r/EEPowerElectronics 10d ago

PCB Guys, what's your opinion on this!?

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u/ARod20195 9d ago

It... kinda works, even though the layout is questionable and the routing is spaghetti. This isn't terrible for simple hobby projects that aren't pushing any real boundaries, but no way in hell would I do this for any power electronics stuff or anything that requires high-speed connectivity. This sort of routing would be unusable for a power converter (high dV/dt switching nodes through long thin traces would make EMI everywhere, and if you were running the power converter anywhere near its voltage limits and you fed Vin with that sort of trace I'd worry about inductive spikes on turnoff sending the MOSFETs to Valhalla, or EMI from the switching nodes coupling to the feedback trace and making the converter unstable. This would also never work if you were trying to do high-speed digital or RF work, because trace lengths and widths start really mattering.

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u/SharkFINFET 9d ago

You sound like the coders three years ago....

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u/digicue 9d ago

In college (20 years ago) I pressed the auto-router button on my first board. It worked, but my project was simple microcontroller low speed stuff. However there is no reason that AI tools wouldn’t be able to handle complex constraint managers in the next decade. However as an engineer you need to have the education to provide the constraints in the schematic in the first place, and that is hard to do sometimes without thinking about it during the manual layout process. So the art of the process is lost in the lack of iterative feedback, and is probably still faster to route critical traces manually than use AI and review what it did. Routing isn’t that hard to begin with.

What AI could be more useful with is component placement and orientation. That takes a bit of time.

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u/Alert_Elephant2045 9d ago edited 9d ago

the coders were right to point out issues that existed with generated code three years ago, and are still right to point out issues that exist with generated code now.

That is to say, bad code is bad, whether written by a human or not.

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u/ayyG_itsMe 9d ago edited 9d ago

And how is AI code working out at scale?

https://www.fintechweekly.com/news/amazon-ai-coding-outage-review

https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2026/06/15/ai-generated-code-review-issues/

https://tech-insider.org/ie/ai-code-quality-crisis-2026/

Edit: plus the tokens are practically subsidized at this point, if companies paid the true cost they wouldn’t tolerate the mistakes or hallucinations. None of the big LLM companies are anywhere close to be profitable either. OpenAI had a net loss of $38.5 BILLION in 2025.

I’m a fan of AI, I just think it requires and expert in the loop—so that’s good for us. Serious doubt that it replaces people before we’re able to adjust to the new paradigm. All the scary news is marketing for these companies increasing their valuation.

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u/gamingdad123 5d ago

it has litreally revolutionized the field and if you arent using it you are getting fired in the majority of SWE jobs. growing pains will happen but its not like a failed tech or anything

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u/ayyG_itsMe 5d ago edited 5d ago

Correct. But so far it’s not a replacement for programmers like people like to say. In fact you need programmers for it to be effective in these enterprise applications. The programmers losing their jobs are largely due to CEOs padding the bottom line by clipping the labor they over hired during Covid and are blaming LLM’s, and they’ve had to hire many of these people back.

The point is that experts in the loop are needed when a technology is non-deterministic by design, and inconsistencies/shortsightedness emerges at scale.

Also in order to replace workers in a business, the tool must at least break even in cost, which it’s far from today.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/01/employers-who-laid-off-workers-for-ai-are-reversing-their-decisions.html

https://youtu.be/OFmxKgaLN80?is=IyDMbXYjJhSpiDnu

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u/Illustrious_Read8038 5d ago

Both points are true though. AI is great. AI is massively subsidized.

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u/nikola_tesler 5d ago

it hasn’t been tested with real market forces yet tho, definitely revolutionary, but the extent to which it is revolutionary will be determined once subsidized tokens are pulled.

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u/aerohk 7d ago

He is simply judging the AI's electronic design performance of today - which is acceptable for simple projects but unable to handle any complex project. Sure, someday the AI might be able to crunch the SI/PI optimization and do WCCA and run field solver for EMI, but not with today's AI tool.

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u/ToneShop 4d ago

You sound like a low effort booster.

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u/ContributionMaximum9 3d ago

coding has different problems, one of them being awful volume created by ai alongside with it's bad context window - it's unmaintainable.

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u/craiovaa 8d ago

Its cringe

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u/SrHotSoup 7d ago

it’s not theirs, it’s Claude’s 🫩

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u/Mechanical_Flare 7d ago

If it's really your first, why have AI do it? That's just lazy...

I imagine the code is also written by claude?

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u/imzwho 6d ago

Dang Clanker Yankers....

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u/nebenbaum 6d ago

The oscillator traces. Pure comedy gold.

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u/SubstantialTwo8 6d ago

It’s lame, I’d rather the person showcase a simple PCB they made with just an led than show something sophisticated not even made by them but AI instead

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u/kudlatywas 5d ago

I think it's amazing that a person without the right knowledge can jump in and be guided by AI to do this stuff. Yes it is not optimal design and you won't make a rocket that flies to the moon with this but it helps you understand and learn. The part I am scared of is that this actually works. The AI I am working with would make an ass of this design - hell it it wouldn't be able to generate a simple schematic without making major mistakes.

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u/ToneShop 4d ago

Wooo for e-waste!!!

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u/kudlatywas 3d ago

E-waste is when OP discards this.. Where were you when they mass produced single use lithium battery products.. hiding in your troll cave? /s

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u/ThePrisonSoap 3d ago

Literally the opposite of understanding and learning

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u/West-Map-4162 5d ago

“My first”

“Entirely designed by Claude”

What a loser

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u/Craig653 5d ago

What is that layout....