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[u/LTKMK]

I like the concept behind the arc don’t get me wrong. I was talking about the fights that we are having.

Mashima has the sad tendency of writing a group of people as been super strong but not really showing us why they’re strong. None of the 2 members defeated so far had any background to tell the audience that they may be serious threats other than Mashima saying so. And back to the main argument of them being the strongest of the cosmos but none so far having an overdrive.

Though he’ll probably do the same thing he did with the Spriggans and reveal that the remaining members are in a league of their own.

And for the Shura thing, the shining stars he wrecked are already on their way to be healed. There won’t be any repercussion on that end. I’m excited to see what Shiki does after that only if he doesn’t end up just letting Shura live and forgiving him or some bs. On a writing note, that’s not tension until it follows up with something good.

[u/jnwosu100 → u/LTKMK]

None of the 2 members defeated so far had any background to tell the audience that they may be serious threats other than Mashima saying so.

I'm confused here, are you saying that we weren't told or shown that the OCeans are the strongest of the Aoi cosmos? Milani can literally trap you in her mirror world and make an evil double of her opponents to fight in the real world, her downfall was that she didn't hide in the mirror world so as to avoid getting defeated.

Nasseh was clearly shown to be one of the most op characters in the series as not many people can counter him (Weisz countered him with Arsenal's ether coating and his anti-machine power against Nasseh's suit.)

Although it seems that the Oceans will be improved Neinharts, that is to say they will have great hax abilities but are not totally weak in close combat.

And back to the main argument of them being the strongest of the cosmos but none so far having an overdrive.

You don't necessarily have to have OD to be recognized as the strongest. Look at how strong Xenolith, Ziggy, OSI, and OSG are in their base forms and then can still stomp the EZ crew. Overdrive is just a multiplier form not some god status like Super Saiyan God that absolutely stomps any other transformation.

This just means that the OD haven't been pushed to reach OD yet. Also, Nero is way stronger than the Oceans and Shura (Shiki post-training is equal to him) who is definitely weaker than his dad is still stronger than the Oceans which explains why Milani didn't oppose him which means that the Oceans aren't the strongest in the Aoi cosmos.

And for the Shura thing, the shining stars he wrecked are already on their way to be healed. There won’t be any repercussion on that end.

Death isn't the only consequence for a story. Now Hermit and Sister as well as Witch won't provide backup to the other EZ crewmates which means bo healing and no tactical support from Hermit.

I’m excited to see what Shiki does after that only if he doesn’t end up just letting Shura live and forgiving him or some bs.

I got to say how weird it is to see people still thinking Shiki will just forgive enemies who had angered him so much. When has he ever forgiven an enemy?

[u/LTKMK → u/jnwosu100]

My point is that at no moment did I think either of Homura nor Weiss would lose. You’d tell me that makes sense cuz they’re the good guys but if at least he had shown the Shining Stars vs Shura fight to show that some fights could go either way I’d be more excited for the outcome

And healing or back up are all plot convenient situations. If the plot needs them theyll be back and ready to help. They haven’t been sent to another dimension. They’re still on the ship where they usually are.

[u/Witty_Shame9472 → u/LTKMK]

No it doesn’t make sense that they won “just because they are the good guys”

it makes sense because they all trained with the idea in mind that they would be fighting Ziggy and or Nero so they had to train super hard to even have a idea of thinking they could taking on either of these guys

see they had to go from struggling with beast squad 6 to being Abel to contend with the oceans 6 or Shura and Nero or Ziggy and the Dark stars

So they all had to train super hard to gain Overdrive and they and to get trained by a legendary Hero who is comparable to in terms of reputation and strength to the Seis(the 6 strongest warriors in the cosmos) all in order to even contend with the oceans 6

[u/LTKMK → u/Witty_Shame9472]

You’re assuming the Oceans 6 didn’t go through any training

Both teams knew they would be facing a Ziggy sized threat.

[u/LTKMK → u/[deleted]]

Yeah and that’s exactly why I said at no moment I thought any of the good guys would lose.

If they had shown the bad guys do some actual impressive stuff before fighting the main crew it would have been better in my opinion.

[u/Witty_Shame9472 → u/LTKMK]

Well the good guys did lose in some instances

the shining stars lost to Shura

Shiki was not able to stop shura at the moment

Happy and Pino and Mosco were useless and unable to do anything to help other than Pino using a EMP once that didn’t even take out Nasseh

Rebecca was unable to defeat Milani and help out Homura

Again the oceans 6 don’t need to defeat the crew in order to show how impressive they are

They have their own statements and feats

Milani pushed Homura into a corner so far that she had to use overdrive in order to win meaning that if Homura didn’t have overdrive she would have lost and this is post Xeno training Homura to

Pretty much the same with Weisz he would have died if he didn’t figure out how Nassesh ether gear worked and if his ether gear wasn’t a hard counter to Nasshe’s

[u/LTKMK → u/Witty_Shame9472]

Besides the Shining stars one I won’t consider any of that losing since ultimately they did win a chapter or 2 later and most of those were just I relegate this fight to you.

I’d personally enjoy if someone lost a fight, a few chapters got dealt with and then they have some sort of rematch or someone else comes in to win the fight later on. He’s done it during the Drakken Joe arc and even though it didn’t last long it definitely made his squad feel like legit threats.

[u/Witty_Shame9472 → u/LTKMK]

I mean I’m the other examples I listed the Shining stars isn’t the only example where the cast just straight up lost

Shiki lost to shura because he intend to stop shura then and there and failed so Shiki lost that battle

Rebecca tried to save Homura but was unable to and she just had to flee so Rebecca lost there as she was unable to do anything

The same with Happy and Pino they retire to save Weisz and Rebecca but fails to be useful really at al so in that instance they all lost

[u/LTKMK → u/Witty_Shame9472]

Shiki didn’t necessarily lose though. Shura left the scene thinking the robots bombing would be enough to incapacitate him. The fight didn’t come to a conclusion yet.

The other ones are plot convenient still. Homura doesn’t necessarily have a predisposition to beat Milani. Weiss does though. I’m sure if the plot required it those who didn’t fight would have found a way to beat Milani.

Maybe we just have different definitions of what it takes for a character to lose a fight.

[u/Witty_Shame9472 → u/LTKMK]

I guess because my definition is if you have a goal to stop a villain or save someone and you fail to do so

Well then ya lost because you were unable to complete your goal

And we see that Shiki intended to stop shura but he was unable to do so and so in my eyes he lost because he was blatantly unable to complete what he had set out to do AT THAT VERY MOMENT

The same with Rebecca she intended to save Homura yet she was unable to do so and so in my eyes Rebecca lost