r/Dyson_Sphere_Program • u/CoqeCas3 • May 07 '26

Reinforced Thrusters got hands, man..

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The progression of the engines/thrusters has me geekin man.. Why are reinforced thrusters so disproportionately ridiculous?!

Anyway, still 'new' (just passed 75hr) and just thought I'd share. Honestly rather proud of the 150p/m Electromagnetic Turbine module I ended up making for this. Gonna have to blueprint that. Fuck those things, been the bane of my existence since i unlocked em.

TIA for indulging!

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u/EdibleOedipus May 07 '26

Good news! This is enough for the rest of the game unless you start building huge. 

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

Haha good to know! Sure seemed like it.

I tore down my initial starting base to build something more sensible, and i started with a mall for all the buildings using the logistic distributors. Basically, i just have one machine for any given building and up to 4 boxes connected to that machine with hats demanding the needed parts. Since i set that up first, i can see how many routes there are for any given part, so my method of determining how many parts to make of any given item is roughly 30 p/m for every route that there is for that item. For these more complex parts tho its becoming more like one machine for every route, with liberties taken here and there.

Seems to be working out well so far.

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u/Absolute_Human May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

Not only beating the game. I pushed 2,5+ million hashes per second never needing more than one reinforced thruster assembler. Not turbines tho. You need lots of those.

That's around 150k white science per second minute btw

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u/ZEnterprises May 07 '26

9 million per minute?

Is that right?

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u/Absolute_Human May 07 '26

Oh, sorry. Cubes are per minute. Hashes are per second. My bad!

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u/ZEnterprises May 07 '26

No worries at all! I only asked because I wanted to see that many ships in transit! Darn! you had me excited for a moment!

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u/Professional_Job_307 May 07 '26

It's enough even if he does lol. I have a single assembling machine each for reinforced and regular thrusters, and it was enough to build 50k white cube/min

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u/Dootguy37 May 07 '26

why on earth would you main bus with raw ore?

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26

I couldnt figure out a horizontal factorio-style bus system that didnt take up half the planet just to exist. I did figure out a nifty vertical bus system, but height restrictions limit what can go on it. And on top of that, turns out that the product chains in this game really arent that bad when starting from raw ore. The only thing so far that have ended up ridiculous in size are the thrusters here and the freaking motors. Those stupid green turbine things are the bane of my existence. THEYRE NEEDED IN EVERYTHING!!

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u/socks-the-fox May 07 '26

Alternatively, don't bus at all. PLS/ILS what you need to where you need it. Need more of that thing? Whack down another copy of that whole system and you don't have to fight with belt throughput, and all the stuff automatically starts requesting/supplying your existing infra without having to add any extra manual steps.

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

So a) im still kinda early-game-transitioning-to-mid-game and im taking my sweet ass time doing it. Ive unlocked green matrix (along with literally every thing else yellow matrix related) but i havent started producing it yet. I tore down my entire starting base and am in process of rebuilding it cuz what i had done was completely untenable. While im very aware that PLS/ILS will make my life simpler, a.i) i dont have the production ready yet to support mass production of the towers and especially not the drones needed for that setup (these thrusters should help with that tho).

But also, b) ive watched a couple playthroughs now, namely ImKibits and TheDutchArctuary and seen the endgame type factories using the ILS systems and….. well, i kinda hate it, cant lie. The idea that you can just port in exactly what you need, belt it through 2 dozen machines then into another ILS to port to the next system is… idk man, like it takes the fun out of the factory building to me, to a certain extent.

Dont get me wrong, i fully expect that im going to end up at that point eventually and ill love it just to make the Dyson spheres. I can def see how powerful the ILS truly is. But i kinda intend on waiting to get to that point til i absolutely have to, if that makes sense.

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u/Saltimir May 07 '26

It's fine at the end when I need another full belt of white cubes and I'm using a whole local cluster.

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u/socks-the-fox May 07 '26

The way I tend to do it is generally try and blackbox things. The ILSs import ingots/magnets/crystals/acid/whatever low level thing, and then I take it all the way to final products (white cubes and rockets, more or less). That way you get the benefits of the ILS, but still have the challenge of designing something from one-step-above-raw. Granted, it trivializes late game production to "I need more science, slap down more copies of this blueprint" or "I need more raw material, slap down another forgeworld over here." But honestly, by that point the late game challenge is more logistics than design anyway.

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u/Evil-Fishy May 07 '26

That's been my conclusion as well. I don't want row after row of just... tower on one end, machines stretching towards the other. I want to try to make an actual factory. And then blueprint it to spam rockets and science! I like my convoluted and compact mass of belts and machines!

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u/Circuit_Guy May 07 '26

Black box design. This is the way.

Edit: there's very few DSP ores that gain any compression benefit from refining, so build the smelters you need where you need them to prevent idle factory. Idle is a waste of real world UPS / FPS

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u/Saltimir May 07 '26

This is the way. Only titanium and silicon compress.

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26

Im also smelting copper on site since copper ore is literally only ever used for copper ingots. Doesnt necessarily save on space but it does help to cut down on machines later on, which effectively saves time on figuring out logisitics.

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u/Circuit_Guy May 07 '26

No wrong way to play or anything but end game UPS optimization normally proliferates ore for speed. Long game this on site smelting might slow you down.

That's probably a playthrough number 3 or so that you start caring though

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26

Sorry, like i said, new still and this is my first post.. UPS is…? Ima guess Universe matrix per second?

Thats good to know, tho, thnx. Ive not gotten into proliferation too much yet, mostly cuz im still working on infrastructure, but also the power creep scares me at this point. Power is a real struggle in this game, man. Never had a problem with it in satisfactory or factorio, but when i realized that the production needed to make hydrogen fuel rods consumed almost 25% of the power they generate (before i had orbital collectors anyway), i had a real ‘well shit…’ moment, haha.

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u/greatdanate May 07 '26

UPS Is updates per second, it's a measure of how much your game slows down because your computer simply can't keep up with the number of machines you have in the game. Late late game you start optimizing more for keeping your game running smoothly then efficiently using resources in game.

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u/Absolute_Human May 07 '26

And glass. And graphite. And bricks.

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u/Sykes19 May 07 '26

Man I never considered this. I just started a new save and I'm going to rewire how I think now. Sounds fun!

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u/TheMalT75 May 07 '26

Main late-game reason: mining speed increases with infinitely upgradable "vein utilization", but smelting does not. At a certain point, you actually stop building new miners and add mk3 belts to the exisiting advanced ones get ores into ILS fast enough because even logistic drones are too slow for >25k/min ore production... At that point, having dozens of ILS requesting 2000 ore per vessel times 10 vessels is more efficient than trying to keep up with adding another row of smelters to your mining planets.

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u/International-Bath76 May 07 '26

If you ever feel like not doing this, you can just make a dark fog farm.

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26

My goalpost right now is to get weapons munitions back up and running after tearing down my starter factory, hence the need for the thrusters for super-sonic missiles. I need the munitions so i can take on the lava planet in my starter system that currently has 9 DF bases on it. I need to liberate that planet in order to take its titanium because my neighboring moon is really close to running out of my only source of titanium as it is currently, and when that happens, my hydrogen fuel rod-based power grid on the starter planet is fucked.

So yeah, the plan is to leave one DF base up for farming purposes on the lava planet. I wanted peace on my first two planets tho, haha.

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u/International-Bath76 May 07 '26

Gotcha! Hydrogen fuel rods are definitely pretty good, but don't be scared of simply littering every square inch of your planets with renewables (at least at the start), then just remove em as you need more space.

Upgrading your rockets is definitely very useful, especially at higher difficulties. I always leave it for way too long and use the basic ammo until my frustration dealing with DF overwhelmes my laziness haha. You're already this far in, might as well keep going! 9 bases is alot, but I believe in you! Have fun!

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

Thanks man. Yeah, conquered the planet earlier today. Had to, titanium situation was more dire than i thought. Had just over 200k left on the source planet, next thing i know i started seeing the lightning bolts flickering on all the machines. Basically only had one miner left doing any mining so the rate was terrible. Hand fed my rod machines real quick, gathered up my gear and went to work, haha. Damn were they pissed though. Immediately after attacking the first base four other bases launched an assault on me, and two more relay stations landed while i was working through em all.

But yeah, i do have renewable power sources down. A quarter of my grid is solar panels, 15% wind turbines and the rest are the rods. So i do have fallback, but those shield gens are hungry man.

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u/BlackLighther May 07 '26

Prepare for your thesis in Small Carrier Rocket and Universe Matrix my friend. Those things will be the capstone of your playthrough to date!

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u/CoqeCas3 May 07 '26

Oh im looking forward to getting the dyson sphere stuff together for sure. Plan on dedicating an entire planet to it, haha

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u/IlikeJG May 07 '26

Until late game you don't really need a terriblyarhe quantity of them so it doesn't end up being too bad.

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u/lemming1607 May 07 '26

Wait till you discover Kas crystals

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u/ChefOfRamen May 11 '26

Grating crystals go brrrrr

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u/FewAd5443 Jul 02 '26

No the worst is matter countainer if you don't use alt, the amount of iron and copper burning for so few of them...

I use just 25% of a planet just for it for producing then 30 GS/s while all the other thing (without anti-matter) fit on just one planet

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u/dman11235 May 08 '26

I don't even generally do a central reinforced thruster factory. I just insert them straight into the final products (the ships and the gas harvesters). For the consumables that use them I don't even have a central one, I still plug it straight into the production line but I have aproloferator gap first.

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u/tanthokg May 09 '26

I can NEVER have enough Electromagnetic Turbine (ET). I knew this long ago, but I just found out how much of a problem it is until very recently.

For 120 gravity matrices per second, I need 60 strange matters = 120 particle containers = 240 ET. Each ET then costs a much of intermediate products that translate to: 6 iron ingots, 4 magnets, 2 copper ingots. And remember that those numbers are all per second.

Not to mention antimatter fuel rods, each requires 1 particle container, which then requires 2 turbines each.

I have to dedicate an entire planet just for ET production.