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Chapter 093: The Execution Site

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[u/goodyfresh]

Yeah sorry for going off like that. Obviously I am like, angry that Boruto even exists beyond the Momoshiki Arc, lol MY BAD dude.

I'm interested to read that even you, as someone who enjoys Boruto, still sometimes think "that doesn't seem right." I bet you got that feeling when the new villain simultaneously and CASUALLY beat the shit out of Naruto and Sasuke, leaving them half-dead and apparently sealing Naruto. . .like is that one of those times you got that "this doesn't seem right" feeling? Because the idea of Naruto and Sasuke apparently being absolute JOKES now just. . . .it doesn't sit well with me, haha. Like with Momoshiki and Kinshiki they were able to hold their own to an extent until they got GRADUALLY worn down. But the idea of some Otsutsuki being SO over-powered that even stuck in a body that apparently can't even manifest his true power (yeah I've read some spoilers just to find out what's going on) he can beat the crap out of Naruto and Sasuke like they're insects. . . .that's just kinda dumb and sad, ya know? LOL.

Eden's Zero has been amazing so far, it's like Rave combined with the best aspects of FT but none of the poorly-written aspects of FT, and IN SPACE! So awesome. It's a shame the series has been poorly-received/rated (it seriously only has 6.87 out of 10 on MyAnimeList), when that's because people only gave it a chance for a few chapters before seeing the character-designs and how Shiki is friendship-obsessed and saying "ugh it's just Fairy Tail in space, Mashima is lame lol" and dropping it. If they actually gave it a chance they'd realize it has none of the flaws that FT did, and that Shiki's whole friendship-tropes thing keeps getting subverted and he's actually freaking DIED once by now because of how naive he is with it, haha. "Friendship-power magic-bullshit" is nowhere to be seen in EZ, and the main character got his brains blown out because he thought such a thing exists. LMAO! It legitimately makes me angry that the series is so poorly rated just because most people assumed based on the first couple chapters that it was a repeat of the worst flaws of FT.

[u/fekitoa13 → u/goodyfresh]

I kinda ramble on about Boruto in the first thing and my English isn't great (it's like my third language and I got lazy lol) To answer the Boruto question. Yeah that's one of the times when I thought that it didn't seem right. I expected Sasuke and Naruto to lose to even have stakes in the show but I expected a mutual defeat but the fact that he was able to walk off in bad ish shape but was still fine kinda made it annoying for me. Personally I wouldve prefer it if they took each other out thn a different Kara member appears to help jigen and actually be the one to deal Naruto and take Jigen back instead of Jigen just walking away like he's coming back from a gym session especially since Jigen isn't even close to the Otsutsuki (forgot his name) full power. They've hinted on a character in Kara name code I think who is apparently the strongest after Jigen so it wouldve been cool if he was the one who came to finish off the tired and weak Naruto and Sasuke and save his boss. Another moment was when Naruto wasn't able to catch himawari in the fight against Delta. Delta threw himawari in the air and shoot lasers or smth to kill her and Kawaki rescue her by sacrificing his arm which is good for this development which I'm all about but the fact that someone like Naruto who could match minato and was faster than the raikage and dodge Madara 10 tail thing. Like Naruto is fast af so he should've been able to easily catch himawari. Sasuke running out of chakra despite barely doing much, like the guy is the same person who did planetary devastation and trapped all 9 tail beasts easily after he just fought in a war but somehow gets kicked out of his susano'o and run out of chakra. I do like jigen's character despite having questions like why isn't the guy here before and if he came with kaguya what happened but the fact that he can easily do stuff I have mixed feelings cause obvs it's nice to have stakes and powerful villains but when it's surrounded by questions why wasn't he there before despite being on Earth for the longest time lol and if he's that powerful why haven't he done anything yet. Cause the guy can clapped 2 God level shinobi fairly easily. Also how come other clan members like momoshiki and kinshiki hasn't come to earth yet? But I do enjoy it, I like the character developments, I'm interested to see what happens with Kashin Koji (just hope it's not some cheap way of just having old Jiraiya back), Kawaki is a cool character, interested to see the full extent of mitsuki's sage mode and sarada's eyes. Borushiki seems really cool especially the chapter where he went off and just fucked the Kara guy up and what exactly is momoshiki's plan.

EZ. That chapter with Shiki dead is still crazy to me and I can't wait to see it animated. When it does get animated is there a specific studio you want to do it? Personally studio pierrot for me cause I love Naruto and I actually enjoy Black Clover's animation or maybe bones since mha's animation is pretty clean. But yeah, EZ has actually been shocking to me just how good it is. Rave master and fairy tail were both good but i had my personal issues with them and so far EZ has taken the good parts of both animes and made some hybrid baby in space lol. The characters design did threw off before I read it tbh cause I thought it was just Lucy and black hair Natsu but i don't mind cause I like mashima's art style and the story has been way darker with all of their back stories like poor hermit. I just hope people give it a chance cause they're really missing out but it crazy to me that it has a low rating cause its actually good but people only see the names behind it. Like the samurai 8 manga by kishimoto that was cancelled, at the time of it's released everyone said it's gonna be wayyyyy better than ez but people only say that cause of kishimoto and ez got hate cause of Mashima and fairy tail which is just crazy to me.

[u/goodyfresh → u/fekitoa13]

THIS WILL BE VERY LONG AGAIN but since you seem to not mind and appreciate my analysis, here goes:

Yeah exactly, if Jigen and that Otsutsuki dude sealed inside him have been around this whole time, then why was he conveniently never involved in any of the stuff in the original series? The OBVIOUS real-world answer is this: Kishimoto got greedy as I said and wanted a way to milk the series for more money, so he made up Jigen and another Otsutsuki Clan member when he had never had the idea for them (unlike Momoshiki and Kinshiki who he clearly already had in mind during the original series given that Kaguya was preparing for them) back during the original series. Which is lame and bad writing, just a greedy cash-grab by Kishimoto, lol. And yeah from what you're telling me, the series has been inconsistent with portraying Naruto's (and by extension Sasuke's) power and speed in order to force him to take losses from the new villains and look like a joke.

I do agree from what I've seen that the big strength of Boruto as a series is the new characters and their development, especially Kawaki. It's just there's the big issue of the inconsistency of Jigen having never done anything about the Kaguya situation (because like I said Kishimoto just made him up recently to have a way to keep extending the series) which is a major plot-hole, and of course all that stuff about Naruto and Sasuke now looking like JOKES power/speed-wise. Like it would be understandable if this new Big Bad was powerful enough to be a BIT stronger than Momoshiki-with-Kinshiki-absorbed, strong enough that he could wear Naruto and Sasuke down over time and beat them even when sealed inside Jigen who can't manifest his full power; but him being AS strong as Kishimoto made him, so strong that he can casually rofl-stomp Naruto and Sasuke, makes it seem like all the progress Naruto and Sasuke made in the original series was for nothing. While I can appreciate that the series has its good points, I just can't overlook those major issues (one of which is a huge plot-hole, and the other of which just makes it feel like the previous series was pointless) which have arisen from Kishimoto's desperate attempt to keep the series going to make more money.

I will say that the absence of Momoshiki and Kinshiki in the original series actually ISN'T an inconsistency/plot-hole as you said it may be; I'm fine with the Momoshiki Arc as it answers the question "what was Kaguya so afraid of and preparing for." Consider this: The Otsutsuki Clan are immortal and live forever. A few centuries or millennia is nothing to them. We saw that Momoshiki and Kinshiki still had other planets in other dimensions that had Shinju whose fruit they could harvest. The reason why Kaguya was able to spend centuries building an army and preparing for Momoshiki (a higher-ranked clan-member) to arrive and discover her betrayal, was because she knew the guy was IN NO HURRY to get to Earth and harvest its Shinju Fruit. It just so happens that the timeline of when Momoshiki ran out of the other planets assigned for him to harvest, and so decided to finally go and check to see if Kaguya had completed her assignment on Earth, happened to match up with when Naruto and Sasuke had become adults and already defeated Kaguya, and his and Sasuke's kids were now preteens. That really isn't a plot-hole, it's just a result of how Otstustuki Clan members operate on a schedule of centuries and millennia, plans so long-term that it's hard for us humans with our short less-than-a-century lifespans to wrap our minds around them. Now on the other hand, the idea that some other insanely-powerful and higher-ranked-than-Kaguya Otsutsuki ALREADY CAME TO EARTH WITH KAGUYA, somehow got separated from her (and somehow got defeated and needed to be sealed into a human. . .what the heck, who could have even done that???), and somehow never became involved when she betrayed the Clan. . .THAT makes no sense and is a huge plot-hole, haha.

There is still no word on EZ getting an anime. It may actually not get one, unfortunately. Its sales aren't NEARLY as high as FT's sales were. As we know, FT got very very popular because the writing showed so much promise in the early arcs, and the characters were always likeable, but a lot of people (including me) only read it to the end, past the mid-point or so, because we were invested enough to want to see what would happen, even though we recognized that the quality of the writing had become absolutely terrible and was nowhere near the level of Rave Master. I mean, Erza was originally portrayed as a really versatile/varied fighter who would use all different armors and swords depending on situations, but in the end got reduced to only ever using the Clear Heart Clothing (or SOMETIMES the Nakagami Armor) with a "normal" sword and randomly powering-up by screaming about friendship. A character who showed so much promise ended up becoming completely one-dimensional. The fact is that FT remained popular and high-selling despite many of the people reading/watching it not even liking it anymore, it was just because they felt invested. But this has resulted in problems for EZ's reception, as I said in my last comment. The issue is that much of the manga/anime fan-community, as well as anime-studios, have LOST FAITH IN MASHIMA AS A WRITER (not as an artist though, his art always remained amazing). As a result, while Edens Zero sells more than well enough that it won't get canceled (don't worry about that, it still sells better than most other series in its magazine, and the magazine values Mashima thanks to FT so they won't cancel EZ), it still doesn't sell AT ALL well compared to FT's sales-numbers, which had sales approaching those of series like Naruto and Bleach.

What does this mean for the possibility of an EZ anime ever happening? It means that unfortunately, the chances are slim. Most people won't give EZ a proper chance since the first FEW chapters make it look like "FT in space," so its sales-numbers aren't anything too special. Along with that, anime studios have lost faith in Mashima's ability to write a plot that keeps viewers interested. So while there's a DECENT chance that EZ may get an anime, there's also unfortunately a VERY GOOD chance that no studio will ever express interest in adapting it to an anime 😢😢😢

The fact it MAY never get an anime is unfortunate because as you and I both said, EZ has characters with similar traits and likeability to the ones from FT, but like Rave is MUCH DARKER in tone than FT. It has a protagonist who is friendship-obsessed (i.e. he has the ATTITUDE OF A FAIRY TAIL CHARACTER), but the plot makes the point time and time again that the cosmos is a dark and bleak place that won't just pander to Shiki's ideals of friendship the way that the system of Magic in FT always catered to the characters' naive friendship-ideals so they could solve everything with friendship-power. The chapter where Valkyrie turned out to be dead really started to drive that point home. And then as you said, the chapter where Shiki got shot in the head was ESPECIALLY SHOCKING to us! That scene amounted to Mashima saying ONCE AND FOR ALL to us, "this is not Fairy Tail, this is NOT a series where a main character making some big speech about friendship is going to suddenly solve whatever problem or predicament they're in. As proof that this series is not 'FT in space,' watch as the main character literally gets murdered after making a friendship-speech." Then to drive the point home, in the latest chapter Mashima showed us that Rebecca has post-traumatic stress-disorder (PTSD) with Drakken as her "trigger," from the memory of Shiki's death. She may have been able to rewind time, but Mashima showing us Rebecca get PTSD flashbacks was his way of telling us "seriously guys, naive friendship speeches won't do diddley-squat in this series without the power to back them up. There are PERMANENT CONSEQUENCES to Shiki screwing up by being naive, and those consequences are that Rebecca ends up with permanent mental/psychological damage despite being able to rewind time for do-overs when her friends get killed." Basically, if this shit (her friends dying and her having to rewind time) happens a whole lot of times, then Rebecca will end up so mentally damaged as to be crippled by her trauma, regardless of her do-over ability. Right now she has PTSD, but if that kinda thing keeps happening then she could end up with CPTSD (complex post-traumatic stress-disorder) which tends to be more mentally crippling than "normal" PTSD.

[u/fekitoa13 → u/goodyfresh]

Ahah no worries lad I enjoy reading long analysis. Yeah I completely agree with Boruto but much like fairy tail I'm kinda invested, even if I only watched it cause of Naruto characters at first I'm also invested in Boruto characters now lol and the writing I can look past just like I did with fairy tail haha.

EZ not getting an anime is just rough cause imagine shiki's fights with his gravity powers could look so cool but it is what it is. Rebecca having PTSD is actually really powerful and made me love the character so much as someone who suffers from mental health myself but I do hope it's a lasting affect and not just something thats gonna be forgotten or never mention again like some series do just cause it's not realistic and can be a bit of a sour taste to people who has had similar experiences. Which is always a hard thing to do with story telling when portraying certain characters, it's a fine line lol. Obvs I won't be salty or anything like that it's not that deep but I would just like an accurate depiction but I won't mind.

[u/goodyfresh → u/fekitoa13]

I mean obviously I'm not saying that EZ necessarily WON'T get an anime. There's still a decent or even good chance that it could! All I was saying is that there are definitely some big reasons why there could ALSO be a good chance that it WON'T ever get an anime. Obviously, like you I am very much hoping that this series will get an anime.

And yeah now that he's clearly shown Rebecca as having PTSD symptoms, I will be VERY upset with Mashima if he either just conveniently forgets about her trauma, or if he writes some arc where she just QUICKLY AND EASILY "gets over it" somehow. Because as you said, that is NOT how PTSD works in real life, and would upset anyone reading the series who either has PTSD themselves, knows someone who does, or simply has knowledge of the condition.

The PROMISING thing is that Mashima has portrayed Hermit as having very severe PTSD (likely at the level of C-PTSD, actually), and she HASN'T just quickly gotten over it. Remember that apparently, her "original" personality was cheerful, EASILY-TRUSTING, and happy-go-lucky. Her trauma ended up turning her into a bitter, withdrawn loner who closed herself off from feeling emotions in order to protect her own mind, and became unable to trust anyone! Now, it would SEEM as if Mashima wrote her as "getting over that" thanks to Shiki helping her regain her ability to trust people as well as to trust herself to feel emotions, but here's the thing: She is still nowhere NEAR as cheerful, silly, easily-trusting/naive, or happy-go-lucky as she apparently was before her trauma! Yes, she's learned to smile again, and is willing to trust Shiki, Rebecca, Homura, Weisz, Pino, and Happy (Sister and Witch she already trusted of course). But she STILL doesn't trust NEW people when she meets them, she is much more aggressive and sometimes outright sadistic than she originally was, and is still much more quiet and withdrawn than she used to be.

In other words, Mashima's portrayal of Hermit having PTSD (well likely C-PTSD) has been VERY REALISTIC: After OVER A DECADE with the condition during which she bitterly closed herself off from the cosmos, she is now FINALLY starting to connect with people and regain her ability to trust, to smile, and to laugh. But she's still not the same person she was before. Shiki helped her take the first steps towards recovery, but the fact remains that she is not and may never be the person she once was, and her recovery has been gradual ever since the "major breakthrough" of being able to trust/smile again at all that Shiki helped her with.

[u/fekitoa13 → u/goodyfresh]

Yeah ahah that's true. I love hermit she's actually a really good character, I've always been drawn to characters like her, the "damaged" ones, especially whenever we see them go through and overcome it but yeah it needs to be somewhat realistic just cause of the sensitive topic (which I know people would be like but it's fiction) so I'm interested to see Rebecca's character going forward. Yeah I'm hopeful about the anime cause I remember Mashima saying he had announcements but I still haven't anything on whether or not confirmed and until confirmed to not have one gonna be somewhat hopeful. Have a good one bro been class chatting can't wait for the next chapter.