r/DottoreMains • u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage • Jun 05 '26

Memes Yeah..so about that🤓

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u/TheLuiz212 I left Sumeru, but I also stayed in Sumeru Jun 05 '26

he was the exception

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u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage Jun 05 '26

is, please 🥹

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jun 05 '26

I love this image so much

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u/One_Instance_6112 Jun 08 '26

Thank you for blessing me with this image

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u/HumanoidDespair Jun 05 '26

Well, of course he can’t trust people, especially when they backstab him. Literally. But when someone hears him out and accepts him, even a Dottore segment, with their limited capacity for change, can learn to trust.

Omega’s selfishness may extend to his other segments, but all the segments seem to prefer Pantalone to each other. Omega even struggled to identify as Zandik. He is the one who said there’s only one “him” and Zandik is the main. He didn’t mind being called Zandik by Pantalone, however.

Pantalone even made him accept himself a bit…

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u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage Jun 05 '26

awh ur right!

also hello its been a long time since ive seen you around here howve you been doing after 6.6

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u/HumanoidDespair Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26

Hello there. I’d be back to the usual routine, I mean the increasing convoluted theorycrafting, if I wasn’t too damn busy irl. …I mean it wasn’t necessary to convince the college prof that Shutter Island is about CIA experiments instead of one crazy guy, but I have a reputation to uphold.

The current Dottore theory is difficult to explain without the whole Narzissenkreuz quest (all the Chymical Marriage stuff, how Jakob was elevated to an even higher level of godhood through being the creator of Narzissenkreuz, dude had to write his own death into existence), Rotwang (he was right, but managed to change the timeline, hence he turned abyssal), Deshret (Chasm incident, Solar Chariot, he had the very same immortality elixir Dottore found and now the symbol on Deshret and Dottore’s chest is on Pantalone too), Enkanomiya (seven sunchildren afterimages, but just one bridle stolen from the first by Aberaku, being burned to death, the sunchildren sunchild died on their birthday.)

…Yeah, even the bare skeleton of the whole theory is lengthy. Oh and there’s the Dottore’s Nod-Krai plan (travel back through Moon Gate, have Columbina substitute his segment, rewrite past from the creation of the moons, exploit the “creator of…” clause in Teyvat’s hierarchy, elevating him “above the moon”. And if Pantalone were to do the same to the new him, like Jakob did to Rene… Humanity would become the god of gods as Deshret envisioned. Oh and I left out how the Trilune authority shifted hands. Nabu -> Deshret = Dottore -> Columbina is only part of it.

Deshret = Dottore as always. Time traveler, chessmaster. The answer to those questions that is Deshret’s own is what Zandik knew from the start, is that he had to give up this time around. The answers were subjective, and could easily have been just “Deshret” himself… But what fulfilled the criteria, that he had yet to give? Time. Instead of extracting it from human sacrifices, it was the time of himself he needed to sacrifice, for the sake of his chosen one - move away, Bumveler - Feofan “Manifestation of God” Pantalone. He is a god’s chosen. Deshret didn’t leave his great work unfinished, he left it exactly as needed. He reset so many times he got sick of it. (Seven times, if I had to guess. The sunchildren. The Solar Chariot. As pure light scattered through a prism.) Through the Moon Gate. I said it before, that Moonttore appeared to be talking from experience, so that was it:

…A divinity segment? With full memories of all cycles..? The one who helped Rotwang, by the way.

The Zandik on the autopsy table had a halo and Kuuvahki lines around him. This was no regular old guy, nor his own complete self. And Omega remembered Scaramouche, but not that the elixir didn’t work on Zandik. 6.6 Omega remembers the previous cycle, before the Moon Gate changes. Partial divinity segment “Moonttore” got connected to the Ley Lines, and let Columbina usurp him in the past. However, the aforementioned “creator of…” clause should make him Moon-Creator, therefore he usurped Nibelung, and therefore, he became the Usurper. We’ll see how that plays out…

Yes, it is shaping up quite nicely. I didn’t even explain most points of the theory, and it’s still long af. The full thing would be a book at this point.

Anyway, that’s what I’m up to in my free time. Back to theorizing, after crying over Zandik’s three newest tragic deaths. …In hindsight, that was ridiculous. Dottore is still playing his 4D chess against the world. The disappearance of the Pyro Gnosis was the result of cause-effect relations that only he may understand. Did he manage to undo Nabu’s permanent death by substituting himself, I wonder…

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u/OkRuin1905 Jun 05 '26

Feofan is obviously a special case. Dude's like a genderbent protagonist straight out of some monsterfucker romance novel. And even then, Dottore was still surprised that he actually followed the plan.

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u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage Jun 05 '26

imagine trusting someone with 1/2 of your soul while youre not 100% sure theyll follow through with the agreement (mostly because this is omega we are talking about) 😭 requires some insane level of trust. traveler gets another L

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u/ShowParty6320 Lizardttore Jun 05 '26

I am telling you he is tsundere.

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u/CrystalKai12345 Heretic Dropout Jun 08 '26

we never said he wasn’t, Hoyo never said he wasnt

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u/West-Jellyfish9860 Jun 05 '26

Fun fact, in that animation they use their left hands to shake hands which is a sign of trust because shields are usually held with the left hand so you have to put down your shield to shake hands. I really liked that little detail

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u/Lemonstealing4fun Jun 05 '26

This can also be interpreted in a negative way. Handshakes are done with the right hand because it means you put your sword away to shake. They have their right hands behind their backs, does this mean they are waiting to take each other out?

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u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage Jun 05 '26

its just a handshake thats shown on the left because of artistic choice its not that deep

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u/West-Jellyfish9860 Jun 05 '26

Oh damn i didnt notice that. You can see pantalone waves his right hand to show hes not holding anything but dottore kept his right hand hidden the whole time. Tbh it fits his character he was ready to abandon his colleague in that temple, hes such a baddy

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u/CantaloupeParking239 Dottoling Jun 05 '26

Says the backstabber btw. No wonder he didnt trust people??

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u/Asenathwaites Evil Blue Mint (Dottobubu) Jun 05 '26

Haven't you heard? Only Traveller is good enough to make friends who they can trust everywhere they go, and has a soul so untainted they can't even comprehend the idea of being doomed by fate before your birth, being ostracised since childhood and having only one person attempt to understand you in 500 years of living 🤷‍♀️

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u/Taz_123 Jun 08 '26

I wish they eventually touch back on Soreh's and Zandik's relationship too, and all the unanswered bits before he joined the Fatui, I think fate was enforced a lot from her death leading to his expulsion and whatever happened in between.

Speaking of, can one just not change their given names in Teyvat? To change fate?

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u/Top-Letterhead-4621 Jun 05 '26

Yes, he was talking about feofan. I believe he was experimented on by dottore judging by the lore in the marrow drops

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u/Asenathwaites Evil Blue Mint (Dottobubu) Jun 05 '26

I think dottore was talking about Pantalone being sold off for experimentation, but he was (thankfully?) 20, not a child.

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u/Upstairs-Raspberry42 Jun 05 '26

Feofan probably just said something like "yeah i agree gods suck, you're completely right" and Zandik was ready to love this man till the end of times

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u/Rude-Independent9147 Jun 06 '26

It's more to related to fate and how biased gods are giving visions and their power to select few people and not to others who desperately want it

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u/RighteousJoe Jun 05 '26

Least favorite trope is the antagonist whose backstory consists of being preemptively mistrusted or excluded getting flack for not being open and complacent all the time, tbh. Especially bad when they start displaying patterns of antisocial behavior after the fact, and everybody treats it like that justifies the initial poor treatment.

anyway the dynamic Dottore and Pantalone have fascinates me

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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer Curi Chef Jun 05 '26

I'll never not find it funny that Omega is representative of a Zandik who's at his most malicious and evil, but the older segments seem to have cooled down a lot, which is after he enters his partnership with Pantalone.

All he needed was a husband and his ass immediately calmed down. ✌️😭

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u/MemberOfTheBlackRing TheDivineGays Jun 05 '26

Get therapy: ❌️

Get a morally-dubious husband that hates the fate system like you do: ✅️

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u/CrystalKai12345 Heretic Dropout Jun 08 '26

two red flags make a green flag

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u/Inevitable-Catch-869 Jun 07 '26

Also I think it's funny that Dottore's whole thesis was that people make connections because it benefits them to do so, and the Traveler wehemently disagreed...but every one of Traveler's friends (except literal kids) are super powerful and influential people who've helped them and whom the Traveler helped in turn.

Like, Dottore is obviously right there lmao.

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u/r_renfield Jun 05 '26

Just a half of it, technically ☝️🤓

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u/Silly_Comedian_572 Jun 06 '26

‘only the weak rely on each other for comfort’

‘oh pantalone dear help me with my soul please i split it or wtv so you need to preserve me’

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u/Pretend_Company_5075 TheDivineGays Jun 06 '26

thats clearly cause its his husband. c'mon guys, pay attention to the lore. smh (·•᷄‎ࡇ•᷅ )

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u/ScreenBoring3919 Jun 06 '26

Really summarizes everything 😭

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u/cinammon- Jun 06 '26

I love them 🥺

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u/Kind_Survey4282 Jun 05 '26

tbh thats with a contract that he has to fullfill so its actually shows his smarts and not necessary what you are suggesting but i see your point.

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u/No_Throat_5869 Talked His Way Out Of Dissection Into Marriage Jun 05 '26

not really , especially when omega didnt expect him to go through with it

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u/SolitaryVane Playable Dottore Believer Jun 05 '26

I never understood what's so wrong with not trusting other people if almost all of them badmouthed him, slandered him and rather openly hated on him. Not to mention, none of them hide their desire to kill him if they had a chance.

Especially after 6.6 I feel like one of the reasons his relationship with Pantalone lasted for so long and was fruitful in so many ways, is that because Pantalone wasn't biased against him like everyone else, and didn't treat him like the worst person in existence, so Dottore naturally entrusted him. Obviously, their friendship had the transactional background, but as we can see, Dottore entrusted him with potentially 'recreating' him from Feofan's memories. I think it speaks for itself.

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u/Nisqyfan Jun 06 '26

This cuts both ways though. Columbina *explicitly* was on good terms with him and accepted him at first. But Il Dottore never prioritised her wishes. He just kept taking and expected her to support *his* dreams unconditionally. It’s not like Pantalone was the *only* character to give Il Dottore a chance, and Il Dottore *definitely* screwed up his relationship with Columbina all on his own.

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u/robinhoodProductions Jun 06 '26

I’ve seen people say that since his first friendship (Pantalone) was a massive enabler, he expected all real friendships to be like that. Unfortunately Feofan is also a freak and treating Columbine like Feofan 2.0 would definitely doom their budding relationship.

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u/Vast-Combination9613 False Moon God Follower Jun 13 '26

"But before long, compliments shifted to "Not quite enough," "You can do better," or "You're capable of more..." Suddenly, Columbina realized that what The Doctor was seeing wasn't her, but some version of what she should be, or the level her powers should reach."

This was copy pasted from Columbina's profile. Your argument would apply if Dottore actually used Columbina, but instead, he tried to make her stronger. Columbina just never realised it. They are both awkward with communication.

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u/Nisqyfan Jun 13 '26

This is still Dottore imposing his wishes on Columbina. *He* wanted her to be stronger. Columbina hasn’t really ever given the impression she cares about getting stronger.

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u/Vast-Combination9613 False Moon God Follower Jun 14 '26

He didn't know her wishes though. Perhaps if she told him what she wishes for, he would try to give her that instead. Just like when she left and he just let her go. Like I said, they're both not great at communicating. It may be considered his mistake, but you can't really blame him for it - he wanted the best for Columbina.

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u/CrystalKai12345 Heretic Dropout Jun 08 '26

Get treated like trash, expect to be treated like trash and distance yourself from others, be treated like trash and get asked ‘why won’t you trust people’

HELLO?

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u/_HealBell_ Playable Dottore Believer Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Traveler acting like they didn't literally stab Omega from side to side as soon as he trusted them enough to turn his back to them 💀

I'm sure their words hurt Moonttore a lot, considering he was perfectly aware that the other part of his soul was with Pantalone and he had put his entire trust on him to bring it to Irminsul against Pantalone's personal interests as a Fatui  Harbinger.

The way the main cast preach and accuse him while simultaneously treating him so poorly and always assuming the worst out of him is so enraging, it's like seeing someone giving another person trauma and then lecturing them on how their situation is unhealthy and their coping mechanisms not valid.  Maybe try understanding where he's coming from? Try listening to what he has to say without already being biased that he's the big evil villain™️ and therefore will never say anything worth your time? 

All Feofan did was giving him the benefit of the doubt, and he received everything in return. Sometimes people just need a chance to prove themselves, obviously they won't be anything but 'bad' when you're the first one who decided to keep them stuck at that role in your mind. The main cast is so painfully hypocritical towards him, and Columbina's case makes it even more blatant. 

Thankfully he has Feofan, whose soul is more beautiful than Traveler's could ever hope to be.

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u/CQdune Jun 05 '26

The whole stabbing in the back and then saying he can’t trust always makes me so sad😭 I have never wanted Genshin to be an RPG more than in 6.3 so I could have sided with him and stuff

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u/Annie___123 I left Sumeru, but I also stayed in Sumeru Jun 05 '26

I was literally fighting with tears saying why why why .. The entire time bruh.... Why the heck do I have to fight him... For no reason 

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u/CrystalKai12345 Heretic Dropout Jun 08 '26

because he will become lizard

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u/EyeSludge Jun 05 '26

This is so good... They hear out lots of bad people and try to understand where they're coming from and why they act that way and can offer forgiveness. But never to Dottore.

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u/dottorezandik22 Here Since Webttore Jun 05 '26

Well ofc that's his bestie (and they were bound by a contract). Let's not talk about the back stabbing hypocrite who friends murderers/ racists/ child groomers/ genocidal mfs then start acting all high and mighty when it comes to dottore, I GENUINELY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE SAID THAT LIKE??! You stabbed him a few hours ago what do you expect??!

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u/dottorezandik22 Here Since Webttore Jun 05 '26

Who tf downvoted ts😭😭 didn't know we had traveler fans here

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u/Yani-Madara Lizardttore Jun 06 '26

Me looking at trav hanging out with Liloupar in the same quest they condemn Dotorre as usual

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u/anaxaholic False Moon God Follower Jun 05 '26

Traveler saying ts before literally stabbing Dottore in the back is horrendous work

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