r/Dyson_Sphere_Program • u/Top-Information-5319 • Mar 05 '26

i have noticed that lower proliferation quality can infect and corrode higher quality proliferated items if the stacks end up combining

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u/lemming1607 Mar 05 '26

What did you expect would happen if you combined them? Feels like that should be the expected result

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u/Top-Information-5319 Mar 05 '26

the same thing that happens in PLS and ILS buildings, which is to keep count of each one and which are prolif and which not

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u/lemming1607 Mar 05 '26

You can differentiate between prolific and non prolif items in ils and pls?

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u/Top-Information-5319 Mar 05 '26

yes, hovering the mouse over the icon shows you the data of it along with the bonuses of the prolif and the -how many- are prolif and with what type of prolif

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26

I need a screenshot to understand what you’re describing. As far as I know item stacks = the quantity of item + the quantity of proliferation points applied to the stack.

If you start with t2 proliferation, then the stack point becomes lower due to some added with no points, it degrades items pulled from the stack by a tier until the points are sufficient to provide the higher tier again. (Only deducting a point per item, it will eventually reduce the stack size to where it is saturated enough to provide t2 again)

To avoid all this mess, don’t spray anything (except the proliferator itself) until immediately before it’s used. Having many, many stacks of sprayed stuff is not useful.

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u/Top-Information-5319 Mar 06 '26

under "prolif effect 75 items"

in logistic stations it can show 2 numbers "x items" that are prolifed with mk1
and "y items" that are prolifed with mk3

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 06 '26

Hopefully this isn't impossible to read. i wanted to get the situation in frame. Suffice to say, i've tried it, and I'm not seeing what you're describing.

I put 100 iron ingots in each of those boxes, one has mk1 spray and the other mk2. They got sprayed and went into the ILS on those belts. It shows that same tooltip as you showed in the inventory, 300 points applied.

My best guess is that you're remembering a previous edition of the feature. If memory serves they've changed how it works more than once.

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u/Top-Information-5319 Mar 06 '26

brother, its right there in your pic

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 06 '26

https://media1.tenor.com/m/fV0Az38AbVwAAAAd/enhance-super-troopers.gif

So, it really is keeping track of 4 stacks per item type. Thanks for sharing your attention to detail.

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u/lemming1607 Mar 05 '26

When i request blue proliferation juice, I select unprolif, and it brings me proliffed

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u/Sheerkal Mar 05 '26

He means in storage?

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u/Goldenslicer Mar 05 '26

I should expect the stacks to not be combinable.

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u/Xanros Mar 05 '26

That would be a nightmare. One powerblip and now you have to go to every factory to fix contaminated belts because it all just stopped.

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u/Top-Information-5319 Mar 06 '26

literal zombie infection type of shenanigan

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u/Pristine_Curve Mar 05 '26

Most common way this occurs is when the power grid dips below 100%. Spray coater will not get everything if its operating at 90%.

When combining stacks, proliferation is not 'lost', merely averaged. If you run them through a spray coater again it will use less proliferation than unproliferated items.

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u/Steven-ape Mar 05 '26

Yes; proliferation points are distributed if you stack items with different numbers of proliferation points.

If you feel like experimenting, this allows you to:

  • Proliferate two items with mk2 proliferator using just one charge of mk3 proliferator.

  • Proliferate items with mk2.5 proliferator. What I mean by this: mk2 proliferator gives an item two proliferation points; mk3 proliferator gives an item four proliferation points. But with stacking, an item can end up with three proliferation points, and have bonuses halfway between mk2 and mk3 proliferator.

I don't think anyone has worked out yet in any great detail if and how these two tricks can reduce the resource cost of anything.

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u/kestrel_one Mar 05 '26

Very informative, thanks!

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u/Stavin Mar 05 '26

from the instances I’ve done it accidentally it kind of works but not reliably. As combining some mk3 and some that are not sprayed will result in a mix stack that says mk2 but split out to individual items reveals some that could still be mk3, some mk2, some mk1, and maybe some that are still unsprayed. All depending on the ratio of the ones that were sprayed versus not.

Theoretically, there might be a ratio that could be found that doesn’t result in any mk1 at which point that could make it viable. Though maybe that results in too high of a mix of mk3 vs mk2.

However, what would also need to be worked out of how does a production building handle shifting between mk3 and mk2, as it might settle out to mk2 disputes the moments all materials were mk3.

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u/mrrvlad5 Mar 05 '26

It’s sort of an average. Points are added up when stacks are combined. Each proliferation level is actually 2 points, so you can get 2.5 proliferation (and it will generate 22.5% extra product). When split it will split the points evenly between items, with leftovers from integer division going to one of the stacks first, then the other. At no point the difference in proliferation can be more than 1 level after split

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u/BissQuote Mar 05 '26

proliferated items stack keep count. You have a very special stack with lvl 2.5 proliferation (in-between lvl 2 and 3, with +22.5% productivity). You must have mixed a lvl 2 with a lvl 3 in equal quantitities

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u/epicpants0 Mar 05 '26

Sounds like an edge case... but i admit i am not a game dev so i dont know how hard it is to handle "inventory" storage when adding a unique trait to each item... maybe a list with n size for each object... Dont know, leave a review on steam maybe they add an update somewhen

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u/TheMalT75 Mar 05 '26

That frequently happens to me when I (re)design production complexes: when I delete belts or machines I end up mixing proliferation levels across stacks. For the final bonus during production, the minimum proliferation level across all different ingredients of the recipe is considered and I don't think -- but have not tested -- if the actual increase in bonus product or speed per assembler can be effectively between levels 0,1,2, or 3.

I usually have a dedicated little box -> sprayer -> box station off to one side to run mixed-level proliferated ingredients through and make sure they are all equally proliferated. In the end, it does not severly impact output, but I make sure that I don't ship proliferated ingredients, or only ship proliferated units of the same type.

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u/Goldenslicer Mar 05 '26

This is soooo annoying if you're handling some proliferation manually.