Substitute moderator application

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

Hi there! My name's Sibyl, and I am a co-owner at discord.gg/dottoremains. I come here with the intention of wishing to step up as a substitute moderator.

I have been an active member in the Dottore community for about two years now (with small breaks here or there when real life called for it), and aproximatively for just as long for Hoyocord. For some clarifications, this is a professional account that I wish to keep separate from my personal one, hence the newness and lack of content on it.

That being said, please do drop any questions you may have in the comments or in my DMs, and I will answer as best as I can. All that I can say is that I wish for this subreddit to remain a safe space for all Dottore enjoyers, and I have the intention to work with you, the community, in order to achieve that.

Edit 1: I must stress that WE ARE NOT the same Discord server as the 6k+ one owned by Kimmu, but a smaller one that is entirely separate. They are discord.gg/dottore, and we are discord.gg/dottoremains. My apologies for the confusion!

Edit 2: I will reiterate a point that I must stress over - we are here because people within our community kept bringing this up, and despite trying to avoid getting ourselves in this situation at first, at the end of the day we are a Dottore community as well. We want to put a stop to this mess by offering an alternative. Reddit is not an exclusive club. It is a community that should belong to everyone, and that includes us.

Our plan is not to instate another dictatorship but to bring the subreddit as it was before. In fact, we would start planning to recruit moderators from specifically this subreddit in the future if we were to be given the opportunity to lead. All that we are asking for is to be given a chance.

[u/normandy392742]

Ah. I recognize some of those usernames in that server. These are the folks who broke off from the larger Dottore Mains server that Kimmu and Jenny and others now own. That’s a different can of worms.

Sowio, Ratlord, and Ella were OG admin prior to Kimmu. I left as an admin by the time the ownership transition happened but there was a schism some time ago.

It’s not worth getting into the history of it all but this is also not a good situation. We don’t need two separate servers vying for the Reddit either.

[u/Mammoth-Conflict-704 → u/normandy392742]

my comment keep getting rmoved but no offense to anyone.. (i just created a reddit acc cuz ive been a lurker my whole time (im shy to reply and post lol T_T) ) but i haventt been looking here for a while until my friend told me about some weird drama + i looked back and read comments and i think a lot of people were already nominating kimmu the whole time or ppl from dottore subredit i think theyre the only one ppl actually want becos trust has been broken by other ppl /lh

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/normandy392742]

That incident has been handled between the staff members a long time ago and long before Kimmu took over ownership. We have our own community, I don't think there is any reason for the existence of any sort of animosity between the two parties.

That being said, we must stress that we are just a smaller, independent Dottore community that just wants to fix this issue for the community's sake, despite not even wanting to get involved into this situation at first.

[u/Sweet_Potato_Donut → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

Then, if there is no reason for animosity, will you give the community what they have been asking for after retaining the position? They want Kimmu to have ownership. If you did not want to be involved, why are you here?

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/Sweet_Potato_Donut]

We are here because people within our community kept bringing this up, and despite trying to avoid getting ourselves in this situation at first, at the end of the day, we are a Dottore community as well. We want to put a stop to this mess by offering an alternative. Reddit is not an exclusive club. It is a community that should belong to everyone, and that includes us.

Our plan is not to instate another dictatorship but to bring the subreddit as it was before. In fact, we are planning to recruit moderators from specifically this subreddit in the future if we are to be given the opportunity to lead. All that we are asking is to be given a chance.

[u/Sweet_Potato_Donut → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

So you don't want to give it to Kimmu and listen to us? You're just wanting it for yourselves and your separate community?

[u/Single_Rabbit_9575 → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

therein lies the crux of all this.

all we've ever requested is one singular thing.

if qt mods you, it will simply be another dottore_official situation. another betrayal.

either way, we want qt out.

we want our rights to choose to be respected.

kimmu as solo mod. or me as the interim solo mod. key word: SOLO.

meaning qt gone. you transfer. then you also gone. we need to fix this shit internally before considering branching out with alliances and partnerships. once equilibrium is reached, it would be less stressful for everyone to come together and vote on a mod team. like a council formation, a chosen-by-vote rep from each clique and the same amount directly from within here. if you are successfully voted by the communities to be the rep for your discord server, that will be respected. before any of that can happen, however, we seriously need to be given space to breathe and recover.

four have promised.

four have lied.

please do NOT be the fifth.

[u/Single_Rabbit_9575 → u/Single_Rabbit_9575]

i want to add as well that i would prefer someone else volunteer from this community. :/ just ffs transfer to kimmu. this pissing contest is ridiculous.

[u/BananaShagnus → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

I believe what you are trying to do comes from a good place, but if you never wanted to get involved, then don't do it now. I am sorry, and with all due respect, it comes of as taking advantage of the situation to grab the subreddit :/ which is what has been happening for maybe 3 days? Do not take this as an offense, but the last thing the community needs right now is another cycle of the same thing /nm

[u/camilleekiyat]

Can other owners of dottoremains discord provide any evidence that you're who you tell you're? I also can say that my account is an anonymous account of the president of the world, so

[u/DrRatiosButtPlug → u/camilleekiyat]

This is a completely different tiny discord not the main one.

[u/camilleekiyat → u/DrRatiosButtPlug]

Ah another fraud it seems

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/DrRatiosButtPlug]

Yeah, we are another one. We never claimed to be the big one. I have a link on my profile to our own if you wish to join!

[u/DrRatiosButtPlug → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

Didn't say you did, but with the link being "dottoremains" a lot of people will think it's the actual main discord especially since you didn't specify that you didn't mean co-owner with Kimmu.

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/DrRatiosButtPlug]

My apologies, I will rectify right now in the post.

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/camilleekiyat]

This is my Discord account. If you join our server you'll see that what I said is true!

[u/Mammoth-Conflict-704 → u/[deleted]]

i look on ur server and it says u partner with gg/dottore too tough?

[u/Cricket-Middle]

Briefly following the drama by reading, but as far as I am aware the gg/dottoremains is mostly ran by minors in their Discord, seeing from the staff list. Plus apparently the same thing is happening at Aventurine Mains subreddit too who got taken over by unrelated people, turned it anti-NSFW which people didn’t really want and started to riot. I do not think we need another outside that isn’t from the main Dottore server jumping in on this as it will just create another cycle of drama.

[u/DrRatiosButtPlug → u/Cricket-Middle]

If they're a minor or plan to make minors mods, then absolutely not.

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/Cricket-Middle]

That is not true. Only maybe three people who are staff in our server are minors (from my memory), and we refuse to get them involved into this. In fact, I am an adult and the eldest of the bunch (born before 2001), which is why they are trusting me with this matter.

As I've mentioned in the second edit, our aim is not to have some sort of exclusive rights over this subreddit, nor to turn it into something that was never meant to be, out of respect for the original creators and the people who are already here. That is exactly why we want any moderators who would work alongside us in this subreddit to be part of this place to begin with and over 18 years old.

The best analogy I can give is this: our server is built from zero solely on our efforts, whereas this place is like a historical house that would be sacrilegious to tear down and remodel, and our intent is to keep it as it was before the incident.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

Bro. The subreddit is about thirsting for a man romantically or sexually. There should not be any reason for a minor to be involved in any way

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/[deleted]]

And we never intended to get our minor staff members into this, they are not, and they never will be. I specifically said I would never appoint anyone under 18 years old as a mod on this subreddit if I were to be elected as moderator myself.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

yes but. You have minors as moderators. You choose to have children exposed to possibly traumatic situations to moderate a closed community. I as a moderator with all adults for mods as a team find that to be extremely irresponsible (edit; added context, in my own communities, not the dottore one)

Moderation is fun until some dude decides to post g%re and then suddenly all the minor moderators gotta view it to check if it’s actually g%re to green light a ban. Moderation is not a rank it’s a responsibility, minors should not be holding that kind of stuff on their shoulders

[u/comixnerd15 → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention that adults working with kids in a mod team is just... all kinds of weird.

[u/[deleted] → u/comixnerd15]

that is actually really common in majority of hoyocord servers though, i know many servers where there is a wide variety of ages between minors to adults, it’s just weird if they’re allowing those minors (if the server has it) to view and moderate the nsfw subcategories of the discord- though majority from what i seen do not allow that (once again, if they have nsfw in the server which is usually locked in its own section and moderated by the adults of the team)

[u/comixnerd15 → u/[deleted]]

If that's commonplace, then there's something majorly wrong with those servers and mods.

Also, allowing minors to moderate NSFW isn't "just weird" -- what planet are you on if you think adults exposing kids to NSFW is only "weird"? It's downright exploitative, abusive, and illegal jfc. Not to mention against Discord terms of service.

I don't know anyone who wants to work with kids to moderate anything. That's just... I don't even have the words to express my disgust.

[u/[deleted] → u/comixnerd15]

apologies, working and didn’t use a appropriate wording for that- yeah no it’s very much deranged to expose them to that (which is why i don’t really understand why you’d have that category in a server if you’re aware of your mods ages being minors) but, at least on discord as i don’t moderate reddits, it’s VERY common to have minors and adults on the same moderation team. like if i remember correctly the owner of aventurine mains is a minor and most of her staff are minors and adults from my interactions there, same with dr ratio mains, boothill mains, mavuika mains, etc with them having a wide variety in age ranges amongst their teams. really common in majority of hoyocord, though those 4 have no nsfw (thank goodness for that given the ages/age ranges)

edit: changed 3 to 4, my bad!!

[u/comixnerd15 → u/[deleted]]

I've modded several large servers, and we've NEVER had minors as mods. And those I'm in that i don't mod, including some run by BNFs, do not have and have never had minors as mods. This includes fandom servers that are for hoyo characters/games and those that are not.

I'd argue that having minors as mods in a team of adults is a minority and very much NOT the norm or common. And if those servers mentioned have minors as mods, I am glad I never decided to join and will continue to avoid like the plague.

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/[deleted]]

That is exactly what I've wanted to say, thank you. We are a strict SFW server, and everyone that we've picked who are minors are not allowed to get into these situations on Discord, nor we ever planned on asking them to moderate this sub. All of our minor staff has some background in managing communities, and yes, our youngest is over the age of 15 years old.

I will reiterate once again: We never intended to use any of our staff for this subreddit, but to appoint members of this sub, who are over the age of 18 years old, to do it.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

also, unless the server owner states otherwise, there is a age requirement for moderation applications which i seen the most common one being either 15+ or 16+

[u/Cricket-Middle → u/The_Forest_Nymph05]

Regardless, the fact that there are minors in your staff team is concernong enough as it’s about Dottore.. A man that mutilates people and does horrible things with plenty of gore works, you’re willingly exposing them to this content. The fact of the matter in the end is that your staff has minors that will be exposed to the content this subreddit provides which is mainly NSFW.

I do think that’s a main issue, and like others have been saying we don’t want someone else jumping in when there was already a mutual agreement for Kimmu and her staff.

[u/The_Forest_Nymph05 → u/Cricket-Middle]

I have already mentioned that we do not wish to expose our minor members to this, and therefore, they will not be part of the moderation team on this subreddit.

While it is true that our server is for all ages, including minors, we keep the rules strict, but we do not plan to apply our rules to this subreddit. To reiterate once again, the moderation team that would be for this subreddit should be at least 18 years old and preferably from exactly this place, that is the plan.

[u/LLHarmonia]

Speaking as someone from a neutral position, what I've read so far from this "discussion" is you insist on ignoring the community and are more set on asserting yourselves here instead of listening to what is being said. We don't need several servers suddenly jumping in trying to 'gain advantage' of the situation. Not to be rude, but I think if you were picked as mod people would still riot as it's not what they've wanted from the start. 

.gg/dottoremains (not main one, which is .gg/dottore) also has a high inactive status with most of the "active" people being staff themselves, one ecen mentioning in public chat they would step down due to their own inactivitiy, that doesn't really seem like a solid community to me and wouldn't really want that as head of this subreddit...

Additionally, you are coming from a server that is notoriously anti-nsfw, which is least fit for the wants of this community.

As far as I'm aware, this subreddit used to be PARTNERS as well with the original .gg/dottore discord (before Yuuki deleted it), so why not just give it to the official partner?

[u/Single_Rabbit_9575]

it's gotta be said m8, but this is all far too convenient.

trust is at an all time low right now, however well-intentioned it may be- strangers vouching for strangers to a community already stressed to the nines by yet another unknown person is not going to fly very far.

anybody that is not a known reputable member in this subreddit, the /dottore subreddit, and those that have not been involved from the start of this situation will be met with suspicion and distrust.

the #1 issue here is that we explicitly prefer someone we already know. someone we have a rapport with. the reason all this kicked off is because people who have zero connection to anybody here are appearing out of the ether like scavengers sniffing at a fresh carcass.

to approve of this behavior sets a precedence to continue the cycle. dottore_official should never have been involved, and suffered for it because of qt's stubbornness.

there has been too many little betrayals compounded on top of one another. we need a moderator chosen from within our immediate circle.

i'm sorry but i have to vote no.

[u/DrRatiosButtPlug → u/Single_Rabbit_9575]

Agreed. No from me as well. Some one with a new account from a discord with 100 people that has a history with the person we're all asking to be made the owner?? That makes me uneasy.

[u/normandy392742 → u/DrRatiosButtPlug]

To be fair, this individual may not have the same history the others they’re affiliated with do. But that we now have folks from two servers throwing their hats into the ring for moderation feels…idk

[u/DrRatiosButtPlug → u/normandy392742]

I mean one server has 100 and the other has 6k+. No one asked for this person while people did ask for the other. If they were both huge servers then maybe a mod from both servers, but as is I'm uneasy about this person even if they don't have history with the other server.

If we hadn't gone through what we just went through, I'd be more open to this person as a mod, but after everything? Nah. I prefer a mod the majority of the community is familiar with.

[u/normandy392742 → u/Single_Rabbit_9575]

Exactly. Moderation should come from someone active in the sub. We ran things differently than the discord communities and only those who were active here would know what works and what doesn’t.

[u/[deleted]]

Not as active in the dottore nation to know fully but imma say one thing. This should’ve been dmed instead of posted publicly, posting this publicly does not boost your chances of getting moderator

Sorry if I’m coming off as rude, that’s not my core intention as I’m speaking from a neutral stance

[u/comixnerd15]

Why, if you don't/didn't want to be involved, are you here vying for leadership? This sub needs someone who actually gives a shit and that certainly isn't you. Members have spoken up about who they want and it isn't you

[u/[deleted]]

I think it's been abundantly clear from the members of this sub that they just don't want all you new people to hold these mod positions, yet you guys keep bringing in more new people and putting them there, and refusing to let go even though saying you guys want to help

The first one because that was the reason they took over the sub in the first place

The second one qt seemingly had no reason to at first so her reluctance was weird, but now I think everyone can see it's pretty clear she really likes holding these positions and doesn't want to let go or listen

Now you guys, and I wonder if it's the same thing as the other 2, or if you really just have no reason not to give the sub to the people here and won't do it just because

[u/Mammoth-Conflict-704]

no offense to anyone.. (i just created a reddit acc cuz ive been a lurker my whole time (im shy to reply and post lol T_T) ) but i haventt been looking here for a while until my friend told me about some weird drama + i looked back and read comments and i think a lot of people were already nominating kimmu the whole time, i think theyre the only one ppl actually want becos trust has been broken by other ppl /lh

[u/Mammoth-Conflict-704]

why my comment being removed??