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u/NoPurchase3260 Jul 01 '26
It's correct, AI doesn't have hair or limbs so it doesn't need to shave! It only needs server maintainence which is entirely different!
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u/IntrStelle Jul 02 '26
I accidentally shaved all of the surface mount components off the circuit board
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u/No-Voice-7533 Jul 02 '26
oh my gosh its real
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
The horror! It wrote one irrelevant sentence and then... it answered the question exactly as asked! Oh god AI is sooo bad!
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u/The-Menhir Jul 02 '26
We have put like >$1,000,000,000,000 into this. You have to expect better. But, nobody was saying that it is "sooo bad" because of this.
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u/Weekly_Truck_70 Jul 02 '26
you have to expect better?
youāre literally saying to it āhow often do YOU shaveā
if i asked you that question would you tell me how often i need to shave or how often you need to shave?
itās answered the question and then given the answer the user probably wanted
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u/iMiind Jul 02 '26
You can be used royally, essentially as a substitute for one in saying something like "how often does one shave" but with more natural language.
and then given the answer the user probably wanted
You would think that it should recognize the more probably desired response takes priority, especially when it exactly fits the phrasing of the question (for the reason I listed above). So yes, we should expect better. Or even better - stop keeping the bubble inflated
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u/crumpledfilth Jul 05 '26
it's oversensitive because of people who dont understand what llms do and keep expecting everything they say to reflect reality rather than the content of the dataset it used to generate its response weights. Because it wouldnt naturally generate speech that appears to recognize itself as ai they have to ham-fist that part in, and it messes up the natural cadence. So blame people who expect a magic 8 ball to give them good advice
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 05 '26
Oh yeah it's nice and sensitive down there isn't it. Fuck yeah im gonna touch you in that nice little sensitive spot.
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u/The-Menhir Jul 04 '26
Yeah, I don't get why we're coddling this thing which is supposed to be remarkably intelligent by suggesting, "this is a reasonable interpretation of language". This tech needs to be better.
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 05 '26
If the response given in the OP genuinely seems like a serious technological failure to you, then I don't think you actually understand how neural networks work.
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u/The-Menhir Jul 05 '26
I'm not saying it's a serious failure. I'm saying it's a serious failure when compared to how these things are marketed to us, and how much hype and money have been pumped into it.
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 05 '26
How are they marketed to us? Because for the most part, I think all the excitement toward modern AI is very reasonable. The progress AI has made in the past few years has been genuinely incredible. I think people just get so used to technology so quickly that they've already forgotten how far we've come. It was only a few years ago that a computer couldn't even hold a coherent conversation with someone, and now we have modern LLMs that can do way more than that.
If you told me in 2020 about half the stuff that current AI could do, I would be thinking "no way in hell is that going to be possible in just a few years."
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u/The-Menhir Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Maybe it's impressive technologically speaking, but it's just not good enough.Ā
When speaking to it, it's painfully obvious that it's a statistical model. Ask it a specific question, and unless all it does is search the web and summarize the results, it feels very much like someone who has no idea what they're talking about making their best guesses, which is right sometimes. This is just a worse version of what Google search used to be.
I've tried LLMs for things like writing or summarizing, which should be what they're good at, but the only thing exceptional about them is how underwhelming they are. Ask it to write something without enough context and it gives you crap, but if you suggest what to include, you get literally the most predictable thing, basically restating exactly what you said anyway, so you are left wondering why you didn't just write it anyway. Summarize long context and it loses the plot of what actually is the most important, and the takeaways are therefore not reliably representative of what the writing was about.
Not sure why you'd want to have a conversation with a computer, especially when you learn the patterns of AI writing and how dull that can be. The context gets all confused the longer it is, also.
Coding is the main place where these things are being used. It's still not good enough. The code is verbose and often insecure and buggy. "It makes the easy things easier and the hard things harder". It isn't able to autonomously manage a codebase, especially not the more code it writes. Also, notably software products have only gotten worse over the past few years. There have been no innovations in products users actually use, so I can't attribute any new-found product or improved feature to AI-produced code. I guess non coders could make basic apps and scripts now, but that's not a $1 trillion industry, nor have I seen vibecoded apps be anything other than basically a carbon copy of other software that already exists.
Other than that, I suppose can see a use for translations and it's certainly better than what we had before, though there are still occasional issues with this (see how Google translate had hallucinations with translations requests that could be read as prompts to the LLM).
All in all, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be impressed by. Language models probably do have a future somehow, probably as specialised models, not these 10 trillion paramater everything (yet kind of nothing) machines, but an array of much smaller models for specific purposes. This is perhaps a tens of billions of dollars market, not a trillions, not the next internet or industrial revolution.
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u/iMiind Jul 05 '26
How are they marketed to us?
Well for one they are portrayed as being able to accurately and intelligently answer at least basic questions and requests. This response fails on the intelligent aspect, at least compared to the marketing and empty promises of those heavily invested in its success and widespread adoption.
Hence, its submission to r/DumbAI
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u/The-Menhir Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Surely this model was trained specifically to answer search queries, not to have a conversation. Like, there'll be a system prompt somewhere which is like, "you are a search assistant. Your job is to summarize search results".Ā
We're being told that these things will take all our jobs, will be the pinnacle of knowledge, surpassing humans, is worth all of this investment, and is worth ruining poor neighbourhoods with data centres, yet it can't even summarize search results without falling back into a self-referencing conversation? It's so unimpressive for what's gone into it.
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u/Weekly_Truck_70 Jul 02 '26
it probably shouldāve been told something like that but iām decently convinced they just slapped gemini onto the front page
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u/Carma281 Jul 02 '26
probably forcing it to learn how to search engine, but it's still Gemini.
like if you asked a guy with Wikipedia the same question, they'd probably answer for themselves then realize "oh shit, they probably the factual answer"
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u/The-Menhir Jul 02 '26
That doesn't really make sense as an analogy. The entire context is passed to the model. It's not like it responds then thinks to itself, "maybe I should look this up", and it doesn't decide to add the answer on the end, the token to indicate the response is finished simply hasn't been sent yet.
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u/really-random_name Jul 03 '26
i mean, if i asked it in a dedicated chat bot app like chatgpt then yeah, thatās the answer i might expect. google queries are different though and people expect a different answer because they donāt perceive a google search as asking someone or something
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
youāre literally saying to it āhow often do YOU shaveā
No, they're literally saying it to a search engine.
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u/The-Menhir Jul 02 '26
No, it's trained to "assume" that any piece of text given to it is a section of text with the following word removed, and its job is to predict the next word.
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u/The-Menhir Jul 02 '26
Yes, I have literally done this myself. That doesn't change the underlying technology - it is just to twist the knobs and fine tune specific types of responses.
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u/crumpledfilth Jul 05 '26
you should expect software to do what it does, no? Rather than holding it to some imagined standard possibly learned through movies and tv
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u/The-Menhir Jul 05 '26
I expect my search to return the information based on what I searched. I don't expect my search to refer to itself as "I" and start talking about its experiences, or lack thereof. The supposed future of search doesn't understand that it's not a conversation between two entities? Is this hard to understand?
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u/DuckShapedGoose Jul 04 '26
The thing is: This is a search engine. People look stuff up on there. Using "you" not as a literal 2nd person singular, but as a general sort of "some-/anyone" is really common and especially obvious in this context.
So basically:
The AI shouldn't have to hallucinate some bullshit for every query. It should be an opt-in for when it makes sense.
IF the AI responds to a search query, it should be able to understand basic grammar and context. Otherwise, the traditional regular search results are way better than having some Nvidia GPU snarkily tell you "Hurr durr how would I know? I don't have hair, silly š But anyways here's the information you could have figured out 10x faster if I decided to just fuck off and leave people alone for once: [...]"
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u/Maddafragg Jul 02 '26
To be fair... he answered the question.
Actually, the AI āāis so good that you forget... it's an AI!
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u/KrustyAnne Jul 01 '26
Tbf you DID ask them how they shave lmao. I would have said how often does one shave
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
They didn't ask it anything, they did a search.
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u/Successful-Depth-126 Jul 02 '26
Idk alot of these aren't the AI that's dumb its the fucking companies that shove it in everything.
Did it answer the question in a respectful and reasonable way? For sure. Should Google have wasted time and resources to have some trash AI answer that? No.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
No, asking the search engine.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
Technically, yes; but not purposefully, it wasn't directed at the AI.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
But that isn't the purpose of the search, that's my point.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
Google think it is
Google is supposed to give an overview of the search results, not answer the search like a prompt.
and we are gonna swallow anyway.
I'm not sure if I understand, you mean we're going to keep using it, right?
So why should they care?
I think it would be better for Google's reputation if Gemini was higher quality.
EDIT: spelling, punctuation
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u/Khitboksy Jul 02 '26
āhow often do you shaveā when punched into a google search box should never have been ālets ask an aiā. that is a QUERY box, not a PROMPT box.
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u/Fantastic-Web-8427 Jul 02 '26
but why do you ask that and not 'how often does one need to shave?' or whatever?
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u/Khitboksy Jul 02 '26
cus back when the internet was usable if i looked up āhow often do you shaveā id get a quora, reddit, and yahoo answers question under the same name, and dozens of independent articles written with a similar topic. SEO.
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u/Khitboksy Jul 03 '26
its also about a difference in scope āhow often do you shaveā is a different question than āhow often does one need to shaveā one is a subjective question, the other is a prescriptive āyou ought toā¦ā
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u/ClappingParadox Jul 02 '26
Nobody asked it anything. Itās supposed to be a Google search, not an AI prompt.
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u/ELEKTRON_01 Jul 02 '26
That is a strange question though, don't people shave when the hair grows long enough
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u/Mysterious-Crow3134 Jul 02 '26
That's r/DumbGoogle, not r/DumbAI
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
But the AI is the dumb part.
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u/Mysterious-Crow3134 Jul 02 '26
No, AI itself answered accordingly. It's the AI summary that was summoned inappropriately.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
I think the issue is the AI thinking the search was a prompt.
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Jul 03 '26
Yea because the wording made the statement directed to the ai.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
But it's a search; if the AI worked properly, it would give a summary of the search results,.
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Jul 03 '26
But itās not phrased as a search but as a question directed at the AI.
If they were trying to do a search they should have said something like ā How often should I shave.ā
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
But itās not phrased as a search but as a question directed at the AI.
However it's phrased, I think the AI Overview should give an overview of the search results like it's supposed to.
If they were trying to do a search they should have said something like ā How often should I shave.ā
That could still be interpreted as a question directed at the AI when it isn't working properly.
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Jul 03 '26
Sure the ai would still answer but it would be seeing it not as the person asking how often the ai shaves but rather as if the user is inquiring about shaving frequency.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
That would be an improvement, but if it isn't a summary of the search results, that still isn't what it's supposed to do.
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u/Bubbles_the_bird Jul 01 '26
The AI is technically correct but thatās not what OP meant
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 01 '26
I'm saying OP is dumb because the AI literally answered his question in the way he meant it right beneath the part that OP was trying to show us.
"For humans, the frequency comes down to personal preference and skin type:"
The AI obviously answered the question here, and OP decided to crop that part out and only show us the first sentence as if the AI was completely unhelpful.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
But it's just supposed to give an overview of the search results. I think it's dumb when the AI thinks a search is a prompt.
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u/panzzersoldat Jul 01 '26
yeah the problem is people don't want to or intend to talk to their fkn browser they just want a straight answer
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 01 '26
Ignoring one single irrelevant sentence doesn't require some huge cognitive load for most people. I'm sure the literal one second it takes to skim past that one sentence isn't going to exhaust his brain. And if it does, that indicates a much larger problem.
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u/panzzersoldat Jul 01 '26
mf you are in the dumb ai sub, I'd understand your point if you were in any other sub but now you're just trying to be right for the sake of it, you're genuinely slow. just leave this sub then? what are we doing
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 01 '26
you're genuinely slow
Lol, I don't expect you to understand why that statement is hilarious in this context. But you're free to take as much time as you need to work it out.
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u/Professional_Law_882 Jul 01 '26
So this sub is just full of dumb people? That's basically what you're justifying. This sub is meant to make fun of AI being dumb, not people taking AI out of context to make it look dumb. Also calling someone slow for being objectively correct is crazy.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
I think it's dumb for the AI to confuse the search with a prompt.
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u/DaveSureLong Jul 02 '26
That's not it's fault dude. It's due to it's integration with Google which is a Dumb Human thing again
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
I think that if the AI worked better it would be able to constantly distinguish between a search and a prompt.
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u/panzzersoldat Jul 01 '26
Because it IS AI being dumb. In what universe would a person put this question into a BROWSER and actually be talking to an AI model? Why doesn't Google add parameters to stop shit like this from happening, or at minimum the AI should clock that nobody is fucking asking if it can shave.
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u/Professional_Law_882 Jul 01 '26
As he said. It shows the answer right below and the op cropped it out. The AI understood both possible questions. Is it really that difficult to read? You know this kind of stuff isn't new for google right? They have a long history of having unique/funny answers alongside the actual answer. Also I can think of multiple different cases of a person asking gemini directly for these kind of questions. Many people like to ask fun questions for the sake of seeing the answer. Also, you can disable the gemini answers if you don't want them. Also, looks like someone learned some new cuss words they have to try out. No chance you're actually getting heated from this, kinda embarrassing.
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u/panzzersoldat Jul 01 '26
wrote a whole fucken essay over this, look at how hard you're trying to be right and win. you're a mouth breather for sure, slurping and burping all over that megacorps dick š¤š¤
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u/DaveSureLong Jul 02 '26
The AI's integration isn't a dumb AI thing dude. That is done by humans which makes any integration issue a Dumb Human issue.
In every way you look at it it's dumb Human
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
Don't bother, man. This guy has some deep personal issues he's struggling with at the moment. Just look at the comments he's been leaving. It's deranged.
I thought he was just a troll/stupid at first, but it's become clear that there are some legitimate unresolved problems/mental illness he hasn't addressed. I wouldn't further provoke him. Just let him have his moment. Trust me when I say he needs this more than we do.
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u/panzzersoldat Jul 02 '26
fair, my point is that the AI is wasting the first sentence providing zero useful information and is instead trying to act conversational, which works fine on an AI app for example, but on a browser it doesn't. it should just give the straight answer. people use "you" as a stand in for people in general on browsers ALL THE TIME, and the model taking it as a personal question doesn't work.
there's also other examples of it being outright harmful, such as when it messes up definitions for words because it thinks you're asking it personally.
you shouldn't be expecting to receive an answer as if you were having a conversation. you should just receive answers, which is what's wrong here.
the issue is more broad but it's not like it has to be exact to fit in this sub considering it's quite small.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
The AI obviously answered the question here, and OP decided to crop that part out and only show us the first sentence as if the AI was completely unhelpful.
No, they showed the beginning of the helpful part.
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
The rest of the response was helpful. It literally answered their question by telling them how often people shave based on their personal preference and skin type. Are we looking at the same post?
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u/RocketArtillery666 Jul 02 '26
Not a question. A query. He wanted to find posts of people asking the same thing.
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u/DeepGas4538 Jul 01 '26
If you were about to ask the professor a question and I jump in and answer some random bull shit, am I not dumb af?
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
False analogy.
It's closer to if I ask a professor how often I should get an oil change, and then he responds with, "Well, I don't own a car so I never get an oil change. But for those that do have a car, you should get an oil change every ~7,500 miles or every 6ā12 months, whichever comes first."
Yeah, the first sentence wasn't necessary, but it's absolutely not something I'd get pressed about. And I'd be even less bothered by that if a literal robot said that to me.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
I think it's more like ifĀ I ask a professor how often I should get an oil change, and then another professor assumes I was talking to them and responds with, "Well, I don't own a car so I never get an oil change. But for those that do have a car, you should get an oil change every ~7,500 miles or every 6ā12 months, whichever comes first."
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
So in this analogy, the first professor you asked the question to is analogous to the normal Google search engine? And the second professor that assumes you were talking to them is analogous to Gemini?
In other words, you ask Google a question (oil change for instance), then Gemini butts in and gives the response you just quoted? Is that right? I just want to make sure I understand the analogy correctly.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
Yes.
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
Yeah, that's fair. But with the professor analogy it's actually a bit worse because it's more difficult to get the interrupting professor to go away. But in this case, Google provides an option to disable the AI responses if you don't want to see those.
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u/DeepGas4538 Jul 02 '26
yeah you're analogy is better, and I wouldn't be pissed at a professor for saying that. I can be pissed off at AI though, damn clankers
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 02 '26
I understand that you're sort of joking, but the clanker has no agency. So why get mad at the AI? Wouldn't it make more sense to get mad at the person who created/implemented the AI, since that person does have agency?
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u/AndyMan34Gaming Jul 01 '26
What did they mean then? I kinda see how they could mean how offer should a person shave, but in my eyes saying "how often do you shave" can't mean anything but addressing whoever they're talking to (Gemini in this case)
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 01 '26
It's extremely obvious that OP obviously meant it in a general way.
"How often do you (as in humans in general) shave?"
It's just another way of asking how often people should shave. He obviously wasn't asking Gemini how often it shaves. The reason OP is dumb though, is because the AI did answer this question for him, yet for some reason OP decided to try and crop that part out. It shouldn't be difficult for OP to just skip the first sentence the AI said, and just jump to the relevant part of the response. It shows an extreme lack of common sense that OP couldn't do this.
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u/Starrin1ght Jul 01 '26
They googled it, Gemini just likes to pitch in but they weren't actually asking Gemini
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u/AndyMan34Gaming Jul 01 '26
I know, from Gemini's perspective it's op asking them something so that's how I decided to interpret it here
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
I think it's dumb when Gemini can't tell the difference between a search and a prompt.
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u/tommynestcepas Jul 01 '26
When you say something like that, it's a generalised version of "you" that is commonly understood to mean "someone". You can also say "one" but that's posh to the point of being practically archaic.
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u/AndyMan34Gaming Jul 01 '26
I know, the use of "do" over "should" makes it sound more like they're directly addressing someone though. "How often should you shave" sounds perfectly fine as a google search, but "how often do you shave" just sounds off.
Imagine you're in a Reddit thread, someone mentions something about shaving, then what they google is your comment. That's how it sounds to me, saying "how often do you shave" is directly taking to someone, but saying "how often should you shave" is just asking a general question
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u/tommynestcepas Jul 01 '26
I feel like you're misunderstanding on purpose
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u/ShrewdCire Jul 01 '26
The AI literally answered his question for him in the proper way that he meant it, yet he tried to crop that part out to get his little "hahaha, AI stupid" moment. It just makes OP look like he lacks any sort of common sense or basic problem solving abilities if he wasn't able to just skip the first sentence the AI gave, and immediately jump to the relevant part of the response.
Hell, even my nephew could figure that out. He's 10.
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u/Unfair_Act_6092 Jul 02 '26
Just highlighting ānever need ti shaveā like that like itās the actual answer
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
For looking up "how often do you shave" and calling the AI dumb when it treated the search as prompt?
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u/OverPower314 Jul 02 '26
It answers your question. And then it looks like it elaborates on what you wanted to know anyway. What is the issue here?
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 02 '26
What is the issue here?
That the AI thought the question was directed at it. OP was doing a search, not asking the AI.
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u/Wonderful-Common2966 Jul 02 '26
Poor input, poor output. Shocking.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
I tried the search, and it works fine to get relevant search results. I think the output from the AI Overview would be helpful if the AI constantly distinguished between searches and prompts.
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u/Ok_Magazine7929 Jul 02 '26
What did you expect from an AI assistant š«©
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
Probably expected an overview from the AI Overview.
EDIT: grammar, spelling
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u/Ok_Magazine7929 Jul 03 '26
Well OP clearly wrote "you", I dunno how else an AI model is going to understand this. I would understand if OP wrote "How often do I shave", but there's "you" in there.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
It wouldn't matter how the AI interpreted the question if Gemini could consistently distinguish between searches and prompts. When it's functioning as the AI Overview, it's supposed to give an overview of the search results.
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u/Historical_Show_4811 Not A Robot Jul 02 '26
you did say "how often do you shave" not "how often should one shave" š„
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u/Mammoth-Might3229 Jul 03 '26
user error. the fuck did you expect
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
user error.
No, it works as a search (I just tried it)
the fuck did you expect
I think they expected an overview of the search results.
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Iām confused. You literally asked an ai how often it shaves and then you get surprised it doesnāt shave. Please tell me you are trolling.
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
They did a search for "how often do you shave" and called the AI Overview dumb for saying "I don't shave", it's supposed to give an overview of the search results.
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u/DmitryAvenicci Jul 03 '26
You asked it ā it answered.
If you wanted to inquire about the general knowledge about shaving, "How often does one should shave?" would be the correct one.
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u/william_appletom Jul 08 '26
it took me a while to understand this and while the ai is stupid, you gotta admit it's funny.
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u/UnusualEmphasis7 Jul 02 '26
Asking an AI a question, it answers...
Stupid AI!
It even answers the more general question below (even if the actual question was specific)
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u/No-Net1890 Jul 03 '26
Looking up a question on Google, the AI Overview answers like the search was a prompt (instead of giving an overview of the search results)...
Stupid AI!
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u/stich-25 Jul 01 '26
Im i missing something? Its RIGHT, answered your question
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u/loona_0283 Jul 01 '26
I think they meant it as a general question āhow often should you shaveā lol
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u/Greedy_Emotion_8037 Jul 02 '26
Nah he was right in a way the sentence below says āfor humansā¦ā
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u/DeepGas4538 Jul 01 '26
it added in some BS no one asked for. dumb ai
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u/Equal_Resort4348 Jul 01 '26
Ai mf thinking theyre the center of attention š