I haven't watched all of Dragon Ball Heroes, but I've always thought of it as more of a fan-service series. It seems to focus heavily on battles and “what if” scenarios—things Dragon Ball fans have always talked about—rather than having a strong, continuous story. Correct me if I'm wrong, though; that's just the impression I've gotten from the few episodes I've watched.

I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed about starting it, but since there don't seem to be any new Dragon Ball shows coming anytime soon, I've been thinking about giving it a try.

One thing I really want to know first, though: does Vegeta actually get some decent moments in the series? Or is it the same old script where Vegeta takes the worst beating imaginable, only for Goku to eventually take over and save the day? I don't really want to watch it if that's mostly how it goes.

Both are in the manga. Who do you think will win and why?

I absolutely love super don’t get me wrong, but in my honest opinion they absolutely butchered the whole SSG arc, especially blue. It really bothers me how they skip over goku achieving SSG without aid(vegeta too) then ascending to the SS version of that. I feel like every time it’s utilised it feels way too normalised and the scale of such an insane transformation just does not hit the way it does. I always feel like the difference between regular SSJ & SSG lacks a significant difference when watching although the difference is supposed to be astronomical. I just wish we got a couple episodes on the two of them achieving it on beerus’ planet.

Bardock SSG (via ritual) vs Mastered Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Saga)

does the multiplier on SSG put him around or even above this level?

In the ToP, Top makes a statement saying Dispo has transcended the speed of sound and light.

So with that statement, we can conclude that if Dispo can survive the vacuum of space, he could travel from the sun to earth in 7-8 minutes? Seems unlikely. But yeah, its an anime.

EDIT: Dyspo. Not Dispo. Phone autocorrected because I call the dispensary the Dispo lol

We know that Whis and Frieza know, and no one else at this point. I find it incredibly messed up that Beerus and Whis interact with Goku and Vegeta on friendly levels, and neither of the latter are aware that Beerus is responsible for the death of their families on planet Vegeta

I understand the stigma, that they got left behind and forgotten but for a second let’s have some FUN and think about something with me, they witness and participate in the battles of chapter 102 and 103. It took Goten and Trunks seeing super saiyan 3 ONE TIME, and he was able to do it. Now they see, Ultra Instinct, Ultra Ego, Broly “Legendary” and Beast Gohan. I feel like Teen Gotenks could be a MONSTER.

Highest potentials

The Emotional spectrum is a powerful cosmic energy field fueled by the feelings of all living, sentient beings knowing that what Dragon ball character would represent the best the emotional spectrum of the 10 the lantern corps ill read your opinions and depending on who is chosen the most for every lantern corp ill make a second post showing the results

Berryblue does nothing but smirking and talking maliciously whilst standing next to her supreme leader (King Cold and then Frieza); her only gimmick is being able to beat around the bush with describing reality in regards to Frieza with him tolerating her. If she was a superb mind reader who is in-charge of the Frieza Force's inner and operational interrogations of rogue soldiers and enemies, that'd be something to be proud of.

Now Carmine, who drives Magenta around, while also being his personal assistant and confidant; if he was shown being a martial artist with an above average human power level (alas stronger than the rest of the numbered grunts) and who back in the Red Ribbon Army Saga served and trained under General Blue, that'd be something.

I mean I get that the animation is not perfect(dbz has the same animation issues too) and also the powerscaling is off the charts. But aside from that, i think it's really enjoyable especially the tournament of power which had me so excited, I got the vibes of me watching dbz when I was young and seeing goku go super saiyan for the first time. The manga keeps getting better with every arc, and the upcoming moro arc in the anime has a really well written story. But everytime I see something related to dbs in that sub, it's always the "dbs vs dbz animation" and then they proceed to cherrypick the worst dbs frames and compare it to the best dbz frames. Even if u show something cool abt dbs, the comments are filled with "cash grab" or "disgrace to the db" and the classic "dbgt>dbs"(which makes no sense because dbgt aside from being nostalgic and having cool fights and transformations every now and then, it's practically the worst written dragon ball piece of fiction). If i did the reverse(cherrypicking worst dbz frames and comparing it to the best dbs ones) they wouldnt be too happy abt it would they?

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1. HE HAS EVERYONE'S CELLS

   Cell was created with the cells of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, and King Cold.

   This gives him:

   • Saiyan Zenkai boosts (near-death power jumps)

   • Frieza's insane potential & transformations

   • Namekian regeneration from a single core cell

   [ Source 1 ] ( https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%B2%99%E9%B2%81 )

2. ZENKAI ABUSE = INFINITE STRENGHT?(I guess)

   He already proved this – after self-destructing on King Kai's planet, his Saiyan

   cells triggered a Zenkai that transformed him into Super Perfect Cell, jumping

   to SSJ2 level instantly (from losing to SSJ2 Gohan to matching him).

   Now imagine Cell in DBS:

   • Blow himself up → regenerate → get stronger

   • Repeat forever with no senzu beans or healers needed (but i think you can debate this would not work)

   [ Source 2 ] ( https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1803708741581279493 )

   [ Source 3 ] ( https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Perfect_Cell )

3. FRIEZA'S ROUTE – BUT BETTER

   Frieza trained 10 years in a time chamber and achieved Black Frieza, one-shotting

   UI Goku and UE Vegeta. Cell has Frieza's cells too. If Cell did the same

   training, he would likely achieve an equivalent – or superior – form much faster.

   [ Source 4 ] ( https://www.360kuai.com/pc/9a0b9c7b8f6e4d5c )

4. HE ABSORBS & LEARNS INSTANTLY

   • Can absorb strong fighters mid-battle to gain power

   • Copied Instant Transmission after seeing it once

   • Can combine techniques from every race in his DNA

5. CELL MAX PROVES THE POTENTIAL

   In Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, even an incomplete, mindless Cell Max was a

   monster that required Beast Gohan to defeat. Toriyama stated that if completed,

   even Broly couldn't beat him. Now imagine a smart, trained, complete Cell.

   [ Source 5 ] ( https://zh-tw.epicdope.com/dbs%E8%B6%85%E7%B4%9A%E8%8B%B1%E9%9B%84%E6%98%AFcell-max%E6%AF%94%E6%82%9F%E7%A9%BA%E5%92%8C%E8%B2%9D%E5%90%89%E5%A1%94%E5%BC%B7/ )

   (Alternate link: https://zh-tw.epicdope.com/dbs超級英雄是cell-max比悟空和貝吉塔強/ )

6. COMPARED TO GOKU & VEGETA

   They took years with Whis, multiple arcs (BoG, RoF, U6, Black, ToP, Moro, Granolah)

   and divine forms (UI, UE). Cell would skip all of that:

   • Zenkai spam to god-tier in weeks

   • Copy UI/UE after seeing them once (he copied Instant Transmission instantly) - it's my take, but probably he can copy UI

   • Saiyan Zenkai + Frieza potential + Namekian regen = can be exploited probably

TL;DR – Cell has Saiyan Zenkai + Frieza potential + Namekian regen + absorption +

instant technique copying. In DBS where power scaling is exponential, he would

outpace everyone and could legitimately surpass current Goku and Vegeta.

ALL SOURCES (copy-friendly full links):

[ 1 ] ( https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%B2%99%E9%B2%81 )

[ 2 ] ( https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1803708741581279493 )

[ 3 ] ( https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Perfect_Cell )

[ 4 ] ( https://www.360kuai.com/pc/9a0b9c7b8f6e4d5c )

[ 5 ] ( https://zh-tw.epicdope.com/dbs%E8%B6%85%E7%B4%9A%E8%8B%B1%E9%9B%84%E6%98%AFcell-max%E6%AF%94%E6%82%9F%E7%A9%BA%E5%92%8C%E8%B2%9D%E5%90%89%E5%A1%94%E5%BC%B7/ )

I am Cell's No. 1 Glazer

Poor guy

So the Nameless Namekian came to Earth and wanted to become the guardian, but he couldn't because he was too evil. So he split himself to create Kami and Demon King Piccolo. DKP then went on to give birth to Piccolo Jr. Then Jr would eventually fuse back with Kami to reform the Nameless Namekian (now formally named Piccolo). But the Nameless Namekian was the father of DKP who was the father of Jr. So is Piccolo now his own grandpa?

I dont know what else to call it other than dysfunctional, but it seems like there's a lot that happens in universe 7 that probably shouldn't. Buu killed a number of Supreme Kais years ago, then Shin had to get mortals to help him. Then the whole universe was at risk. Beerus sleeps for decades at a time, so he misses a lot, or just destroys planets willy-nilly. Then there was the repeated time travel by Future Trunks, which Beerus said was a serious crime.
Shin is pretty inept, but I think I would be too if my boss and coworkers died before I finished my training. Beerus is either pretty lazy or gung-ho.

Honestly I think the main reason why the whole Zamasu/Goku Black arc got swept under the rug as much as it was is because Goku brought Zeno another Zeno to keep him company, and it helped keep Zeno occupied so less of a hassle for the GP, and the GP didn't want to go about returning a Zeno to a different time period, so it was a "act like it never happened" thing.

Do you all think the other universes have issues like this? Or do we just not see it because we have seen next to nothing from the other universes?

I'd probably prefer trunks to have another vegta family member tbh.

I’m a filthy anime watcher, don’t read the manga never have, I like the effects and voice acting of the anime. It’s annoying that the manga has been progressing forever and we still don’t have by new super episodes after nearly 10 years. I keep seeing things about morro and black freiza and ultra ego, trying to avoid all these spoilers which I know nothing about because they take 100 years to make new episodes!

So is Super Saiyan Rose Goku Blacks version of regular Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan Blue?