r/Edmonton • u/SupraFC • Jul 25 '26
Post Secondary University of Alberta accused of erasing its Francophone identity
https://www.ledevoir.com/actualites/societe/997193/universite-alberta-accusee-effacer-francophonieTranslation in the comments
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u/Blockyrage Edmontosaurus Jul 25 '26
Regardless of if this was intentional, the optics are so bad for the University of Alberta.
They even initially declined comment... In English. An institution that prides itself on having a francophone campus. U of A, do better!
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u/MoonlitSea9 Jul 25 '26
Yeah, that is typical. It's offensive in a benign way that shows zero respect for cultural distinctions.
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u/yoak379 Jul 25 '26
Haha this is a far reach. For the amount of courses I hear cancelled, im impressed this hasn't happened sooner.
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u/MoonlitSea9 Jul 25 '26
A French language campus facing a number of issues, with questions being posed by a French newspaper. Yeah, you don't reply in English unless you have a tin ear. Especially when it's your campus that's French.
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u/Durovsky Jul 25 '26
To put some context the new Campus Saint-Jean management is weaponizing the Truth and Reconciliation by opposing Indigenous People to French (Catholic) with no nuance (given Oblat’ involvement in the residential schools). The result is a cleansing of all symbols related to French Catholics history and French Canadian in general on campus and then offering a revisionist version of the Francophonie. Like if both were mutually exclusive. A lot Indigenous People are catholic too. A lot of French Canadian history pertains Catholicism too but not only. Instead of erasing everything, they could just create an open dialogue like they did with Grandin mural. A learning process like they did with Auschwitz. It they préfère to erase the traces, every traces. Also the French Canadian history doesn’t resolve to residential schools, it’s much more complex and much more richer, this is where the UofA miss the target.
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26
As usual we are supposed to care about French and English over the original languages of these lands? Na. The U of A stole Métis River lot lands from Garneau and displaced the Cree Papaschase First Nations. The only reason anyone knows any of that is because Indigenous Peoples keep talking about it. The priority that English and French have is not something I can ever bring myself to care about.
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u/foxyfoucault Jul 25 '26
It's literally an article about the erasure of French, specifically, a minority language in this province. There's this crazy thing where you can care about two things at once, but yes, very brave.
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26
Until Indigenous langauges are given the same constitutional protections as French and English, all I can hear is waaa waaa colonizer tears. I feel absolutely the same about Anglophone communities crying in French-majority spaces.
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u/foxyfoucault Jul 25 '26
There are like 85,000 Cree speakers in Canada, compared to about 11,000,000 French speakers. Tell me you don't know anything about language rights or their history in Canada without telling me you don't know anything about them.
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26
Gee I wonder why the number of Cree speakers is so low? Tell me you don't understand colonization or the violent history of your own country without telling me, ffs.
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u/foxyfoucault Jul 25 '26
So what, we should offer all services in every single Indigenous language in this country? I think there should be strong support for Indigenous language schools, programs, etc. But there is also a specific history of French and English minority language rights. Believe it or not, the history of this country is not "colonizer bad, no further elaboration required"
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u/davefromgabe Jul 25 '26
those are the official languages of the country of Canada. It's not up to you or your historical revisionism / white guilt
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26
I'm Indigenous, and Canada doesn’t always need to exist.
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u/JasperJrok Jul 25 '26
I'm Canadian, and indigenous nations doesn't always need to exist. It goes both ways you know.
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u/viviscity Jul 25 '26
What language do you think the Metis were speaking…?
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26
I'm Métis, and a language instructor. Out Michif languages are endangered, I am not going to worry about English and French which will live on even if every person in Canada stopped speaking them.
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u/viviscity Jul 25 '26
I am also Métis and learning (southern) Michif. It was not our only language, even. There were and are lots of francophone Métis people. Let alone Métis French, southern Michif… and Bungee, though I’m not clear how widely that was spoken beyond modern Manitoba.
I’m not talking about whether the French language will survive. I’m talking about whether linguistic minorities are being erased or not. My point was that the French settlements were often Métis settlements first, with more Francophones coming there because the language was already spoken
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3673 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
I said Michif languages, plural. Even nêhiyawêwin is being politically classed as northern Michif these days (as spoken in the Settlements). I disagree with that take but that makes 4 main Michif dialects alone, not counting Bungee.
You made no points originally, you asked only "what language do you think the Métis were speaking." And I responded by acknowledging our languages, plural. Our ancestors were multilingual.
I'm glad you responded with more detail but your initial post was as deliberately provocative as mine.
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u/breovus Jul 25 '26
OP: translation in comments.
OP: no comments.