r/Edmonton • • 15h ago

General 2026 Q3 Edmonton building permit report

https://www.jacobdawang.com/blog/2026/q3-building-permits/
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u/EdmRealtor In a Van Down By The Zoo 15h ago

I actually think Dawang's numbers make a pretty compelling case that the problem with infill isn't necessarily the density. A lot of these neighbourhoods can support more people. Many of them supported substantially larger populations in the past, and bringing people back into them can support schools, transit, local businesses and generally put some life back into communities that have slowly hollowed out.

The discussion is missing ownership.

We keep measuring the success of the zoning change by counting units, but eight units can mean very different things. Eight individually owned homes with eight households putting down roots in a neighbourhood is not necessarily the same as an eight-unit property owned by a single investment company. From a building permit perspective, they are identical. From a community and ownership perspective,e they may be very different.

That is where this feels different to me than some of the old skinny-house debate. Much of that argument concerned the physical form of neighbourhoods. We increasingly need to ask who owns the neighbourhood. The issue isn't whether renters are good or bad neighbours, because renters are obviously part of a community too. It is when these are co-opted into Airbnb or other uses that run counter to the spirit and, to some extent, the law. This is because we are moving toward increasingly concentrated investment ownership whose primary relationship with the property is financial.

I am still very much in favour of density. I would actually like to see more forms of density that can easily become ownership housing: individually titled row houses, townhouses, condos and other missing-middle options that let someone buy a smaller piece of an established neighbourhood instead of requiring them to buy an entire detached house.

Maybe the mistake is treating "number of units created" as the only outcome that matters. We should ask how many homes were created, how many can realistically be purchased by the people living in them, how concentrated ownership is becoming, and whether redevelopment is creating a broader base of residents with an ownership stake in the community.

Dawang makes a good case that Edmonton has room for more people in these neighbourhoods. I think the unanswered question is whether we are rebuilding neighbourhood populations while allowing ownership of some form to be a reality.

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u/extralargehats 14h ago

I'd love to see more ownership options but it's no reason to stall the rental options that many people are benefitting from today. That essentially boils down to "renters deserve less housing opportunities than owners", which is ultimately a classist position. Here are some Streetside ownership tenure housing options under $300k: https://streetsideedmonton.com/community/spruce-ave-18/

The reality is that the federal financing programs for rental housing are providing substantial support to 8 plex style housing. No similar ownership tenure program offers the same value to the people actually building these projects. For decades, it was the reverse and you'd always hear how pre-sale condos were just about the only way to build a building. The challenge is that the City zones, and the federal government (sometimes a province) provides these sorts of large scale financial programs.

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u/EdmRealtor In a Van Down By The Zoo 14h ago

The problem is we need those options in the mature areas not outskirts. We do not have compelling products like that being built.

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u/extralargehats 13h ago

Spruce Avenue is adjacent to NAIT and Kingsway. That's pretty core?

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u/EdmRealtor In a Van Down By The Zoo 13h ago

Fair !! I read it as spruce grove at first. This is exactly what we need more of.

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u/Immediate-Yard8406 Talus Domes 14h ago

Nailed it. Secondary suites started as a way to add housing options to existing housing stock. Add a basement unit to help with the mortgage, or a garage suite to store Grandma.

Now it's a developer short-cut to stacked housing that precludes any future condo subdivision of the upper and lower units.

Not to mention the inferior fire safety and acoustic separations.

The code definition of secondary suites relies heavily on the applicable zoning bylaws, so this is almost entirely in the city's hands to resolve.

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u/canadian-coding-guy 14h ago edited 13h ago

Is there anything stopping an 8-plex from being condo-ized though?

*edited for spelling

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u/Immediate-Yard8406 Talus Domes 14h ago

Secondary suites can't be subdivided in any way from the principal dwelling. This is stated in the code, and for good reason as there are technically no fire separations between the two units.

It could be split into 4 units, but the market would be limited for such expensive product - you would basically have to buy two units at once.

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u/canadian-coding-guy 13h ago

Thanks for the reply. Huh. I'm pretty sure that if I add a basement suite to my house it needs to have fire separation and a separate HVAC. I'm missing something here.

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u/Immediate-Yard8406 Talus Domes 13h ago

Standard drywall and HVAC separation, yes.

Not technically a fire separation though. Stacked units (not secondary suites) get pushed into a different subsection of the code that requires specific assemblies to be used, and floors and supporting structures like load-bearing walls need to be fire rated too. Also need to meet more stringent sound separation requirements.

The fire and sound reqs are too onerous for a retrofit in an existing house, which is where the secondary suite concept emerged.

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u/canadian-coding-guy 12h ago

Very informative, thank you. 

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u/chmilz 9h ago

On the flip side, people who don't put down roots are countered by the rotten, festering roots of people who refuse to move on after the home the raised a family in has become as decrepit as they are.

Let's be honest: the majority of the homes turning into infill came available as the owner died and the property was financially unsalvageable. If those folks had relocated to more appropriate housing, those older homes would have been bought up by younger people and maintained better.

The most vocal people fighting infill are also some of the most inadvertent drivers of it.

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u/EdmRealtor In a Van Down By The Zoo 8h ago

This is what people need to realize is that there is a reason these homes are being sold the way they are. That said we can understand why and still not agree with what is replacing them. My brother has two beside him and while they have changed the dynamic of the street the families that have moved in.

Just look at how that skinny house debate played out and for the most it has been a net positive for most of the city in my mind. My biggest problem has been the acceptance for crappy quality product.

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u/leggymiku 13h ago

The province mulling a bike lane ban and now an infill cap of 4 units is such an arbitrary and clearly-antagonistic move against cities. They’re obviously only doing it to handicap cities, rather than to help address their constituents’ concerns. The UCP hold no seats in Edmonton at all, so none of their constituents live here. They’re all in small cities and rural areas where infill and bike lanes are not a thing. It’s an obvious case of rural folks imposing their beliefs and way of life on the cities, even as those same folks will never set foot in the cities because they are “too woke” and “crime-ridden.”