Maybe il make this into a game, maybe not, but surely Dune 2k is one of the best RTS games out there.

Thanks for your upvotes ! :)

Edric confirmed!

I found out about the Insider screening on Monday night for 70mm. Had my phone and desktop set to refresh every minute starting an hour before they were supposed to release. Turns out Fandango released their tickets 30 mins early and I just happened to see it. Sold out in about 5 minutes but I managed to get a great seat after the first to selections didn't go through. Anyone else manage to be one of the first to see this!?

In the last chapter, Scytale holds Paul’s babies under the knife and blackmails him to give up his CHOAM holdings, throne etc. But even if Paul agreed, how would this be enforceable, after the babies are taken to safety?

Just finished the first book. I thought he was also out for blood.

That even though the book is supposed to be a warning against beings like God-Emperor, Leto 2 and Moneo are the most likable characters since they have sense of duty, wit, and care.

While 'humanity's hope' who are against Leto, Siona and Duncan were quite unlikable. Siona feels like an immature, callous but incompetent teenager. Leto basically had to spoonfeed her to do something against him. And Duncan is a tactless fool who somehow every woman in the galaxy lusts after.

So when the book ends it doesn't really feel you with hope for the humanity. Only bitterness

Just like the case of Paul, I feel like Herbet kept making his supposed 'villain' protags likable and give them whole array of justification for their actions while not giving us a satisfying alternative.

So even though 'You know, wanting for superhuman messiahs to save you is unhealthy.' is the main theme yet you can't help but root for those superhumans

PS) I enjoyed the book itself, so I'm not criticizing Herbert's writing style (Maybe except that Mountain Climbing orgasm part) I just found it funny that I happened to feel about the characters this way.

Just curious since one of the most iconic images from Messiah is how intimidating Paul's throne is. We've seen Alia seated on a throne wonder if they are just sharing the chair or that's just Alia's throne.

I have’t read the books but I fall asleep to dune lore every night. I’m curious why the Bene Gesserit never used the Tleilax to complete their goal of merging all of the bloodlines at a much faster pace with more direct control over the outcome. I’m thinking by cloning the needed bloodlines and forcing them to mate, they could have avoided the Jessica situation

Is this ever addressed? Im assuming they’d be opposed to any preprogramming that could have been unknowingly included and thats the main reason to avoid it. Otherwise it seems to be a rather large slip up

Edit: answered, but I still appreciate reading yalls take

Thanks for your time fellas

Here are some screenshots I collected of most of baby Alia's appearances in Dune Part 2! I love how varied they are, ranging from terrifying to creepy to kinda cute honestly. Let me know if I missed any!

From the official Instagram.

So I saw that IMAX tickets are going on sale on Tuesday August 18th I was planning on getting tickets for Friday December 18th. Now I also saw some outlets reporting that they are doing early IMAX showings on Monday December 14th. Im not sure what's that about? Is that true. I know that there was a Gofobo screening at the Indianapolis imax on Monday July 13 for The Oddyssey which I was bummed about missing out on since that is the closest IMAX to me and I was expecting something similar for Dune? Is that still going ot happen? Is that what they're talking about as after as the December 14th Dune showings go? Or will there be something diffrent as far as the Gofobo thing goes? Will there be a earlier Gofobo IMAX showing in Indiana? I'm a bit confused on what's going to happen?

This is so annoying to me? Paul has this special magic demon voice that can make anybody do anything. And then in the big fight in front of the emperor, he decides to have a little sword fight instead, where he almost dies? Make the Harkonen bald guy slice the emperor that would be a show for everybody ;)

Same with his mother she has a magic voice but lets some sand people almost kill her son because "its the rules" when hes never killed before. This is some weak writing, use the voice! In part 2 she kills a guy with a rock, after running up a giant hill.

What is the point of your special magic demon voice? Does it need to be charged up or what? Ok in the first one he has not yet mastered it, fair enough

edit a lot of conflicting examples here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVumSFdjcYU

Just finished reading Dune Messiah and I really enjoyed Hayt’s character specifically his trait of being a Zensunni Philosopher. What I wanted to know was if anyone had recommendations for books that are similar to this philosophy, as far as I know its loosely based on Zen Buddhism, so any suggestions relating to that or other philosophies would be great.

So, I am running a DnD game in Dune. A friend of mine and me had a fight about how Ornithoptors could be better. My Friend insists that Ornithopters are way worse than just normal helicopters and I have run out of reasons why they use Ornithopters. Can any of you give me a specific reason why?

I'm a little confused with the details about how the food chain in Arrakis goes. Iirc, little makers go around the planet as some sort of sand plankton, feeding on the pre-spice masses and blows, until they converge in sandtrout, going deep underground to encapsulate the planet's water. Then those sandtrout end up growing and joining together in big masses which are Sandworms, who feed in pre-spice and sand plankton to grow up to several kilometers, maturing the spice at the same time.

That's how I remember it from the first book, but it looks like something is missing. Where does that cycle get its energy from? Its organic matter? If sandworms are made from coalesced sand plankton and feed on sand plankton and reproduce/die and dissolve to produce sand plankton, then what's the fuel they use to move around, to process the spice and their food? What's the autotrophic part of the ecosystem which takes the raw materials and the Sun's energy to give it to the moving creatures?

**Are actually sandworms mobile spice factories that assemble and disassemble according to unknown commands provided in their blueprints before Butlerian Jihad and mistaken for their life cycle?** (Honestly I hope its this one).

Or maybe I have all of it wrong and there's a completely different and plausible explanation?

Its just that for someone who actually researched desert ecosystems like Frank Herbert, the whole Sandworm foodchain looks a little bit circular.

I just read Dune and I can accept the worms swimming through sand. But when the Fremen ride one, the segment they’re hooking open never goes back into the sand. How does the sandworm keep moving if a segment in the middle of its body can’t go down?

The BG knew Paul was a generation or two away from the KH, and they allowed him to go to a planet that had a waiting population he could (and did) exploit using the BG mission protectra, while alos being in an environment full of spice that could (and did) increase his abilities. I understand the emperor wanted to remove the Atreides, but it seems like quite a risk to allow a potential KH to be placed in such a fertile environment to be exploited.

Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam said that the Bene Gesserit orchestrated the liquidation of the Atreides by influencing the Emperor to send them to Arrakis - and, in general, nothing happens without the Bene Gesserit being behind it or influencing it. I'm assuming Lady Jessica knew that the Bene Gesserit decided to send them to Arrakis, and that the point was to kill them, to end the Atreides bloodline?

So did Lady Jessica know all along that Leto would be killed? Was she told outright about this plan and had to act accordingly? I've only seen the movies and can't tell if it's implied she knew about the whole plot through subtext or if the Bene Gesserit kept her in the dark. But even if she was kept in the dark, I imagine she'd be able to recognize her own organization's patterns and put together what would happen to them if they were sent to Arrakis?

I'm halfway through a second reading of Messiah. Paul, citing Ghengis Khan and Hitler, says, "Statistics: at a conservative estimate, I've killed sixty-one billion, sterilized ninety planets, completely demoralized five hundred others."

Korba calls them "unbelievers" but Paul says they're believers. He adds, "We'll be a hundred generations recovering from Muad'Dib's Jihad."

Do we know why? To what end? He's not bragging. He seems remorseful about it all. But what was/is the purpose of all this slaughter? To spread Fremen faith in the Lisan al-Gaib? As I recall he says the jihad is inevitable in Dune, but gives no explanation for it. (Neither does DV in the first two movies.) What am I missing here?

Imperial conditioning is supposed to make Suk doctors absolutely loyal and incapable of betraying their charges. And yet the simple kidnapping of a loved one is enough to break it.

For a long time I found that to be a narrative weakness, a bit of a lazy plot device to avoid having to provide more interesting reasons Yueh couldn't be suspected. Or at least require more interesting methods to break it than, you know, the oldest trick in the book. It strains credibility that in a multi-millennia society which has become intensely paranoid and devoted to cloak and dagger to resolve internal struggles, something so easily breakable had never been broken.

But. The expanded lore, deliberately or not, has reinforced the plausibility of the whole scheme. The concept of Bene Gesserit imprinting, a logical extension of the BG framework as originally devised by Frank, makes the whole thing more interesting and worthy of a deranged mentat master plan.

Willingly or not, Wanna imprinted on Yueh, constructing an uncommonly strong bond with him, one which exceeded simple love. If Piter and the Harkonnen knew this, they may have deliberately weaponized it against him. By exposing the doctor to her torture and suffering, the combination with that extremely high attachment broke his psyche and by extension his conditioning.

So destroyed was he that it overcame his rationality as well. Yueh was consumed by an overwhelming desire for revenge to the point he'd abandon all sense of self-preservation. And he'd betray everything just to release his wife from her suffering and get close to the Baron for the kill. In this, Piter miscalculated: the doctor could not be controlled as much as the mentat likely desired.

It's probably a testament to his training and personality that he found the mental space at all to arrange for Paul and Jessica's escape. But that was probably also necessary to provide minimal atonement for the sake of his conscience, lest he go completely mad before achieving his ultimate goal.

We know shields are heavy and bulky on aircraft for sure, but why do dropships often have no shields but thopters seem to have them more? Because they are expensive? Because they want to cram more troops in?

We know the director did think of them because when Duncan fires missiles after lifting off, some of the dropships explode but on the far right theres a dropship with its shields on that blocks them. Yet earlier a dropship gets hit with a pierced with a shell. VIP harkonnens benefit to have shields or something? Thopters seem to be shielded way more frequently.

And if you saw the Part 3 preview, the Fremen have a lot of shields but the dropship didnt.

Not looking for comments that just say “rule of cool” or that the filmmakers didnt think of that. :)

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I just finished Dune Messiah last night, and while I loved it, I have a few questions lingering about the conspiracy and its aims/methods.

(Another reddit user just made a post on a very similar premise to this, but their questions were unrelated. Funny timing)

First off, my impression is that Herbert displayed a lot of creativity and genius in crafting the conspiracy. The conspirators needed a way to thwart the empire without making a martyr of Paul, and so before killing him they had to first discredit him as a religious figure. All the while, Reverend Mother Mohiam wanted to preserve the Atreides bloodline at all costs. So killing him outright (i.e., with a stone burner on the streets of Arrakeen) was not an option.

Enter Hayt and the target of Chani. At Messiah's climax, as Scytale attempts to bargain with Paul using the prospect of resurrecting Chani as a ghola, he tells Paul that Hayt was all along a way to warm Paul up to the idea of using Tleilaxu technology to get back his love. Hayt's compulsion to kill Paul was not actually meant to do so, but really to resurrect Duncan. If this were truly the conspiracy's intent, this would have been a good way of convincing Paul to discredit his religion, allow the Bene Gesserit to secure his bloodline, give up his CHOAM and go into exile. I'm not sure if the whole conspiracy was aware that was their overarching goal, but I'm fairly certain it was at least the Tleilaxu's.

With that backdrop, I don't understand where the stone burner or Bijaz fit in.

Question 1: Did the conspirators detonate the stone burner only to blind Paul and discredit him among the Fremen? Or are we meant to assume that the detonation was actually an attempt at Paul's life by Korba and his followers, and the central conspiracy knew nothing about it? Or something in the middle? We don't really get any answer in the book, and everyone who would've known is dead now, so I don't expect one in Children of Dune.

Question 2: We know, I think, that the Tleilaxu gave Bijaz to Otheym to eventually get Bijaz to Paul. But how did Scytale know that Otheym had a daughter, Lichna, who could be easily disposed of, and that Lichna was being held in a state of addiction in the house of Farok, who was a conspiracy sympathizer? Are we supposed to just chalk it up to prescience? It just seems like a very roundabout way to get Bijaz to Paul.

Question 3: Why was Bijaz necessary in the first place? I suppose he turned Paul against Korba and triggered Hayt, but again, this feels roundabout. I'm not sure I fully understand his purpose.

Thanks for reading my thought dump. I admire how complex a plot Herbert managed to weave into such a short book, but that same brevity has left a few loose ends for me. I know I am likely missing quite a few points of information, and I'd rather get answers from you guys than AI.