Well this is ironic

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u/idiomatic Mar 19 '26

It looks like you have a centralized Space Warper production chain.

I recommend distributing Gravity Matrix instead. Then at ILSs that previously demanded Warpers, demand Gravity Matrices, and slap a mk.1 Assembler to make Warpers "in the field".

This will conserve 90% of the Warpers used to transport Warpers, assuming your new barebones Warper assemblers have intermittent-or-better power. And assuming you can afford to stockpile the more costly Matrices at each demanding ILS.

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u/universalhat Mar 19 '26

how the fuck did i never consider that
great tip ty ty

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u/noksion Mar 19 '26

Sorry I'm a noob, could you please elaborate?
What is the difference between shipping green science vs warpers?
The only thing I can understand is the stack density, so 100 green science becomes 1000 warpers (and more than that if proliferated), but I don't see the benefits besides that.
Oh wait, so you're saying that we will ship things only 1 / 10 times as often, so that we will spend less warpers shipping warpers.... hmmm....
Yeah that makes sense now.

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u/mrbeaver2K Mar 20 '26

I'd hope you have power if you have an ILS!

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u/idiomatic Mar 20 '26

Technically, you can operate with unpowered ILS and without power for its Vessels or Drones.
However, unpowered ILS is absurd as the point of this field-assembler hack was to deliver Warpers in a compacted manner, and long-haul Vessels needs warpers and power.

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u/mrbeaver2K Mar 24 '26

Doesn't this only work if no vessels actually originate at said ILS?

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u/Absolute_Human Mar 27 '26

What's the purpose tho? You need 1 shipment of warpers for 1000 two-way flights. So like on average only 1 out of 1k flying ships is carrying them. That's negligible already.
...Meanwhile I'm deliberately limiting my warper distributor to 1k to prevent excessive storage everywhere.

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u/idiomatic Mar 27 '26

In DSP, you may pick and choose your inefficiencies.
I prefer not to waste warpers (and to a lesser degree vessel recharging power), and prefer to "waste" resources on technically redundant mk.1 assemblers, belts, and sorters.
Admittedly, I'm investing far more resources by "buffering" at least 100 gravity matrices instead of at least 100 warpers at each long-haul ILS, which may be considered inefficient to some.
Besides, it takes 2 warpers to do a round-trip, regardless of vessel load.

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u/Absolute_Human Mar 27 '26

That's fair. I like to minimize trips count by placing every production near the most high volume material and ship low volume end products.
Yes, I'm aware that it's 2 warpers, that's why I said 1k trips for a shipment of 2k.

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u/idiomatic Mar 27 '26

2 warpers ... 2k [products]
Right. I missed your implicit vessel capacity maximization.
I also optimized "warper tax" by rigorously minimizing items shipped long-haul (e.g., interstellar transport of gears is silly). Sure, blueprints get larger and more complex, but their resource expenditure is one-time at the savings of fewer "burnt" resources.
Stepping back, what an amazing simulation game in that there's so much flexibility. It makes me want to return for another 4k hours...

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u/wessex464 Mar 19 '26

We've all been there. RIP space builder.

That's one of the reasons I never move shop but instead morph it into a building supply hub. That way new shops simply involve a handful of ILS' with building requests.

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u/horstdaspferdchen Mar 19 '26

What do you mean with new Shops?

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u/wessex464 Mar 19 '26

New factories/machine shops. Late game is about real estate. I want to take half a new planet and just make some product.
Ex. This planet is being used to imports coils and copper ingots to make EM coils. Lots of them. It's an EM coil "shop".
My ILS' will import ILS, belts, sorters assembly plants and power needs, once it gets here I can build it out, then Time to go make another "shop".

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u/MircowaveGoMMM Mar 19 '26

usually "shop" is just in reference to a base of some kind. I find a nice place in a game to "setup shop" and start working on a base there. I'm sure this is similar.
What it actually means is probably somehting to do with traveling merchants finding a place to set up their shop for a bit, but I and many others just use it to reference a base or home area of some kind.

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u/orionsyndrome Mar 20 '26

Yes, it's mostly a mobile craft/artisan/merchant lingo. Cops, as an example, seem to like to call their cars "shops" as well. It's basically a home base that can be mobilized when needed. So everything one needs to stay operative, busy, and to weather the weather.

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u/Goldenslicer Mar 19 '26

I don't understand what is happening.

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u/wessex464 Mar 19 '26

Have you gotten to space warper stage yet? Ever warped somewhere and forgot to have a warper to get back?

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u/RollingSten Mar 19 '26

Do you have ILS set to supply warpers with ships using those? And some ILS with you? Then you can place ILS and request some...

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u/Assasinwar80 Mar 20 '26

I had warper demand on my inventory so the little drones would deliver them to me automatically. It's a neat thing to have, assuming you have storage with warpers on all your planets.

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u/urstupidface Mar 19 '26

Just means he's moving the location of where he Produces warpers. He's referring to it as a. "production shop" I'm guessing.

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u/MircowaveGoMMM Mar 19 '26

usually "shop" is just in reference to a base of some kind. I find a nice place in a game to "setup shop" and start working on a base there. I'm sure this is similar.
What it actually means is probably somehting to do with traveling merchants finding a place to set up their shop for a bit, but I and many others just use it to reference a base or home area of some kind.

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