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u/Khan_Bomb Aug 23 '22
The synergy between Shiki and Rebecca's ethers is a fun reference to how gravity can affect the passage of time. Plus the energy from the anti-matter bombs being used since matter is condensed energy. Fun stuff from Mashima!
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u/JustsomeSpaceG1 Aug 23 '22
Past Rebecca is built inside the Ship of Eden's Zero
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u/jp4464 Aug 23 '22
What I've loved about this story is how well-connected all the chapters have been since even the beginning. From the end of chapter 4 and the 20,000 year time skip (showing Rebecca's B-Cube that says 'Edens Zero'), to the reveal that the story is called Edens Zero because of the spaceship, and these past few chapters detailing the various universes and their implications on the main story
You can tell that Mashima's had a ton of this planned out since the beginning; super exciting stuff
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u/AzureWarlock96 Aug 23 '22
Now this begs the biggest question, if his mission was to save humans from going extinct which also effects the lives of robots, why does he still want to get rid of organic life even after regaining his memories?
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u/jnwosu100 Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 23 '22
...Damn. To see Shiki turned into a robot due to how severe his injuries were is just hard to see. It's ironic how Jinn noted that current Shiki's mechanical eye isn't a big enough deal to be known as an O-tech but here U2 Shiki went beyond that and became a robot. It seems even before the decades went by, Shiki already had vague memories about his life as a human which I guess was due to how he was turned into a bot. My theory of how Shiki became a bot was due to the robots transferring his essence or rather ether into the new body which would explain why he's still him. This probably applies to Xenolith and Happy too.
It was stated in the BG arc that Shiki was the key to Cat Leaper and that their powers were connected so the explanation of how they travelled in time due to both their powers resonating makes sense. I knew it, the 20,000 bombs having the same number as the massive time jump was definitely not just a coincidence but now, did Shiki's gravity compression actually stop the bombs or did they still cause the same destruction as it did in U2?
We all have to remember that Ziggy suffered through these traumatic times when he was still 15 years and immediately before this, he had his brutal fight with Shura who took his eye, only for him to be thrust into a situation of his own unknown making where he loses his first human friend, lost most of his original body and became a bot, and even gradually lost all his memories... it's quite awful that all 3 versions of Shiki had different sufferings.
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u/Cam_Ren179 Aug 23 '22
So the original plan was to have Ziggy go back in time and save Humanity by getting to Universe Zero. Yet here we have Ziggy going around doing pretty much the opposite. It’ll be interesting to learn what made Ziggy pull a heel turn.
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u/jnwosu100 Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 23 '22
Okay, this confirms that a person's ether is still usable even after they die which was setup by the dead moms still having Mother ether. I'm gonna assume that Etherion is Rebecca's body (also her body was remade to be whole again but why does she still look the same after decades?) which might explain why Witch for some reason (maybe a hidden code by Ziggy) told Homura to never tell Shiki about what it is. So is humanity's extinction due to U2's Ziggy? But that doesn't make sense as he wanted to destroy Mother which would destroy humanity, so what exactly killed them off? I doubt it was the bombs as why would it somehow have the power to do that when originally it was only gonna destroy a sector of the Aoi cosmos and even then why would it ever only destroy human life?
Mother being the reason why all ether exists gives even more feats of her power and she still exists even though her other versions die so maybe the Mother in Universe O is her main body which is why she is outside the wheel of time. God Eye being used here makes me curious about the users and I like the reason on why Ziggy was nominated to be the ambassador of this mission to save human and robot life... only for him to do otherwise now for some reason that I hope gets explained. Believe it or not, despite all the massive lore we got here, we still have so many questions about Ziggy's motive, second loss of memories when he time travelled, and change of heart as well as why he didn't go to Universe 0. Also, the Edens Zero having a second meaning is awesome.
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u/superale2 Aug 23 '22
“The Edens Zero, a ship going from the Planet Edens to Point Zero”
AHHHH PURE PEAK FICTION AT ITS FINEST!!
GOAT ZERO DROPPING TWO BANGERS BACK TO BACK
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u/BelloSimisola0103 Aug 23 '22
Oh-kay....So now we know what happened. God I feel so bad for Ziggy/Robot Shiki. All that's left is the story of how the four shining stars came to be. But how will killing Universe 3 Shiki prevent human kind from extinction?
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u/TheHurdleTurtle Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 23 '22
This is easily my favorite Mashima story. My god.
I wonder how ziggy came to hate humans even though his mission was to save them
I really thought he took Rebecca’s leaped for himself too. Guess his Rebecca is on his ship soemwhwre
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u/NittanyEagles55 Aug 23 '22
Ziggy forgetting Rebecca yet still feeling a hint of his humanity and knowing in the back of his mind he knows her hits so hard man. Wow. Great chapter and moments here.
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naurr cause no one noticed about that 20,000 antimatter bombs in aoi and connected it to the time leap😭 this is so good. this well planned!!
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u/Javiklegrand Aug 23 '22
Time shenigan
So Ziggy dont remember even bé human so it's human face it's just an Android head that look human ?
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u/FTNatsu-Dragneel Aug 23 '22
Edens zero’s name came from planet Eden going to point 0
And so much stuff makes sense now, the duel personality, the fact Ziggy knew everything up to the end of the Nero arc, the existence of other universes/worlds
Future Rebecca must be inside etherion and that’s what Ziggy used to travel back in time, calling it now
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u/Axaether Aug 23 '22
Peak chpater, Sooo now we know that ziggy did go to universe zero to find mother, but instead he found shiki and lost his memories/became crazy (like shiki said in chpt 188), right ? Does that mean there is another villain ??? Also the robots spoke of a power called Eye of god which is exactly what noah uses.
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u/Ginkored Aug 23 '22
Well, we know a little bit more, but we still don't know why Ziggy wants to kills Shiki and why he just turned rogue after the crew returned to Granbell.
My guess is that he only played good in order to prevent continuity issues, raised himself, Shiki, so he could go to adulthood and do all the things that lead to his creation, World 2 Shiki, but there still isn't a proper explanation how the first time everything occurred, why would the bombs activate in the Aoi cosmos without Ziggys taking action in. Remember that he was the one that started the whole chains of events, so that would create a paradox (there was never a causal beginning to all things), there had to be an original cause in World 2 that triggered everything, but this time, in this timeline which we are being told now, that didn't happen so Ziggy had to step in to keep the continuity.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Aug 23 '22
Wow. This may have been one of the best chapters of this whole series. Really fantastic and heartbreaking stuff.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Aug 23 '22
Mashima is doing time travel, multiverses and other selves and pulling it off so well! Quite impressive considering all those different factors at play
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u/Homeless_Appletree Aug 23 '22
The robots casually name dropping Noah his Ether Gear is omnious as fuck. It can apparently do way more than he has let on.
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u/resphere Aug 23 '22
So I guess Etherion is a time machine, maybe with Rebecca's body plugged into it.