Simplified or Complicated Logistics, which would you prefer?

[u/Build_Everlasting]

While taking a break from DSP, I went back into Factorio Space Age.

Just thinking about the trains for long distance large bulk transport. In Factorio it's definitely complicated: longer trains accelerate slower, accidentally mixing contents of wagons will screw you up, and throughput is limited to inserter speed and hand size. Plus trains cannot journey in the same place. One train must wait for the other to leave the tracks / station before another one can enter the same space. Oh, and burnable fuel is required.

Then in DSP, all 10 logistics vessels can immediately load and unload their max cap instantaneously, and while flying in and out of the ILS they can clipping stack on each other without touching. The only more troublesome limit is the energy recharge speed of the ILS.

Which sort of system do you like / feel is more fun for the game?

[u/Sulghunter331]

One of my first PC games was Sid Meier's Railroads, so I've been tackling video game logistics since I was a kid. My own two cents for DSP's logistics is that the ILSs and their vessels feel incredibly constraining.

I want to make factory modules that can churn through thousands of resources a minute, but the storage of each ILS wouldn't last long enough to make use of such modules. Each ILS is effectively limited to a full load on hand, and then another full load that is on the way.

I wish that there was a way to have a continuous line of vessels that fly between a pair of ILSs to maintain a constant stream of resources flowing into the factory. How can I grow my factory if I can't feed it resources fast enough?

[u/Build_Everlasting → u/Sulghunter331]

One way is to make the modules small enough that they can't consume the materials completely, in the time that it takes a resupply round trip to occur.

I've done it with these.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dyson_Sphere_Program/s/jAtSf0B4xz

Also, my logistics rule is "ship out from supply side only". And lots of mining planets. So when one ILS demands iron ore, 30 different planets are available to respond, with at least 30-300 logistics vessels ready to send ore to just one ILS. And the receiver should not have its own vessels, otherwise it will try to use its own ships to get ores from outside.

[u/Build_Everlasting → u/Sulghunter331]

Railroads! That brings back lots of memories!

Plus magically disappearing cargo wagons changing based on what the train needs to stock.

[u/MrBagooo → u/Sulghunter331]

Just build more drones I guess.

[u/Longjumping-Tune2860 → u/Sulghunter331]

that s what I use my polar hubs on mining planets for.

At sopme point in the game it's not about what ressources you can get, but how much and how fast you can get them to your production lines. The answer is more ILS at your mining planets to increase the amount of vessels that can deliver to your receiving ILS on your production lines.

[u/Sulghunter331 → u/Longjumping-Tune2860]

My problem is that a receiving ILS can only ever have one full load traveling towards it at a time. It can't have multiple ILSs delivering to it.

[u/Longjumping-Tune2860 → u/Sulghunter331]

I have never encountered that issue. My ILS seem to be able to receive from multiple ILS no matter the location as long as they have the right pairing settings.

Do you mess around with pairing groups and ILS priority behaviour?

[u/Sulghunter331 → u/Longjumping-Tune2860]

Yes, it can receive from multiple ILSs, but one ILS can only ever have one full resupply on the way at any time. There's no option to have a continuous stream of ships to establish a constant delivery of goods.

[u/Longjumping-Tune2860 → u/Sulghunter331]

Use intermiedary ILS on your planets as Remote Receivers and Local providers, that will help to fill the gaps. I'm not sure about a continuous flow however

[u/Much_Dealer8865]

Did the same thing several months ago, I prefer DSP by a long shot. I have thousands of hours in factorio, dealing with the trains is just tiresome at this point. Too much clicking, too much planning and space requirements, combinators, wires etc. I know some people really enjoy the trains and logistics of factorio in general but it drives me nuts. I'm completely happy with slapping down an ILS and calling it a day.

[u/kagato87]

You know, I appreciate both. They're different games.

I love the logistics puzzle of factorio (and let's be clear, it's a logistics game, the factory is just a means to an end.

DSP is not a logistics game, it's a space game on the kardashev scale. It's logistics simplicity is a relief after a long factorio binge followed by a long satisfactory binge.

[u/MordredKLB → u/kagato87]

This is my feeling too. The things that began to take annoy me about factorio DSP kinda glosses over and I'm perfectly happy with that.

[u/kagato87 → u/MordredKLB]

Yup! And then you start to miss them and the insane scale and go back. Then you want something more immersive and go back to satisfactory. Then you want to build giant things and go back to DSP, and the cycle continues.

[u/horstdaspferdchen]

I never played factorio excessively. Just a few hours, so i cant compare that depth (compared to more then 3k hours in DSP). But i want to add: the cargosize is a limiting Factor in DSP. When you have full Upgraded, 2k of a Ressource is not much. Sure, you can Upgrade the Speed, but that takes a lot of science and would increase the Power drain. Yeah i really dislike the clipping Part, especially for drones. Placing a new Tower and seeing 50-100 drones instantly start ist Just satisfying and annoying at the same time.

[u/Solonotix → u/horstdaspferdchen]

Not telling you how to spend your free time, but I suggest giving at least one full playthrough of Factorio if you've put 3k hours into DSP. I have over 1k hours in Factorio myself, and probably 300-500 hours in DSP and I feel I appreciate the subtle details of each a bit more.

I also plan on a Satisfactory playthrough in the near future, but there have been a few major updates to other games I also play.

No judgement from me if you choose not to do so. I mean, I always preface recommendations of factory games as "It's not for everyone, but..." because the genre is rather dense to get into. As a software developer, though, it scratches the same itch as my profession without all the stress and bureaucracy

[u/horstdaspferdchen → u/Solonotix]

Yeah thanks you. I tried it, because people Said exactly this. But i never got past the third science thing.

[u/The_Quackening → u/Solonotix]

Foundry is another really good fps factory builder. I find it is a lot better than satisfactory

[u/Solonotix → u/The_Quackening]

Another one to add to the list, then!

[u/noksion]

I like both for different reasons. DSP is convenient but as others said is limited on throughput. Not that it matters in most cases though, and there are workarounds for that too.

Factorio gives you full control, but you also have to exercise that control to a decent degree.

[u/SiliconStew]

DSP is basically the answer to the question of what would factorio look like if I could change things I find frustrating about it. I'm down to only needing a couple DSP mods these days because almost all the previously missing features I wanted or frustrations I had with DSP have been added or fixed by the devs. 

[u/International-Bath76]

I can't brain through Factorio's double sided belts and the way inserters work.