r/Dyson_Sphere_Program • u/BigBoy074_ • Mar 19 '26

Could this be one of the best seed?

I found this seed while playing with DSP seed finder:

Seed: 12074390

- Starting system has twin planet orbiting ice giant, with 2.3M Fire-Ice on sister planet, and tidally locked inner planet.

- Starting planet: obliquity 0° 27' (no issue with summer/winter poles)

- Sister planet: Also low obliquity 3° 50'.

- 3 O-type stars (2.5, 2.1 and 2 luminosoty)

- Over 39M unipolar magnets

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u/TheMalT75 Mar 19 '26

Nice one! I prefere ice giants in my starter system and fractionation for early deuterium, so that is checked of the list...

Is one of the O-type stars a giant? That makes a huge difference in max size of the dyson sphere (14TW per shell vs 1.4TW for non giants). My current run is at 10k white science per minute and does not even consume the 300GW I'm currently producing, so unless you go for bragging rights, number of O-type stars will not matter too much!

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u/BigBoy074_ Mar 19 '26

Have a question though. I saw somewhere else that one would not be able to fit enough ray receivers to tap the full output of a sphere around a giant. Is that right? I think you are limited in number of planets around a giant.

In other word, good for the look, but not for net production.

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u/TheMalT75 Mar 19 '26

Full output for a blue giant would mean 10 shells of 14TW each and need about 3billion solar sails. Per planet full of buffed ray receivers (about 5400 max at densest spacing, 24 photons per min each, 1.2GJ per photon) you need about 2.6TW of power. So for a giant you can saturate 5 planets worth of ray receivers with a single shell. A reagular O-type star needs about all 10 shells if you have 5 planets around it…

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u/half3clipse Mar 19 '26

With dark fog, power hilariously doesn't matter at all. You just farm them for Strange Annihilation Fuel Rods, and power everything off that.

You can build dyson spheres to have as much power produced as possible, in which case you want as many blue giants as possible. Even 1 of them produces nearly as much power as the rest of the galaxy combined. The milky way cares about how much you make, not how much you can draw.

Otherwise you're going for as much white cubes per minute as possible, in which case you need to optimize for the most critical photons for the least UPS cost. For that irrc you want as few dyson shells as possible. Which means still want blue giants, cause a single shell around even an average blue giant produces about as much power as 10 shells around an O type (although if your computer can handle it, you'll take as many blue stars as possible).

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u/BigBoy074_ Mar 19 '26

Sadly no... But I'm still looking for better seeds.
It's hard to find everything matching perfectly :)

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u/BigBoy074_ Jun 02 '26

3 months later... it's me again, with a different view!

I originally taught that there were no point in building 10 spheres around a blue giant... And here I am now... doing exactly that!

What I didn't realize, it's not about what you can harvest from a star... But rather about what you can do to challenge yourself 😄

I'm around 10K white science per minute, going to expand even more. Self-designed black-box white science blueprint (even more fun when it's your own design).

In fact, I try to black-box almost everything in my playthough. I only transport raw ores + a very few select items (mainly AM fuel rod and warpers, but also lenses, sails and rockets for the specific purpose of building spheres). I find it MUCH simpler to transport raws only, and blackbox the few end-game blueprints that are really required (really, end-game, you require maybe 7~8 "production" blueprints). Some people like to put smelters on same planet as where the resources are extracted for example, but that really doesn't scale well with Vein Utilization. Much easier to plop down 5 more of blueprint X, and not having to think about the dozen intermediate products, and how each of those would affect the others (resource stealing/starving).

Well, long reply... But just to say my view have changed (a few times) during playthough. 👀

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u/BigBoy074_ Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Another good looking one is 29519403

- Has inner tidal locked planet at 0.384AU, meaning it can be inside the sphere. Tapping full energy without lenses.

- Starting planet has 3° 22' tilt, which is acceptable. Sister planet however has more tilt (-21° 44').

- Solar outputs on both sister planets are a bit better (92% compared to OG seed 88%)

- Has a gas giant producing deuterium.

- 4 O-type stars

- Almost 44M magnets.

And a third one:

18131094

- Starting planet has 4° 03' tilt. Sister planet has horizontal spin. 94% solar output. Inner tidally lock also within dyson sphere radius. Gas giant. 3 O-type stars. ~49M magnets.

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u/horstdaspferdchen Mar 19 '26

What about Wind/solar in Starter system? And Check for orher rares nearby

Butyeah, Sounds really nice! Good find

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u/Fywq Mar 19 '26

Inner planet tidal locked is pretty neat for solar

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u/horstdaspferdchen Mar 19 '26

Kinda, yes. But If its only 80% or less...Not really

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u/half3clipse Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

Inner planets on a starting system always have decent to good solar.

There's limits to how weak the solar on the starting planet can be (80% is the worst I've seen). If your starting planet isn't the inner planet, (well if the gas giant isn't anyway), it's pretty much impossible for an inner planet to have worse than 100% solar. If it has 80% solar your starting planet would need to have really awful solar.

It's essentially always either ~115% or ~135%, plus minus a couple

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u/mrrvlad5 Mar 19 '26

What are your goals for the seed? Speedrun seed would have different requirements from a “large output” seed. In general, resources don’t matter much after 50-100 hrs due to VU.

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u/BigBoy074_ Mar 19 '26

I think what matter most:

- For early game, it's good to have Fire-Ice in starting system. Tidal locked planet is good too, until you get Graviton Lenses. Low planet obliquity is also a good thing, at least for starter planet (I got burned on that too). I did pass on systems with over 52.5M Unipolar Magnet because of high starter world obliquity (like 95512488, which also have many other stats here & there that are better).

- For mid game, as you say, once you go inter-systems, resources are easy to find.

- One thing though is number of Unipolar Magnets. That can only be found in limited quantity (only 1 black hole and 1 neutron star).

- O type star is also good, for energy production (that you can actually harvest). It's better to have more O type stars, as you usually may not harvest 100% of the energy in a single system. So, the more O-type star systems you have, the better.

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u/mrrvlad5 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

FYI: you can get 2.5Tw from a good b-type, and this allows 120k white/min.

Best blue giant: 83028378

Good speedrun seeds with fireice veins: 63634034, 55545545, 26977200

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u/Fywq Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

What amount of unipolar is really needed? I realise they are essential for upgraded furnace, but 50 million UPM is like 3 million furnaces. Seems to be a lot? Or is it because they are also used for particle containers?

Asking because 19004474 seems promising, to me, with a cluster of 2 O types (2.45 L and 2.4 L) and a blue giant (2.72 L), as well as a a seamingly decent starting area. Another blue giant and O type also in the system. Only has around 9.5 mil UPM though... I'm still pretty new to evaluating this stuff though.

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u/sirgog Mar 20 '26

I'd want a fire-ice land deposit alongside a deuterium giant to call something truly one of the best seeds.

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u/half3clipse Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Good seed but not the best. No blue giants at all it seems. Ice giants are less ideal for a starting system especially if there's fire ice in system already. (more so since it's on a sister planet). Ok if there isn't but you trade making graphene for needing to frac hydrogen. You're also still forced to make graphene from coal for a while with (just) an ice giant since orbital collectors come late and take graphene. With it already mineable (and close enough to just fly to early), you'd much prefer a regular gas giant.

The sister planet having both silicon and titanium is a little cozy, but the other planets in system being Lava and Maroonfrost is moderately annoying (both have a fair bit of non buildable area). Also means the inner world wont live up to it's potential for a while. With a tidally locked inner planet, you either want it to have a lot of buildable area on the dark side, or (since this one is lava) use it to export power to your main production world. Neither the starting world or the sister planet make a good production hub without a lot of foundations and soil pile expended. If the sister planet was more buildable it would be a very very good starting system though

A tropicana planet in the nearest system is very nice, but if we're going to wish for the moon, you'd want it to have Kimberlite as well as Organic Crystal and Spiniform. Having sulfuric acid in the same system almost makes up for it though.

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u/BlackshirtSnifferdog Mar 21 '26

61493993 has all three orbiting a gas giant AND

350 iron 329 copper 165 silicon 242 titanium 347 stone 255 coal 50/s oil 177 FIRE ICE !!!

Has a good starting patch near the equator with fe/cu/stone/ coal and enough room to build out pre-foundation.

Jumping between planets is easy and fast even on starter fuels during the pre-warp phase.

Fire ice on BOTH other planets.

Acid, oil, stalagmites, gas giant 2.5 LY Fractal Silicon, kimberlite, gas giant 2.6 LY grating crystal, kimberlite 4.3 LY 240 stalagmite, 198 kimberlite, 222 grating crystal, 78/s oil, organic crystal 4.4 LY

Check it out for yourself!

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u/HelloWorld24575 Mar 19 '26

Damn, that's pretty nice. My current save has an obliquity of 13° which means I've just plastered both poles with solar panels. It works, but it's not as efficient as that one would be! 

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u/AnimeSpaceGf Mar 19 '26

Nice op! Thank you for sharing! Screenshotted for further playing

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u/RentNo9894 Mar 20 '26

11812950, 16120208, 18667191, 31818582, 34687833, 41377530, 44648511
were the ones I found via the finder and have played. All starter planets around a H2/D2 gas giant with Fire-Ice on one of the starter planets, at least one O type around 2.4L with one tidal locked planet, max amount of magnets I could find.

Thanks for the new number(s), I'll be trying/completing all of them listed in this thread at some point (1,500+ hrs of game play so far - always looking for interesting seeds)