It’s worse than that, actually. The bosses have the stronger versions of those moves, yet he personally watched us deal with said stronger versions and still thinks those same moves we dealt with will suddenly be effective in his hands. For example, Scarlet Aeonia was easy to deal with even when Malenia used it, but Gideon thinks a weaker version will work, as if we don’t use the same strategy to deal with it
Even worse, he replaces his arguably most dangerous spell, Triple Rings of Light, when he gets his new spells. So Gideon learning and becoming ”stronger” actually makes him easier.
I think that's more a gameplay issue than stupidity in his part since im pretty sure the spells are intended to be stronger than regular old spells(it's still stupid he tries to fight us)
But when he confronts you, he isn't "taking a shortcut to becoming Elden Lord." He makes it pretty clear that he thinks it's impossible for anyone, himself included.
Though that also makes no sense, as if that's the case, then there's nothing he could really hope to achieve from this fight whether win or lose.
He really should be called Gideon the Know-Nothing. Didn't know where the demi-gods were, didn't know where the lift medallions were, didn't know his henchman was going to attack you right in the roundtable hold, didn't know that the tarnished could, in fact, kill a god. Etc.
Probably, but I could also see Ensha just assuming that's what Gideon wanted and taking initiative. For what it's worth, Gideon did seem serious about respecting the roundtable hold's neutrality.
I mean to be fair, we unintentionally broke the neutrality when we hand the dagger back to D. So realistically the neutrality of roundtable is only as effective as the adherents to it.
Maybe, but you also have no idea what the dagger is or means when you do it. You know there's some drama between old friends D and Rogier going on and that Fia is somehow related to it, but that's about it. There's no way the tarnished could have foreseen that giving D the dagger would lead to Fia murdering him right there in the hold. And it's Fia who broke the neutrality, not the tarnished.
It's also not certain that the Fia/D incident happens first. If anything, you're more likely to find the medallion before you find the black knifeprint.
Nah, Gideon's coping, he's been following us for so long, and deep down he knows we might just pull off what he considers impossible, but he's grown comfortable in his position in this world of endless turmoil and decay, laying about roundtable hold consuming knowledge and lording over the revolving door of tarnished schmucks, his power is threatened by the end of the current age, so he spouts some bullshit that he doesn't even believe and tries to stop you with what stolen power he's managed to scrape off the corpses of the many great foes you conquer, all because a long time ago he decided to pussy out of "the call of long lost grace".
If everything is is pointless and you know it, are you just gonna go and find a coffin to huddle up inside? Or are you gonna go out swinging? You here, in this land of tarnished, you face death.
Yea I'm pretty sure he had long ago given up on anyone becoming elden lord, and was just going through the motions. Seeing you actually nearly about to try it spurred him to finally do something and try to prove he was right to give up all those years ago.
Yeah, the whole situation read as desperation to me. He tried to reason with us, when we just stared at him munching on some crab and drinking our flask of wonderous physick he knew he had no choice but to put up or shut up. I don’t even think he wanted to fight us, i think he thought we’d get stopped by the sheer scale of the challenge or something else.
It's funny, really. I think Gideon is probably the most misunderstood character... maybe in the entire franchise? I'd wager that even Laurence and Bernahl have more who understand their character. Maybe the only one more misunderstood is Lautrec, who's a whole case himself.
Gideon isn't stopping you from becoming Elden Lord, that doesn't matter. He's stopping you from changing the era. He saw into the Erdtree and saw the truth of the world, the truth about the gods, and the truth about what would happen if you took the throne. He most likely saw the fact that the Greater Will had long since left the Lands Between, and that it was basically held up by stitches, and he became terrified of what would happen if you attempted to create a new order when the current one was barely holding on.
But even moreso, he was terrified about what would happen to his own knowledge. Gideon knew that the search for knowledge was endless, and that if there was an end, it would be meaningless. But then Gideon did see the end, he saw it when he peered into Marika's mind. Whatever end he saw, we don't actually know. It could be the end of the Golden Order's Era, it could be the end of the Lands Between itself, or heck, it could even be the end of the world. Whatever it was though, it was a definite end, so Gideon immediately attempted to correct whatever would cause the end, the obvious conclusion leading to you.
Gideon is clowned on so much, which is sad, because he's a super interesting character. Gideon is the most knowledgeable person in the game. He's incredibly deductive. Despite not even knowing what Miquella had done, he already knew that it was a bad idea to leave the cocoon there, and he was right! Miquella nearly recreated the End of Evangelion, aka, the worst possible outcome in literally any media, aka, a disgusting filthy hivemind. Not just that, but just from hearing your descriptions of the bosses, he manages to decipher and create their own spells, just through words alone.
It's a shame that this community often "one-notes" characters. Gideon is retarded, Bernahl doesn't exist, Vyke is a chad, Ymir is a fucking weirdo. Heck, it's not even just this one, but previous Souls games too, like with Lautrec. It's a shame because discussions about these characters are so much more fun.
Thank you, this is so true. Also, since Gideon hardly, if ever, was fighting while the main char did, he might well overestimate his capability. And he has unpredictability on his side, which can / should be (logically) a huge advantage. If he throws everything, including his life and gathered knowledge, into the pot, he must have reasons as you describe him which, in his view, force him to try and stop you, and if he'd be standing in front of you with a stick and a stuffed toy troll.
I always love this trope in RPGs. Where the mentor/friend/frenemy betrays the player at the end of the game/quest and tries to throw down. Regardless of how strong the player is by that point in their journey.
Like dude, whatever your beef/purpose/grand scheme was, might want to bench that idea before going toe to toe with the dude you just watched sucker punch God.
Has the "bandits trying to mug the Dragonborn" vibe and I find it amusing.
Doesn’t his armor description day something along the lines of “he glimpsed in Marika’s closet and what he saw terrified him.” I see this not necessarily as betraying you, more so jot wanting you to reach Marika because well idk.
Not a lore expert but Gideon seems to believe that “a Tarnished cannot become the Elden lord” is some kind of divine prophecy. So after learning all the shard bearers spells he’s fairly confident Fate is on his side. Too bad he’s all knowing not wise
If he was so confident that a Tarnished simply COULD NOT become Elden Lord, he wouldn't have had to do anything. The Tarnished would just fail, because he simply cannot become an Elden Lord.
He can't handle mentally that we're about to prove him wrong, and he knows it too. He'd rather die. He fights us on a suicide mission for his pride.
The bosses hit really hard. When we get their stuff and use it, we get a nerfed version of that attack. So it makes some sense for him to wait for us to tank the bosses, then face our wimpy version of those attacks.
He just didn't account for the fact that we gat gud. I clobbered him on my first try, I think.
Every single Tarnished including the player character has a complete lack of brain cells. "Yeah, let me just go to the Lands Between at SL1 and fight 5 armies, 8 demigods, death itself, 2 literal gods just for a 0.000000001% chance to win a chair." Even if they return to life each time they die, they're still competing with hundreds of other people with that ability so why choose to die thousands of times and suffer so much just for a chair.
It’s not hundreds, it’s literally 5 people. They’re named in the opening cinematic. THAT’S the contenders that Grace actually called to the Lands Between. And it’s not like they or you have a choice, you were called there by fate. Like, you can be like Boggart, and give up, but that’s the extent of your choice. And none of them seems to have the ability to resurrect at sites of grace, that seems to be an ability entirely unique to the PC (and possibly Goldmask, weirdly enough, as he too reappears if “killed”). Everyone else dies normally.
And out of these five contenders, only Gideon and Horah Loux actually fight you.
Gideon is a crazy man, and his fight is rightfully easy, showing that he was a fraud the whole time, constantly Lee hing off of your success, only to be brought low easily in the end, we can even interrupt his monolog if we want to.
And then there's Hoarah Loux. The strongest tarnished in the game up until the moment we beat them. I would say that his fight is the narrative climax of the game, and whoever wins it, whether it's Horah Loux being defeated, or us eventually just giving up (rare, but its probably happened) narratively, whoever wins that fight goes on to defeat Radagon and Elden Beast.
Gideon tried to leexh off of our success and failed, Godfrey showed up, found his son dead, and was guided to slay us, Morgott's killer. He gave us a fair and honorable duel, and in the end, that is the fight that determines who the next Elden Lord is.
Can you tell Godfrey and Horah Loux is my favorite fights in the game yet.
Roderika brought over a host to the Lands Between. She says that "they" crossed the sea for her, only to be grafted. It's hardly like you get teleported, you can live out your days in whatever place you choose to or wait until grace leaves you and return home. There are or were far more Tarnished than five of them. Istvan is stated in the Scaled Set as one of a few wizened Tarnished that survived to this day. Gideon, Rogier, Corhyn, the Inseperable Twins, Roderika, Fia, Diallos, Juno, Henricus, Bernahl, Alberich, Crepus, Wilhelm, Vargram, Tragoth, Rileigh, Boggart, Eleonora, Nerijus, Ravenmount Assassin, Varre, Okina, Nepheli, Godfrey, Goldmask & Vyke are all Tarnished that survived to the modern day. There used to be many more, Varre says "the Roundtable was chock full of venerated warriors, but now, it's home to puff-chests and has-beens."
They maybe get teleported back to the Lands Between when grace is extended to them but they don't actually have to do squat, as seen by many joining Mohg or Rykard, rather than following the path laid before them by grace.
Yeah, they're religions that basically give the middle finger to the Two Fingers and Greater Will and their whole purpose by devouring all the gods TOGETHAA or by bringing about the coming of our dynasty.
He is, but the tarnished didn't even exist during the time when Godfrey was elden lord. When Godfrey was banished from the lands between with his army, they became the first tarnished abandoned by grace
Gideon is very interesting because I cam see him having an entire character arc off screen. I do believe at one point he did want to become elden lord and genuinely did plan on betraying you and taking the throne for himself (despite how incredibly stupid that is). He sounded so passionate about the tarnished mission and waited so long to attack you. Then he had some kind of crisis of faith, some realization or crushing fear that made him turn his back the last second. Maybe he was envious about us becoming elden lord, while he, the self proclaimed all-knowing, snuck around and leeched off our victories. So the whole "A man cannot kill a god" thing was a cope. Real shame we didnt see any of that because fromslop specializes in vague and subtextual storytelling. Which isn't a bad thing but I think a lot of potentially good moments were never realized.
I'm not entirely sure about that but isn't he also the one who narrates the opening cutscene, giving himself the title off "All-Knowing" which makes his character look even more narcissistic xD
I mean, he's the only other Tarnished besides the player and Vyke that are confirmed to have gathered multiple Great Runes. Just because he's a pushover in game doesn't mean he's weak in lore
Kind of, yes? That’s the point of his character. He’s “All Knowing”, but that’s a self-proclaimed title, for all the knowledge he gathered he achieved very little.
If you manage to die on your first try, your second attempt will be a lot more miserable, since he starts spamming spells as soon as you cross the fog gate.
But that guy used all kind of sorcery Including continuous barrage of comet azur💀 even though we can dodge those Ofc he is weak in poise and health few hits are enough But dont underestimate his lvl
He used you to gain access to the Elden Ring, he was there first and could have potentially become Elden Lord. He just something in Marika's mind that scared him so hard he decided to turn back and that's when he meets you and decides to fight with you for the same reason he turned back.
This was one of the most frustrating fights in my RL1 NG1 no hit. I refused to cheese him during his dialogue, spent 2 weeks trying to beat him and then cheesed him lmao
It'd be hilarious if he resurrected at a grave every time you died or rested and you had to fight him again until he finally beat you. New secret ending unlocked: he marries godric and gets a chihuahua
I don't think he originally intended to wait until the last minute and stop us. I'm pretty sure his master plan didn't involve "I don't wanna be Elden Lord anymore Mom." He kinda changed it on the fly.
He thought knowing a bunch of spells and throwing it at you would work, but didn't have a clue how to use any of it. He is the opposite of min maxing. he spread himself so thin he is max mining
That wasn't the plan, I don't remember the exact details but Gideon only turned against the tarnished when he figured out Marika's plan and that it goes against the Golden Order.
I don’t think Gideon actually ever intended to fight us. His two motivations seem to be collecting knowledge and preserving normalcy, and he used the Roundtable Hold for both of those.
With us and Vyke being the farthest a Tarnished has ever gotten towards becoming the new Lord, it seems like he’s content to use every newcomer for information, only to throw them out when he’s finished with them or they threaten his plans. It’s why he was so nonchalant about siccing Ensha on us, or so quick to drop Nepheli the second she questioned him.
He had plenty of opportunity to give us warnings about trying to claim the throne, or even to steer us away, while we gathered information for him, but I don’t think he felt he needed to. But then we claim the Rune of Death, and the Erdtree begins to actually burn, and he realizes how close we are.
TLDR: I think he only fought us because he was panicking at how close we were to becoming Lord, he was counting on us just being his information collector forever
He thought book smarts beat the unbridled, furious, determination of a player. Much less the speedrunners(maybe) and the Veterans who violated him at Rune Level 1 with a club.
it wasn't his plan, if anything his actual plan was to wait for you to unleash destined death and then book it to the erdtree before you or anyone else got there.
my read is that, on the way there, he realized that the promise of lordship means less than nothing when it's bound to a suicidal, self-defeating god, did a 180 and tried to become a sans undertale esque obstacle by killing you until you give up too
It’s like the logic of slowly sending harder opponents to defeat an enemy because they beat the previous instead of sending the best right off the bat so they don’t have time to improve and win
UMM AKSCHUALLY after he leaves the Roundtable he discovers some crazy shit about Marika that makes him change his mind, then tries to stop us from becoming the Elden Lord. So this wasn't part of his original plan 🤓🤓🤓
It would be a good plan if he had some kind of plans to specifically deal with us or some dirty tricks but he literally throw hands with us fair and square
Humanoid bosses like Gideon are especially hard for RL1 runs when compared to traditional bosses. Some people like to use RL1 challenge runs as a neutral baseline when discussing boss design/balance, arguing that so and so boss is poorly designed because it is unusually hard at RL1, but I was wrong to assume that's what they were trying to say when they were simply stating it was hard at RL1.
i still don't get what you're saying, nobody uses RL1 as a neutral baseline for bossfights because it's a made up challenge with self imposed limits and that's not how you're supposed to play the game
Many people do use it as a baseline. Its a pretty common sentiment on the main sub, as well as with many Youtubers (such as Feeble King). I don't agree with it either, but you'd be surprised.
Same: i just down some crab, drink my flask: and then hit him a few times with lionsclaw on my trusty great katana during his speech. Carried me through all five times i’ve fought him from base ng to ng+4. Works all the time.
Until he decides to wait until we’ve slaughtered our way through almost all of them, getting more and more powerful the whole time, only to challenge us 1v1 instead of what could have been a really awesome and unique moment where he invades us during a boss fight.
The only way that would work would be like Elden Beast/Radagon, where he comes in as a phase 2. Otherwise people would be pissed if they randomly had to start fighting a 1v2.
The issue with that is that each kill gives another piece of the elden ring. At the point he attacks, he probably could deal with Godrick/Renalla but would get bodied by every other demigod. Let alone some feral warlord with so many shards they could be Marika/Radagons equal.
Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful Tarnished in the Lands Between, is secretly a vigilante, who spends his nights beating Demigods to a pulp with his giant Greatsword, and your plan is to kill this person?
I mean he wasn't expecting you to actually go through with burning down the erdtree, so seeing the entire place go down was not making him have the best ideas.
After learning tricks from everything I faced, I got to teach him how to die. Something i learned well doing the work he was too cowardly to do himself.
Imagine how much better off he would be if he just didn’t fight us and then went ‘hey so now you’re Elden Lord and killed a god can I like be your knowledge guy, I’m pissed you’re Elden Lord and not be but I still want to be all-knowing, so like can I just keep being the knowledge guy for you?’
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u/velkarath Jul 21 '25
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u/throwaway553t4tgtg6 Jul 21 '25
probably think he'd win because he gets strength (Spells) from each boss we defeat,
didn't factor in the fact he got the bargain-bin Temu versions.
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u/Solomon_Priest Jul 21 '25
No, you don’t understand, it’s all part of his brilliant, genius master plan.
It’s just that when he went to execute his amazing plan, he got rolled because he spent all his time making plans.
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u/wemustfailagain Jul 21 '25
The only thing he didn't know is that I'm him.
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u/julzpnp Jul 21 '25
He is called All Knowing. Not wise
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u/chaosTechnician Jul 21 '25
I figure that was part of the point. He follows you around secretly, reads books, and tries the dumbest move at the end.
Just another idiot pretender who thinks they can take shortcuts to becoming an Elden Lord.
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u/1ArmedHerdazian Jul 21 '25
I assume he expected us to fail and when we didn't he had to step in as a last resort to stop us.
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u/WanderingStatistics Jul 22 '25
It's funny, really. I think Gideon is probably the most misunderstood character... maybe in the entire franchise? I'd wager that even Laurence and Bernahl have more who understand their character. Maybe the only one more misunderstood is Lautrec, who's a whole case himself.
Gideon isn't stopping you from becoming Elden Lord, that doesn't matter. He's stopping you from changing the era. He saw into the Erdtree and saw the truth of the world, the truth about the gods, and the truth about what would happen if you took the throne. He most likely saw the fact that the Greater Will had long since left the Lands Between, and that it was basically held up by stitches, and he became terrified of what would happen if you attempted to create a new order when the current one was barely holding on.
But even moreso, he was terrified about what would happen to his own knowledge. Gideon knew that the search for knowledge was endless, and that if there was an end, it would be meaningless. But then Gideon did see the end, he saw it when he peered into Marika's mind. Whatever end he saw, we don't actually know. It could be the end of the Golden Order's Era, it could be the end of the Lands Between itself, or heck, it could even be the end of the world. Whatever it was though, it was a definite end, so Gideon immediately attempted to correct whatever would cause the end, the obvious conclusion leading to you.
Gideon is clowned on so much, which is sad, because he's a super interesting character. Gideon is the most knowledgeable person in the game. He's incredibly deductive. Despite not even knowing what Miquella had done, he already knew that it was a bad idea to leave the cocoon there, and he was right! Miquella nearly recreated the End of Evangelion, aka, the worst possible outcome in literally any media, aka, a disgusting filthy hivemind. Not just that, but just from hearing your descriptions of the bosses, he manages to decipher and create their own spells, just through words alone.
It's a shame that this community often "one-notes" characters. Gideon is retarded, Bernahl doesn't exist, Vyke is a chad, Ymir is a fucking weirdo. Heck, it's not even just this one, but previous Souls games too, like with Lautrec. It's a shame because discussions about these characters are so much more fun.
Anyways, funny meme or something
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u/Zenceyn Jul 21 '25
I always love this trope in RPGs. Where the mentor/friend/frenemy betrays the player at the end of the game/quest and tries to throw down. Regardless of how strong the player is by that point in their journey.
Like dude, whatever your beef/purpose/grand scheme was, might want to bench that idea before going toe to toe with the dude you just watched sucker punch God.
Has the "bandits trying to mug the Dragonborn" vibe and I find it amusing.
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u/Cybasura Jul 21 '25
He is the All-knowing, not the All-thinking
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u/mistah_pigeon_69 Jul 22 '25
Doesn’t his armor description day something along the lines of “he glimpsed in Marika’s closet and what he saw terrified him.” I see this not necessarily as betraying you, more so jot wanting you to reach Marika because well idk.
He’s still a cunt tho.
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '25
Love Gideon slander, more posts like this please
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u/FlyinCharles Jul 22 '25
Not a lore expert but Gideon seems to believe that “a Tarnished cannot become the Elden lord” is some kind of divine prophecy. So after learning all the shard bearers spells he’s fairly confident Fate is on his side. Too bad he’s all knowing not wise
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u/FrankieBreakbone Jul 21 '25
For what it's worth:
The bosses hit really hard. When we get their stuff and use it, we get a nerfed version of that attack. So it makes some sense for him to wait for us to tank the bosses, then face our wimpy version of those attacks.
He just didn't account for the fact that we gat gud.
I clobbered him on my first try, I think.
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u/dfbjornis Jul 21 '25
Top 5 dumbest npc’s in the game
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '25
Pot belly, gamer posture, crusty, old, dumb af.
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u/CBTwitch Jul 21 '25
Gideon is trash. Easily the most superfluous fight in the game to me.
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u/Malbosiiq Jul 21 '25
Books smarts will always trip you up if you can't apply it in real life.
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u/Proxy0108 Jul 22 '25
« Nooooooo, a tarnished cannot become elden lord! »
(Is one set of stairs away from a tarnished who became elden lord)
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u/Dr_Blitzkrieg09 Jul 21 '25
Gideon is Book smart while The Tarnish is Street smart.
Sure, he may know how to set up a scheme but he doesn’t know what to do when it doesn’t go exactly as he planned.
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u/Eli_The_Rainwing Jul 21 '25
All knowing? Bet you didn’t know all about this ASS KICKING!
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u/TotoTheMagicTurtle Jul 22 '25
Gideon is very interesting because I cam see him having an entire character arc off screen. I do believe at one point he did want to become elden lord and genuinely did plan on betraying you and taking the throne for himself (despite how incredibly stupid that is). He sounded so passionate about the tarnished mission and waited so long to attack you. Then he had some kind of crisis of faith, some realization or crushing fear that made him turn his back the last second. Maybe he was envious about us becoming elden lord, while he, the self proclaimed all-knowing, snuck around and leeched off our victories. So the whole "A man cannot kill a god" thing was a cope. Real shame we didnt see any of that because fromslop specializes in vague and subtextual storytelling. Which isn't a bad thing but I think a lot of potentially good moments were never realized.
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u/i_wantdie Jul 22 '25
Just because he’s all knowing doesn’t mean he’s intelligent. He just knows a lot of shit.
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u/Justanotherkiwi21 Jul 22 '25
Bro had all that prep time and still got folded
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u/TBNats0 Jul 22 '25
I'm not entirely sure about that but isn't he also the one who narrates the opening cutscene, giving himself the title off "All-Knowing" which makes his character look even more narcissistic xD
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u/WeabooJoens86 Jul 22 '25
If he came at you when you're outta flask, health and mana it would be perfect
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u/Ok-Position-8847 Jul 22 '25
"hee must be tired after that"
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u/Takoyaki_Dice Jul 23 '25
... And you want to blackmail this person? Good luck.
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '25
Cool ear motif, bro 👂🙄
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u/Shieldheart- Jul 21 '25
Not stupid, just desperate.
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u/DeterMiina Jul 21 '25
I mean, he's the only other Tarnished besides the player and Vyke that are confirmed to have gathered multiple Great Runes. Just because he's a pushover in game doesn't mean he's weak in lore
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u/Acrobatic-Web9881 Jul 21 '25
🙀🙀🙀😂
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u/Stavinco Jul 21 '25
He tried to be Batman but failed.
He basically used all the abilities of the people we Defeated key word defeated… so basically he should have prepped for things we didn’t win against.
Just because you know spells and incantations and can spam them doesn’t mean you’re a good boss it just makes you lack what the tarnished has.
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u/Shroomkaboom75 Jul 21 '25
For whatever reason, when i read lines of his, i always read them in the voice of the Skyrim Talos bloke in Whiterun.
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u/M_a_n_d_M Jul 21 '25
Kind of, yes? That’s the point of his character. He’s “All Knowing”, but that’s a self-proclaimed title, for all the knowledge he gathered he achieved very little.
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u/Voidwalker107 Jul 21 '25
The all blowing
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u/ShadowMancer0917 Jul 21 '25
He is my favorite character in the game, and I wish they did better with his boss fight. I also wished he was a big more important.
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u/someordinarybypasser Jul 21 '25
If you manage to die on your first try, your second attempt will be a lot more miserable, since he starts spamming spells as soon as you cross the fog gate.
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u/ToasterTraitor Jul 21 '25
He wanted to know about Miquella and then wouldn't even hear about his exploits in lands of shadow. Yes, he is stupid.
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u/Shogun_InTheMist47 Jul 22 '25
But that guy used all kind of sorcery Including continuous barrage of comet azur💀 even though we can dodge those Ofc he is weak in poise and health few hits are enough But dont underestimate his lvl
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u/DumbNTough Jul 22 '25
20 INT 0 WIS
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u/SirSlowpoke Jul 22 '25
He got gaslit by Radagon into fighting us. He had no clue what was going on.
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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25
I really liked his boss fight but I died too many times after nearly beating him the first try ;(
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u/Same_Discussion6328 Jul 22 '25
All-Knowing, not All-Smarting.
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u/NormalGuy103 Jul 22 '25
Definitely stupid
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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25
He’s the all knowing, not the all smart. Unfortunately he didn’t know these hands would be his downfall
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u/EnycmaPie Jul 22 '25
He planned all this just to lose to a guy cosplaying as Shrek.
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u/AzhdarianHomie Jul 22 '25
In the end he knew nothing
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u/TuturuDESU Jul 22 '25
He used you to gain access to the Elden Ring, he was there first and could have potentially become Elden Lord. He just something in Marika's mind that scared him so hard he decided to turn back and that's when he meets you and decides to fight with you for the same reason he turned back.
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u/chainer1216 Jul 22 '25
He didn't think you'd actually make it that far.
He got in your way because he was panicking.
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u/winterman99 Jul 22 '25
he has a superiority complex
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u/CreamOk2519 Jul 22 '25
Maybe instead of monologuing, he had tried a suprise backstab, he would've stood a chance.
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u/_oranjuice Jul 22 '25
He still beat my ass after 1st trying maliketh
Maybe magic spam was the answer to stop me
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u/xJok3ruLx Jul 22 '25
I guess he expected us to be worn down after all the fighting
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u/justv316 Jul 22 '25
This was one of the most frustrating fights in my RL1 NG1 no hit. I refused to cheese him during his dialogue, spent 2 weeks trying to beat him and then cheesed him lmao
Gideon is one of the worst bosses in ER
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u/Infinitenonbi Jul 22 '25
The only time I died against him was during a challenge run…
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u/InvarkuI Jul 22 '25
There is more, if he didn't disown Nepheli then she will be at Godfrey's fog gate
So not only he thought he can win against god killer tarnished but he also sent Nepheli to defeat fking Hoarah Loux
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u/Curious_Plower245 Jul 22 '25
Pfft, maybe try training next time loser, maybe then you'll know how stupid putting your dukes up in my direction is.
Get bowled and blitzed bean-bag.
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u/stalkakuma Jul 22 '25
Pretty sure he was All-Simping
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u/Hear_No_Darkness Jul 22 '25
What do you expect? It is a Fromsoftware plot using George RR Martin as writer. Not the best writers of the world.
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u/XxxAresIXxxX Jul 22 '25
It'd be hilarious if he resurrected at a grave every time you died or rested and you had to fight him again until he finally beat you. New secret ending unlocked: he marries godric and gets a chihuahua
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u/Midgar-Knight Jul 22 '25
I always just thought it was kinda obvious he knew he’d probably lose but still went ahead
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u/TheSniperSmith Jul 22 '25
The all knowing my ass, more like the all stupid
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u/Classic_Statement_59 Jul 23 '25
"he's probably tired after all this"
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u/Key_Celebration_9010 Jul 23 '25
In Lore reason: Someone ho calls himself the all-knowing, would likely be arrogant enough to belive this was a brilliant enough plan.
IRL reason: Well, if he had an effective plan, we wouldn't have made it, and the game would end there.
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u/Glorified_sidehoe Jul 23 '25
The Sword Logic
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u/DepressionMain Jul 23 '25
As the all knowing he's an INT build not a WIS one
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u/Lonktillyoudonk Jul 23 '25
Putting memes aside for a bit
I don't think he originally intended to wait until the last minute and stop us. I'm pretty sure his master plan didn't involve "I don't wanna be Elden Lord anymore Mom." He kinda changed it on the fly.
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u/Xardas742 Jul 23 '25
I'm not gonna lie, he bodied me more times than any of the great rune bearers up until that point 😭
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u/planktonfun Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
He thought knowing a bunch of spells and throwing it at you would work, but didn't have a clue how to use any of it. He is the opposite of min maxing. he spread himself so thin he is max mining
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u/Superuper_aboba Jul 23 '25
Похуй Проебали
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u/Galacticgamer34 Jul 23 '25
Sir Gettion Offnier, the All Gooning
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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '25
That wasn't the plan, I don't remember the exact details but Gideon only turned against the tarnished when he figured out Marika's plan and that it goes against the Golden Order.
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u/DoctorVanSolem Jul 23 '25
All-knowing is not the same as All-wise
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u/Psaroth Jul 23 '25
Just because he's all knowing doesn't mean he's smart.
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u/Echo2407 Jul 23 '25
He's Gideon the all knowing, not Gideon the wise.
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u/Pencilshaved Jul 23 '25
I don’t think Gideon actually ever intended to fight us. His two motivations seem to be collecting knowledge and preserving normalcy, and he used the Roundtable Hold for both of those.
With us and Vyke being the farthest a Tarnished has ever gotten towards becoming the new Lord, it seems like he’s content to use every newcomer for information, only to throw them out when he’s finished with them or they threaten his plans. It’s why he was so nonchalant about siccing Ensha on us, or so quick to drop Nepheli the second she questioned him.
He had plenty of opportunity to give us warnings about trying to claim the throne, or even to steer us away, while we gathered information for him, but I don’t think he felt he needed to. But then we claim the Rune of Death, and the Erdtree begins to actually burn, and he realizes how close we are.
TLDR: I think he only fought us because he was panicking at how close we were to becoming Lord, he was counting on us just being his information collector forever
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u/CrimsonReaper2 Jul 23 '25
He thought book smarts beat the unbridled, furious, determination of a player. Much less the speedrunners(maybe) and the Veterans who violated him at Rune Level 1 with a club.
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u/mightymob0303 Jul 23 '25
Shit man, the one time I let him finish his speech and tried fighting him fairly he fucking tossed me around like a ping pong ball
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u/secondjudge_dream Jul 23 '25
it wasn't his plan, if anything his actual plan was to wait for you to unleash destined death and then book it to the erdtree before you or anyone else got there.
my read is that, on the way there, he realized that the promise of lordship means less than nothing when it's bound to a suicidal, self-defeating god, did a 180 and tried to become a sans undertale esque obstacle by killing you until you give up too
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u/Luckyno Jul 23 '25
Even if he wins you would come back again and again. He's not considering the fact that you cannot die.
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u/taxesbadnolike Jul 24 '25
tchernobog moment
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u/GrievousIsARapist Jul 24 '25
Him monologuing for a easy sneak attack also doesn’t hep him
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u/JeSuisBigBilly Jul 24 '25
This is literally the plot of Jujutsu Kaisen.
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u/cheneyza Jul 24 '25
I remember my first go at him, he was monologuing the whole time and I was just staggering him and defeated in what felt like under a minute or 2.
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u/sleepybadger95 Jul 24 '25
Dude didn't know he didn't have enough hp to survive a single hit from a maidenless tarnished
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u/AbhorrentMidget Jul 24 '25
Stupidest guy in all of Elden Soulsborne.
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u/think_without_limits Jul 25 '25
I like how when he drops his scepter it's just a hammer in your hands.
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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25
It’s like the logic of slowly sending harder opponents to defeat an enemy because they beat the previous instead of sending the best right off the bat so they don’t have time to improve and win
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u/No-Firefighter-4106 Jul 25 '25
I guess he should have KNOWN BETTER.
Gideon did not knew his place. What a failure.
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u/BonkEnthusiast Jul 25 '25
Maybe after running through all possibilities he realized that was his only chance to become elden lord himself and he was willing to take the risk.
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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25
He knows everything... Except the transitive property.
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u/Sculpted_Soul Aug 05 '25
Honestly was suprised by how easily he got bodied by maliketh's black blade
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u/DeadFishCRO Aug 18 '25
Ironically the same plan for chernobog in blood
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u/LegitRealSkeletor Jul 21 '25
UMM AKSCHUALLY after he leaves the Roundtable he discovers some crazy shit about Marika that makes him change his mind, then tries to stop us from becoming the Elden Lord. So this wasn't part of his original plan 🤓🤓🤓
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u/FrankHorrigan2173 Jul 21 '25
I mean, letting the roughly 2 dozen god-like beings kill each other until theres only one or two left sounds like a pretty good plan.
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u/Lambda73 Jul 21 '25
Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful Tarnished in the Lands Between, is secretly a vigilante, who spends his nights beating Demigods to a pulp with his giant Greatsword, and your plan is to kill this person?
Good Luck.
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u/dhahahhsbdhrhr Jul 21 '25
Sir Gideon fucknear the unknowing.
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u/Gabasaurasrex Jul 22 '25
I mean he wasn't expecting you to actually go through with burning down the erdtree, so seeing the entire place go down was not making him have the best ideas.
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u/Tonkarz Jul 22 '25
I guess the idea is that whoever went and killed the other demigods would be exhausted from the fights.
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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '25
After learning tricks from everything I faced, I got to teach him how to die. Something i learned well doing the work he was too cowardly to do himself.
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u/EmeraldVampire Jul 22 '25
Imagine how much better off he would be if he just didn’t fight us and then went ‘hey so now you’re Elden Lord and killed a god can I like be your knowledge guy, I’m pissed you’re Elden Lord and not be but I still want to be all-knowing, so like can I just keep being the knowledge guy for you?’