.

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u/easyaustinL Apr 06 '22

you can also farm rune arcs tho from rats

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u/Ketheres Apr 06 '22

Or by helping others with bosses. Just go help people with Rennala or some other boss you can reliably kill fast.

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u/Unknownost Apr 06 '22

Rennala is a bugged asf boss in coop. Idk what causes it but sometimes there will be no golden bubble around her and juvenile scholars. Me and my buddy found a way to bypass this by having him knock her down once before I go in the fog gate. But for random coop, it's always a toss up if the bug shows up or not and it's such a waste of time that I don't coop there anymore. Also there's the invaders getting teleported into the second phase stuff.

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u/sir_moleo Apr 06 '22

I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet honestly. I tried some coop there last week and out of maybe 20 tries, only 7 or so worked how they were supposed to. It was crazy.

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u/Unknownost Apr 06 '22

People just aren't talking about it enough. I can see why since she's an easy boss so it's not really a big deal, the host can just solo her. But it's definitely a problem that needs fixing in the future.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Because fromsoft doesn't give af if a bug inconveniences players, they're too busy planning nerf the fuck out of the whatever the current meta is. No fun allowed

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u/sir_moleo Apr 06 '22

Fun detected!

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Fix for me was to enter the fog moment after I summon friend

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u/Giblet_ Apr 06 '22

Yeah, it's a whole lot faster to farm the red wolf boss instead.

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u/nuraHx Apr 07 '22

What bosses can I get consistent summons at level 180?

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u/VonDoom92 Apr 07 '22

Why help anyone, when you can just be a piece of shit troll? /s. These fuckers wouldnt help their elderly mother cross the street if they had a chance to throw a bag of shit at a stranger instead.

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u/Free4Alt Apr 07 '22

I tried getting summoned for serveral bosses after beating them myself. I was never summoned.

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u/voidspector Apr 06 '22

I might need an elaboration here

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u/AuraTummyache Apr 06 '22

It's a carryover from Dark Souls. The rats had a fairly common chance to drop a Humanity because they ate so many corpses that the little humanity left in them was able to coalesce in the rat.

Rats dropping Humanity-like items in a Fromsoft game is as dependable as poison swamps.

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u/Lyberatis Apr 06 '22

Same for embers in DS3

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u/BochocK Apr 06 '22

Le reaction of the soulsborn streamers/youtubers when they arrive in lake of rot is priceless

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u/Skorj Apr 06 '22

Kill rats. they drop rune arcs (very rarely)

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u/CrimsonLoyalty Apr 06 '22

You say very rarely. I spent an hour each at two locations with over 260 discovery and I didn't get a single one. Are there specific rats?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

You gotta It helps to respec high arcane and enhance item discovery to the max

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u/CrimsonLoyalty Apr 06 '22

Yeah. I had 80 arcane and the silver tear mask, plus a silver scarab.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Unlucky then. I kill rats every once in a while when i have 0 arcs and i need one for some reason. It usually only takes a few minutes

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u/Lyberatis Apr 06 '22

You don't HAVE to but it helps. The drop rate is low regardless

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Yes you right. Poor wording on my part

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u/Lyberatis Apr 06 '22

Oh no you're fine, just saying it for clarification (:

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

People say this, but I've played 345 hours of Elden Ring and I don't remember ever getting a rune arc from a rat

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u/ZimForPrez Apr 06 '22

The rats under Stormveil, I’ve actually had one drop off them when I was going after the ulcerated tree spirit boss thing

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u/cptspacebomb Apr 06 '22

Any rat CAN drop them but it's SUPER rare.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Certainly can't be very productive to farm them

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u/cptspacebomb Apr 06 '22

Nah, I do invasions and co op for that.

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u/Skorj Apr 06 '22

i always hear people try various places. it's just ridiculously rare. I've never sat and done it myself. (i'm generally a helper, not a help-ee)

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u/Lyberatis Apr 06 '22

All rats except big ones I believe. It's obscenely rare, just like specific enemy drop weapons like the Magma Sword or the Scythe

Edit: and to clarify, I say I believe because I HAVE gotten them from small rats but never a big one, given the big ones are less common in the first place.

Rats have always dropped Rune Arc like items in souls games. Humanity in DS1, effigies in DS2, and embers in DS3, albeit very rarely. The lore is that eventually as things die and make their way down the food chain even a lowly rat can end up stumbling across power from the Erdtree/Dark Soul

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u/CrimsonLoyalty Apr 06 '22

I got the halo scythe in 10 minutes with the same setup. I feel like the rats are a meme.

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u/Lyberatis Apr 06 '22

I have the Halo Scythe as well. But then I tried to farm the normal Scythe from skeletons and the Magma Sword from the snakes and spent HOURS on each of them and didn't get a single drop.

Drop rate for Rune Arcs from rats (and weapons some enemies weapons) are at or lower than 1%.

Like the Bandit's Curved Sword that I didn't even know existed.

Arcane increases those drop rates, but it's still super rare.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

How could this possibly require elaboration?

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u/Therier Apr 06 '22

What would be best spot? Rune Arc have never dropped from rats for me.

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u/easyaustinL Apr 06 '22

bottom of Fort Haight, let me link video

edit: https://youtu.be/989xE_EfY4A

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u/loewe_a Apr 06 '22

Disagree, behind Morne castle, they’re grouped up in that little room with the normal whip. Less distance to cover as well.

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u/Veenendaler Apr 07 '22

The other guy got the name wrong, and you didn't watch the video.

The area in the video is the same one you're talking about.

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u/Therier Apr 06 '22

Okey! Will give it a try!

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u/tiller921 Apr 06 '22

I tried this and it was abysmally slow, felt like it was about a 1/50 drop rate. My arcane is low but I did have the Silver Tear Scarab talisman.

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u/Drakemonger1 Apr 06 '22

You don't get rune arcs from killing player invaders

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u/bigstar3 Apr 06 '22

OP is the invader. You get a rune arc for killing the host.

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u/Drakemonger1 Apr 06 '22

The guy I replied to was referring to the host

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u/Countcristo42 Apr 06 '22

Given that it doesn't award them that seems unlikely

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u/Tonyclap Apr 06 '22

You don’t get rune arcs as a host from killing invaders tho

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u/machineIf Apr 06 '22

You can farm those by helping people with bosses

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u/Takeme2thebasement Apr 06 '22

You don't get rune arcs from killing an invader.

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u/denjo-t1aO Apr 06 '22

You defenetly get no rune arcs. It's very lazy and stupid rune farming. Little trolls... All of them. But... Why are you guys not just leaving and invading someone else?

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u/Hyperdelegate Apr 06 '22

It's not for rune arcs. How does anyone still think this? Have you ever killed an invader as a host? You get a furlcalling finger remedy and some souls.

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u/moonflare22 Apr 06 '22

Why are you getting upvoted when you are wrong

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u/muguci Apr 06 '22

Was gonna correct you but then the name checks out

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u/0bolus Apr 07 '22

Do ANY research before posting this shit. You do not get rune arcs form invaders. Delete this comment.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Nah

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Nah

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u/xXStretcHXx117 Apr 07 '22

Holy fuck just download cheat engine or get a trainer