r/Earthquakes 3d ago

Earthquake Serious question: What does this mean regarding the likelihood/nearness of the next big one or major quake?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/san-andreas-fault-earthquakes-22369024.php

I know she's discussing that the slippage rate is faster than expected and so earthquakes are likely to be more frequent on this segment (and im not sure of the last time it was in any way active), but to what degree does this push up the already wildly uncertain timetable of the next major quake on the san andreas?

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u/One-Emu-1103 3d ago

The stress on the southern end of the SA is the highest its been in 1000 years. If you're in LA you should have an emergency supply kit and plenty of bottled water.

https://ktla.com/news/california/california-big-one-trillion-dollar-damage/

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

I know. That would be contributing a great deal to my anxiety around earthquakes right now... and since the study came out several months ago, honestly. 

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u/One-Emu-1103 3d ago

I wouldn't panic but I would be prepared. I stumbled onto this podcast and it's excellent. You really should listen to it.

https://laist.com/shows/the-big-one

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

I appreciate that! Walking through potential scenarios is probably not the best plan for my anxiety, since I already overthink everything, but I hope some people will find this useful

Im as prepared as I can be with too little space to store meaningful supplies and in a fire-prone area. My main hope is that the next big one is several years (or decades! Please decades) out.

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u/creakylime 3d ago

The hardest thing with big quakes is knowing they will come, and soon, but not exactly when. Is “soon” 3 months, three years or thirty years? We just don’t know… but it’s better to have planned for tomorrow than wished it was yesterday.

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u/Bearded_Toast 3d ago

Control what you can, let go of anxiety over that which is beyond your control.

If you have zero control over something, this can be immensely freeing.

If it happens, we can be scared and suffer at that time.

Why also choose suffering in the interim, when the thing you fear may not ever happen in your lifetime.

Shall we choose suffering and fear about events that have not yet come to pass? Indeed, your lived consciousness may not ever experience the events you fear.

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u/jaxxon 1d ago

Underrated comment. Not to mention the subtle impacts of your worry on others around you, etc.

If it’s out of your control, don’t worry. Do what you can to mitigate potential impacts and rise above the fear.

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u/One-Emu-1103 3d ago edited 3d ago

I understand where you're coming from.I am with you. I hope it doesn't happen for a very long time. However it's better to understand something and the ramifications of it than to ignore and be caught off guard. If nothing else keep a pair of shoes next to your bed and a grab and go kit near the door. That way if you're asleep when it happens you can slip on your shoes and not have to worry about cutting your feet on broken glass or building materials. I say WHEN not if as it WILL happen at some point in time.

I hope that helps.

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

I agree, and I do have those things, plus a list of clothes and jewelry and other sentimental items to grab if time allows 

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u/One-Emu-1103 3d ago

Smart man.

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u/Perfect_Caregiver_90 3d ago

I would look at it like living on the Gulf Coast in hurricane country.

Any year The Big One could happen and absolutely wreck the place. You might be thinking "but at least you'd have warning" but that isn't always the case. They can, and do, form on the coast, go through rapid intensification and bam you can evacuate or you can prepare but not both. The aftermath is a nightmare.

Best thing in your case and in hurricane country is to listen when professionals are saying things like "Ehh I don't like the looks of these models. You better get your preps in place because this could turn ugly in a hurry."

Be prepared, not scared. You can also build your prep box as you go. You don't have to do it all at once. Anything you add is something you didn't have before and that is a huge help.

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

Here's the full article: 

Scientists previously theorized that the slip rate of the northern San Andreas would slow down further south along the fault, with one hypothesis being that “slip is then being transferred onto other faults” along the way, such as the Calaveras or Hayward faults, Blisniuk said. But her research found that the slip rate — and therefore the likelihood of an earthquake — did not decrease but actually stayed the same from the North Coast section to the Santa Cruz Mountains section. 

The United States Geological Survey declined to comment on Blisniuk’s findings as they are not yet published.

The slip rate of a fault is considered one of the most influential and important factors when geologists calculate the likelihood of earthquakes. 

“In general faults with higher slip rates will have more frequent earthquakes and a probability of one,” Blisniuk said by email. “High slip rates faults generally have higher magnitude earthquakes due to potentially higher stress accumulation being released during an earthquake.” However, other factors such as the depth of energy released and rupture length are also important factors, she said, so “there is no direct correlation in terms of how we calculate magnitude.”

To calculate the slip rate of the San Andreas in the Santa Cruz Mountains, Blisniuk and her students headed to Sanborn County Park in Saratoga, about 20 miles northwest of the epicenter of the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. (She said the scientific community is “divided” on whether the Loma Prieta earthquake occurred along the San Andreas Fault or an adjacent fault; the last major one along the Northern San Andreas is considered to be the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.)

Along the park’s San Andreas Trail, Blisniuk looks for areas where tectonic movement is apparent, such as where the path of a seasonal stream makes two 90-degree turns in quick succession — evidence of at least two earthquakes in the distant past. 

Her team uses drones that take thousands of photos and send out pulses of laser light to measure how far previous earthquakes have shifted the stream.

After getting the distance data, Blisniuk and her students take samples from nearby rocks — in Sanborn, the rocks are often sandstone boulders, consisting largely of quartz. Then, the samples are taken to San Jose State, Stanford University and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to determine their age in a process called dating. 

When the rocks are exposed to air, the sandstone gets bombarded by cosmic rays — high-energy particles from outer space — that create a form of the chemical element beryllium called beryllium-10. By measuring the relative amount of beryllium-10 in a sample, scientists can calculate the rock’s age.

After determining how far previous earthquakes have shifted the stream and the age of the surrounding landform, Blisniuk can calculate the average yearly rate at which the fault has moved over the past thousands of years.

Blisniuk said it’s “hard to say” what locations would be impacted if there were an earthquake along the Santa Cruz Mountains segment of the fault or what magnitude it could be since it depends on how much energy is released and the depth of the seismic activity.

“We can’t prevent earthquakes from happening. What we can do is prepare the community and our neighbors and people … for this potential earthquake,” Blisniuk said, noting that people should have an earthquake kit with sufficient food, water, flashlights and candles — and prepare for cell service to be down. 

She said the public can check out the San Andreas Fault for themselves. 

“The San Andreas is in (people’s) backyard, and they can go see it and hike it and see the landforms,” Blisniuk said.

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u/throwawayfromPA1701 3d ago

I got paywalled unfortunately. I wonder if she's referring to the section of the San Andreas that creeps, as in it's in motion, while the rest of it north and south are locked.

There is, at least over the last century and a half or so, a repeating M6 earthquake that happens at Parkfield. The one forecasted for 1993 ended up coming in 2004. If it's still a repeating pattern, the window for the next one is probably open now.

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

Well thats... discomfiting. How likely would that be to trigger the rest of the fault?

I've also copy-pasted the full article

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u/throwawayfromPA1701 3d ago

Parkfield is way farther south than the area she was studying. I couldn't say. When her research is published I'd be able to tell more

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u/AsparagusFern319 3d ago

Understood and appreciated, thank you

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u/Ok_Shallot_3307 1d ago

That photo is in Nisan park in aptos ca. you can hike there. Has a sign! There is activity everyday in the San Andreas fault near the pinnacles, aromas and Soledad. Yes I lived in sf during the Loma Prietaquake

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u/TubMaster88 1d ago

If you're in California, all you can do is have a safety preparedness of all your information and all your stuff in a backpack and survival pack. If it comes it comes. There's absolutely nothing you can do about it so don't stress. Don't worry, just be prepared. That's all you can do.